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[Zoe]

Did she really say the person on the bottom was face down? ABC's Twitter says both.

It complicates things a little if he was face down when she saw Zimmerman on top.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Did she really say the person on the bottom was face down? ABC's Twitter says both.

It complicates things a little if he was face down when she saw Zimmerman on top.

Guy on top shoots guy on the bottom who rolls over (after the guy on top gets off) and then dies face down. That's complicated?

 

[soundscream]

Did she really say the person on the bottom was face down? ABC's Twitter says both.

It complicates things a little if he was face down when she saw Zimmerman on top.

I think she said she couldn't tell if they were face down.

 

[Lonestar]

Did she really say the person on the bottom was face down? ABC's Twitter says both.

It complicates things a little if he was face down when she saw Zimmerman on top.

That's what I've heard, person on bottom was face down.

So...what does that mean?

If all this was after the gunshot, does it mean that GZ was underneath when he shot, and had slid out by the time people showed up, or did GZ shoot TM in the back while on top of him. What did the ballistics say about entry/exit wounds?

Guy on top shoots guy on the bottom who rolls over (after the guy on top gets off) and then dies face down. That's complicated?

or this

 

[Zep]

Yes, please stand up.

Mmmmhmm.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Awww yeah!

 

[Zoe]

Guy on top shoots guy on the bottom who rolls over (after the guy on top gets off) and then dies face down. That's complicated?

That's what I've heard, person on bottom was face down.

So...what does that mean?

If all this was after the gunshot, does it mean that GZ was underneath when he shot, and had slid out by the time people showed up, or did GZ shoot TM in the back while on top of him. What did the ballistics say about entry/exit wounds?

The entry wound was in the front.

The defense will probably argue that he was checking on him after the fact.

 

[R3TRO]

Oooh Wee

 

[Dude Abides]

Nice sleeveless dress in court. Florida casual.

Good point. I'm guessing that the instructions they'll be given are set, but maybe that's not the case. Anyway, would rather not speculate and sounds like this discussion has happened before.

edit: Dude Abides dropping actual knowledge in these parts. I'm a fan.

Thanks!

Is it a calculated risk they might only take if they sense things are going well for them? It seems like it would be taking a hell of a chance to not have his version of events in there.

I agree. Then it would just be based on circumstantial evidence. We now have two witnesses saying that the guy on top got up after the struggle ended.

Cool, thanks.

Welcome.

 

[Sayter]

I like where this cross examination is going.

 

[soundscream]

Yes, please stand up.

Mmmmhmm.

We are horrible

 

[Sushigod7]

I'm having trouble concentrating on her testimony.....

Thats right stand up.

 

[TheLight]

She finnnnnneee????

 

[Lonestar]

So, guess they're going to try to see how much time between shot and when she sees the 2 people.

 

[Gorillaz]

damn she's fine....I like how the guy was closely following behind her lol

run again please

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Something finally got me to check the trial live.

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

He just wanted her to show the lean so he could check her ass out. Despicable.

... Thank you Defense.

 

[soundscream]

LOL hes just checking her out

 

[AndyD]

We are horrible

Indeed.

I do see the goal. I guess they are trying to figure the timing between shot and "look" to see if they could have switched positions or rolled over or whatnot.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Someone from the live chat knows what's up. lol

Defense: "Dat Ass!"

 

[soundscream]

Indeed.

I do see the goal. I guess they are trying to figure the timing between shot and "look" to see if they could have switched positions or rolled over or whatnot.

What are the odds he ask her to help him demonstrate the two figures on the ground.

 

[Sayter]

Defense: Would you please show us how you would straddle som.....uuuhhhh.....how the person would straddle someone?

 

[B-Dubs]

What are the odds he ask her to help him demonstrate the two figures on the ground.

You know he's considering it...

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

What are the odds he ask her to help him demonstrate the two figures on the ground.

Oh god. I imagine it just starting with him saying "Can you get on your knees and demonstrate the touching for me?"

 

[Mr. Patch]

Someone from the live chat knows what's up. lol

Defense: "Dat Ass!"

"Treat me like a pirate, and gimme dat booty"

 

[Sushigod7]

Anyone else think her "friend" Mary was her lover? Imagine that folks

 

[soundscream]

Someone from the live chat knows what's up. lol

Defense: "Dat Ass!"

His eyes were focused like a lazer!

 

[CrimsonCommie]

Oh god. I imagine it just starting with him saying "Can you get on your knees and demonstrate the touching for me?"

Lol! This shouldn't be so funny.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Someone from the live chat knows what's up. lol

Defense: "Dat Ass!"

Jury full of women. That wont play off that well if it actually came off like that in the court. lol

 

[Dude Abides]

Jury full of women. That wont play off that well if it actually came off like that in the court. lol

Supposedly women tend to dislike other women who are attractive. I wonder if that will make them tend to disbelieve her.

 

[Figboy79]

Why is it racist? Serious question. I've never understood why "Cracker" should be offensive to me.

Truthfully, Trayvon probably didn't either, and just heard it from his family or friends.

I never knew what it meant either. Same as "honky." I never got what either meant until I was older, and had one of my older relatives (who grew up in the 40's and 50's), explain to me that "cracker" was a reference to the whip cracking slave owners of back in the day.

It's definitely an offensive term for white people, but I don't think many people, including a 17 year old boy, knows why or the significance of it.

 

[soundscream]

Jury full of women. That wont play off that well if it actually came off like that in the court. lol

Recommended that she take off her high heels and do it barefoot.

 

[R3TRO]

"Treat me like a pirate, and gimme dat booty"

 

[Lonestar]

is the attorney about to do the macarena?

 

[Dude Abides]

Interesting, she's saying Zimmerman had his hand on his forehead, like someone thinking "oh shit what have I done" might, rather than on the back of his head where the cuts were.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Wait, if Zimmerman had his hand on the back of his head and his head was bleeding (from allegedly being beaten into the ground), why haven't we seen any pictures of blood on his hands?

 

[Dude Abides]

Wait, if Zimmerman had his hand on the back of his head and his head was bleeding (from allegedly being beaten into the ground), why haven't we seen any pictures of blood on his hands?

The way the defense attorney was standing his left hand was on his forehead near the temple. I may have missed something though.

 

[methane47]

Wait, if Zimmerman had his hand on the back of his head and his head was bleeding (from allegedly being beaten into the ground), why haven't we seen any pictures of blood on his hands?

I believe if the police did their job properly that night, there would be no international spectacle.

 

[DragonSworne]

Interesting, she's saying Zimmerman had his hand on his forehead, like someone thinking "oh shit what have I done" might, rather than on the back of his head where the cuts were.

I can't until a witness comes and says they saw Zimmerman inflict the wounds on himself.

 

[soundscream]

She was a good witness for the prosecution, I wonder if the use of a translator made it more difficult for the defense to go after her more.

 

[mre]

A witness is currently hiking for 6 weeks in the New Mexico desert so the prosecution wants to use his deposition testimony? Is that what they just said?

 

[Zep]

Quick question, when were the photos of GZ taken with him all bloodied? Was it at the crime scene?

 

[Particle Physicist]

Supposedly women tend to dislike other women who are attractive. I wonder if that will make them tend to disbelieve her.

Eh, I'm talking about a sleazy lawyer acting sleazy. Hate to say this but people don't really like lawyers. Having sat on a jury a few times, the way a lawyer acts in court really does affect the jury, for better or worse.

 

[Tenacious-V]

I don't have twitter but someone said Lauer's twitter has been pulled?

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

She was a good witness for the prosecution, I wonder if the use of a translator made it more difficult for the defense to go after her more.

It would be awesome if they used the translator as a means to interrupt them, cut into their train of thought.

 

[Sushigod7]

lol what is this demonstration I was away for awhile, hahaha

 

[JonnyBrad]

Quick question, when were the photos of GZ taken with him all bloodied? Was it at the crime scene?

Yes taken by a police officer to show Lauer to see if she could identify him. As she didn't want the shooter to see her.

 

[soundscream]

lol what is this demonstration I was away for awhile, hahaha

I was waiting for him to "accidentally" drop his pen for her to pick up

 

[Lonestar]

A witness is currently hiking for 6 weeks in the New Mexico desert so the prosecution wants to use his deposition testimony? Is that what they just said?

basically, yeah. That he could be available to Skype.

 

[KHarvey16]

I agree. Then it would just be based on circumstantial evidence. We now have two witnesses saying that the guy on top got up after the struggle ended.

Regarding the witnesses, I believe Zimmerman made the statement to police that after shooting Martin he ended up pushing him off of him and getting on top to restrain him. Did the witnesses see the change of positions or did the person on top remain there during the altercation?