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George Zimmerman (killer of unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin) found not guilty

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So following someone represents a threat to you? Seeing where a suspicious person goes is dangerous?

If this happened to your family and you knew the outcome could have been different because a person followed suspicious people, you would be fine?

Yes. It could be considered a threat. Here's an anecdote from one of my personal experiences:

A few years back, I had an argument with my wife, and it got pretty heated, so I decided to go for a walk. It was around 8 or 8:30 in the evening.

My walk took me to the Santa Monica pier, and for those unfamiliar with the area, there are houses lined up along the shore (a good distance from the ocean, but there is a walkway there).

So, I'm walking along the sidewalk towards that area (it basically looks like a "T" junction, I was walking to the top part of the "T", where I'd be parallel to the ocean), when I spot a guy leaning against a building. He's staring at me something fierce, so I do what I always do when someone makes eye contact with me, and I give a slight nod of my head in acknowledgement. I reach the end of the "T" junction, and glance with my peripheral vision and see the guy following behind me. I didn't think much of it, however. I round the corner and am now walking parallel to the beach, with the houses to my right.

I started feeling a little strange, so I glanced over my shoulder, and there was the guy, standing at the start of the junction, watching me. I keep walking, and it's darker than I thought it'd be along this street. Usually there's people milling about, being on the beach and all, but that night, it was fucking dead. Nobody there. After walking further, I look back behind me again, and the same guy is walking towards me, with a brisk pace.

I didn't turn and run, but I walked as fast as I could to the next "T" junction and turned back onto the main street, where, thankfully, more people and open stores were available.

I personally felt uncomfortable and threatened by the actions of that guy, even though, it's very, very possible, that he just happened to want to go that direction at the same time I did.

His previous behavior (the hostile looking stare that he didn't break), and him following behind me led me to believe that, if he caught up with me, he may hurt me. I was, physically, preparing myself to throw down if I had to.

I don't think it was unreasonable for Trayvon to be afraid of Zimmerman following him. And I think the dismissal of someone being uncomfortable or threatened because someone is following them is a little absurd.

Now, if Trayvon was Katrina Martin, and she was on the phone with her friend and saying that a strange man in a car was following her, then following her on foot, and she subsequently ended up shot dead by that very same guy, people would be calling for justice even more fervently. Why shouldn't a guy, and most importantly, a teenage boy, be afraid or uncomfortable in the same situation?

I may be a man, but I'm not afraid to admit when I'm scared shitless or uncomfortable. Being followed by someone in a vehicle is suspicious. When that person exits their vehicle and continues to follow you? That's hostile. At least in my opinion.
 
Sorry if I am nooby but is the purpose of cross examination is to discredit the witness' account or to discredit the witness?
Either or both. Of course that's not the only purpose of a cross examination. You can also pull out more details from a witness to frame the story in a different light without either discrediting the witness' account or them in general.
 
I'm not sure if that "star witness" should have been called by the prosecution. She seemed stone or something, and mumbled incoherently. I'm not following the case that closely but I don't think her testimony will be worth much to the jury.
 
Hi guys! Let's try to stay reasonably on topic, please. Note that while discussion of Trayvon Martin's state of mind and possible status as a racist might be relevant and on topic, giant derails into double standards and reverse racism and whatnot are probably not. Nor is whining about past bans under your previous account.
 
I'm not sure if that "star witness" should have been called by the prosecution. She seemed stone or something, and mumbled incoherently. I'm not following the case that closely but I don't think her testimony will be worth much to the jury.

I didn't see it, but was listening live to her testimony. She didn't seem coherent at all.
 
In conclusion, urban culture clearly implicates Trayvon as a bastard gangbanger that deserved no less than fifteen bullets in his back.

The defense rests.



^ The course this trial has taken over the last 48 hours
 
In conclusion, urban culture clearly implicates Trayvon as a bastard gangbanger that deserved no less than fifteen bullets in his back.

The defense rests.



^ The course this trial has taken over the last 48 hours

The prosecution has no one to blame but themselves for their rather weak showing.
 
1) TM's cracker comment has no bearing on the case and shouldn't.
2) Not sure anyone here is arguing that.
3) Being offended by generalized racial terms for non-minorities does not make someone racist.



As Cyan said, it's a side-topic that needn't derail the thread.
 
1) TM's cracker comment has no bearing on the case and shouldn't.
2) Not sure anyone here is arguing that.
3) Being offended by generalized racial terms for non-minorities does not make someone racist.



As Cyan said, it's a side-topic that needn't derail the thread.

Thank you. Last couple of pages were sad.. Keep pushing those fat kids.
 
I really hope they don't do a race-based poll on this case. I could just imagine it being split along racial lines OJ style.
 
1) TM's cracker comment has no bearing on the case and shouldn't.
2) Not sure anyone here is arguing that.
3) Being offended by generalized racial terms for non-minorities does not make someone racist.



As Cyan said, it's a side-topic that needn't derail the thread.


1) I agree
2) People were arguing that
3) Nobody said this

But I guess it's time to move on.
 
The prosecution has no one to blame but themselves for their rather weak showing.

Oh come on. The important parts of the woman's testimony are that she heard from Trayvon that he knew he was being followed and was walking away from George (this matches George's account, too. So both the defendant and the victim had a mutual understanding that the defendant was pursuing the victim, who was fleeing), and that from what she heard, George caught up to Trayvon, and they were on some wet grass at this point. Then, a fight broke out, and she heard Trayvon say "get off."

Those are the important parts of her testimony. whether she attended trayvon's wake, her attitude, her intelligence, the slang used by her and Trayvon, none of these things matter. The important takeaway is that Trayvon tried to run, failed, and a fight broke out on wet grass, and she heard Trayvon say "get off"

The showing is only "weak" if you get caught up on irrelevant details and character assassinations. None of her actual testimony was discredited.
 
As I understand it they both were but someone said TM had a baby voice, I wonder if they have any messages or recordings of both their voices to confirm? Probably not very accurate so they wouldn't play those.

Eh, the baby voice was probably Trayvon sweet talking her. If the FBI analysis couldn't tell who was screaming, I doubt we can.
 
No one else finds it odd that the witness says she heard one person saying something along the lines of, "Take my gun?" That sounds like someone trying to keep from getting their ass beaten any further.
 
No one else finds it odd that the witness says she heard one person saying something along the lines of, "Take my gun?" That sounds like someone trying to keep from getting their ass beaten any further.

I think that was after the police arrived, ZM telling the cop "I have a gun, take my gun."
 
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