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[TheChits]

Skullgirls looks fantastic

 

[Deps]

They didn't enforce the ban at FR, most players still used them.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

For the sake of the conversation. FR is usually a pretty big Tekken event right? How come there was no uproar from the Tekken community over them banning DS3?

FR permits the battery mod, and there have been one or two modders on hand to do them in recent years.

There's also the question of whether it's actually enforced at all or not, which I wouldn't know.

 

[scytheavatar]

People press pause accidentally too. We should ban all controllers that have a pause button for EVO. It's a super dumb rule.

A player hitting the pause accidentally is an easy issue to resolve; the player is obviously at fault here and it's up to his opponent to decide whether he should take the game or just let it rock. The match can continue irregardless of his decision, and the lesson can be learned that you should never hit the pause button accidentally.

When some random nobody interrupts a match between 2 players due to controller sync it becomes a much harder issue to resolve. That guy should be banned from tourneys forever for what he has done, but how are you even going to be able to hunt him down?

 

[Infinite]

Skullgirls looks fantastic

Indeed. Can't wait to play as Annie Squiggly

 

[SloaneRisette]

So many long action scenes with explosions everywhere. That hasn't been interesting to me for a long time. The only good action scenes were Hulk's. Loki was a lame villain. Various plot holes...not that the film's target audience cares about plot.

You've redeemed yourself with that comment, Karst.

 

[enzo_gt]

Getting closer and closer to TACs being banned altogether.

This glitch doesn't change shit, especially the circumstances that permit it.

 

[kick51]

I'm not even going to EVO so it doesn't affect me personally. But it does affect games that have large fanbases using DS3's.

and marvel players have to play on a system that isn't tournament standard for the game and can't even run the game perfectly, oh well

 

[Sayah]

and those fanbases (most of them) already adjusted. MK community adjusted in their FIRST year.

Marvel and Anime has adjusted as well.(though a good portion of them if not the majority are stick users).

It's about ease/comfort/convenience. Certain games, like Tekken, are better played on pad for various people. Why would I switch to stick then? Why use a DS2 as my main control method every time I play FG's at home/locals just to adjust the dpad to my liking?

For the sake of the conversation. FR is usually a pretty big Tekken event right? How come there was no uproar from the Tekken community over them banning DS3?

Maybe there was.

I'm only complaining about it now because I just found out about it.

 

[Busaiku]

So why wasn't this an issue for Tekken 6 in 2010/2011?

 

[Infinite]

and marvel players have to play on a system that isn't tournament standard for the game and can't even run the game perfectly, oh well

I mean it's his choice to not go to Evo and to feel the way he feels on their decision on DS3s. Rather silly to keep harping on this

 

[A Pretty Panda]

and marvel players have to play on a system that isn't tournament standard for the game and can't even run the game perfectly, oh well

That's pretty much every game there. Except Smash, I guess.

Imagine if PSABR was put in last minute instead of Injustice.

 

[Professor Beef]

That's pretty much every game there. Except Smash, I guess.

Imagine if PSABR was put in last minute instead of Injustice.

Mortal Kombat and PSAll-Stars instead of Injustuce...people would flip their shit.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Also, if you know about Loki then you would understand his REAL goal with the Avengers storyling. He is the god of mischief after all. SO let us look with what Loki did. He got THanos to release him. Either the Avengers defeated him or he won and got a planet.

Think about it. He set up a win win condition for himself.

 

[SolarPowered]

So many long action scenes with explosions everywhere. That hasn't been interesting to me for a long time. The only good action scenes were Hulk's. Loki was a lame villain. Various plot holes...not that the film's target audience cares about plot.

Loki was definitely kinda boring. If they ever use Loki again it has to be tied more strongly to stuff in Asgard imo. But I enjoyed the action scenes outside of Hawkeye and Natasha duking it out. They are too normal for my taste.

Hulk stole the show in the superhero department. I gotta say my favorite "normy" ends in a tie between Stark and Banner. Natasha being so skittish towards Banner was great, though. It felt like she was the only one who really got how fucking scary Hulk is.

 

[Sayah]

And it would be their fault for not bothering to read the rules...for the past few years.

Deps mentioned this. But Aris also said that the rule wasn't as strictly enforced during the past few EVO's.

Maybe there's an uproar now because the rule is being pushed more. I don't know the details.

 

[kick51]

I mean it's his choice to not go to Evo and to feel the way he feels on their decision on DS3s. Rather silly to keep harping on this

and I "feel" like asking why, so I will, thanks.

 

[Infinite]

and I "feel" like asking why, so I will, thanks.

There wasn't a question in the sentence I question and I'm not stopping you from doing anything. Maybe you stop doing that with him

 

[SolarKnight]

...Going somewhat off topic from the current conversation, does anyone know how much does it cost to mod your stick into a multi-console one? I really don't want to have to rely on my adapter tbh, so if I could do that before my EVO matches it'd be great.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

...Going somewhat off topic from the current conversation, does anyone know how much does it cost to mod your stick into a multi-console one? I really don't want to have to rely on my adapter tbh, so if I could do that before my EVO matches it'd be great.

Most modders charge roughly $80 for a dual mod. $100 if you want legacy support (PS2 and other older non-USB consoles). Not sure how much you'd be looking at to do it yourself.

If you're going to EVO and want it done there, look up the modders who will be set-up there and get in touch with them now.

 

[Sayah]

A player hitting the pause accidentally is an easy issue to resolve; the player is obviously at fault here and it's up to his opponent to decide whether he should take the game or just let it rock. The match can continue irregardless of his decision, and the lesson can be learned that you should never hit the pause button accidentally.

When some random nobody interrupts a match between 2 players due to controller sync it becomes a much harder issue to resolve. That guy should be banned from tourneys forever for what he has done, but how are you even going to be able to hunt him down?

Then they should just find a better solution instead of banning.
Maintain a certain amount of distance between the PS3 console being used and the seating/spectating area so the wireless signals do not reach even if someone from the outside ends up pressing the PS button. Put red tape around the area and make sure that only the two players playing the match are in that wireless range when the match begins and ends and others from the outside cannot interfere. Do something else. I don't know. There are a dozen different things that they can experiment with to resolve the issue. There are better solutions than banning an entire control scheme that many people rely on.

 

[gutabo]

Benq monitors actually have a few frames less lag than the Asus monitors. They're just not the standard because they're costlier.

You mean a few milliseconds, a frame is ~16.6 milliseconds. And yes they are more expensive.

 

[Infinite]

Most modders charge roughly $80 for a dual mod. $100 if you want legacy support (PS2 and other older non-USB consoles). Not sure how much you'd be looking at to do it yourself.

If you're going to EVO and want it done there, look up the modders who will be set-up there and get in touch with them now.

I tried modding myself but I only ended paying for the new PCB since my college lets my use the soldering tools, wires, etc. PCB was about 50 dollars

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Then they should just find a better solution instead of banning.
Maintain a certain amount of distance between the PS3 console being used and the seating/spectating area so the wireless signals do not reach even if someone from the outside ends up pressing the PS button. Put red tape around the area and make sure that only the two players playing the match are in that wireless range when the match begins and ends and others from the outside cannot interfere. Do something else. I don't know. There are a dozen different things that they can experiment with to resolve the issue. There are better solutions than banning an entire control scheme that many people rely on.

I mean, I'm not trying to harp on you or anything, but let's walk through this.

- First, what exactly is the range at which the wireless signal no longer works at all? I have no idea.
- Second, how are you going to manage this in pools, where everybody in the pool is going to be, and pretty much has to be, in very close proximity to the stations until they're eliminated from the tournament?

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Come on Sayah.

 

[Ragingnight]

I mean, I'm not trying to harp on you or anything, but let's walk through this.

- First, what exactly is the range at which the wireless signal no longer works at all? I have no idea.
- Second, how are you going to manage this in pools, where everybody in the pool is going to be, and pretty much has to be, in very close proximity to the stations until they're eliminated from the tournament?

its about 30-40 feet. Good luck enforcing that

 

[SolarKnight]

Most modders charge roughly $80 for a dual mod. $100 if you want legacy support (PS2 and other older non-USB consoles). Not sure how much you'd be looking at to do it yourself.

If you're going to EVO and want it done there, look up the modders who will be set-up there and get in touch with them now.

Hmm, where could I look that up? Is it absolutely necessary to contact them before the event?

Looking at the Madcatz store, the SFXTK and SCV sticks are at a similar price too. Maybe I should just buy one if possible? I mean, I plan to buy a PS3 when I get there anyways so it's not like it'd be an expense made for EVO only. Decisions...

 

[Professor Beef]

A quick Google search says that the wireless range on Sixaxis/DS3 controllers is somewhere between 25-32 feet.

Good luck enforcing that. :lol

EDIT: Ragingnight you dirty thief

 

[BillyBones]

It's about ease/comfort/convenience. Certain games, like Tekken, are better played on pad for various people. Why would I switch to stick then? Why use a DS2 as my main control method every time I play FG's at home/locals just to adjust the dpad to my liking?

Blame Sony. They are the ones who designed the DS3 to work in such a way that it could ruin grand finals.

Fun fact: every generation of dual shock gets worse for fighting game purposes.

DS1 = so far the best pad Sony has made for FGs
DS2 = added pressure sensitive buttons because who wants responsiveness?
DS3 = only device I can think of that allows one person's forgetfulness to ruin a whole tournament.

It sucks that they have to ban them but they have no choice. Remember that year that Kor ruined Grand finals by turning on his controller in the same room? They tried everything to make sure that didn't happen up to and including having "DS3 parties" the night before the tournament where everyone got together and made sure their controllers were taken care of. It STILL happened. So, no choice: they are banned.

You aren't alone. Wolfkrone plays on a Dual Shock and has to deal with converters at every tournament he attends.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Hmm, where could I look that up? Is it absolutely necessary to contact them before the event?

Ask around in SRK Tech Talk. I can vouch for Gummo and Duckie; they do good work. And if they're not going to be there, they or somebody else could probably point you in the direction of someone who will.

You should get in touch with someone now if you want a mod because they may be backed up with too much work if you try and arrange it during the event.

 

[Sayah]

I mean, I'm not trying to harp on you or anything, but let's walk through this.

- First, what exactly is the range at which the wireless signal no longer works at all? I have no idea.

- Second, how are you going to manage this in pools, where everybody in the pool is going to be, and pretty much has to be, in very close proximity to the stations until they're eliminated from the tournament?

I must have skimmed over that fact. Yeah, that wasn't a very good proposed solution at all. I do need sleep.

Blame Sony. They are the ones who designed the DS3 to work in such a way that it could ruin grand finals.

Fun fact: every generation of dual shock gets worse for fighting game purposes.

DS1 = so far the best pad Sony has made for FGs
DS2 = added pressure sensitive buttons because who wants responsiveness?
DS3 = only device I can think of that allows one person's forgetfulness to ruin a whole tournament.

It sucks that they have to ban them but they have no choice. Remember that year that Kor ruined Grand finals by turning on his controller in the same room? They tried everything to make sure that didn't happen up to and including having "DS3 parties" the night before the tournament where everyone got together and made sure their controllers were taken care of. It STILL happened. So, no choice: they are banned.

You aren't alone. Wolfkrone plays on a Dual Shock and has to deal with converters at every tournament he attends.

Is there any information on if DS4 is similar in that regard to the DS3?

 

[alstein]

There really is no good solution other than banning DS3's.

That said, it's super-shitty for the Tekken comm, and I understand why they're raging/boycotting over this.


I don't think there's much overlap between the 2D and 3D comms, so I think separate events might work.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

3D Fighting Games Weekly |

 

[Sayah]

There really is no good solution other than banning DS3's.

That said, it's super-shitty for the Tekken comm, and I understand why they're raging/boycotting over this.


I don't think there's much overlap between the 2D and 3D comms, so I think separate events might work.

Then the next gen is beginning and all I can say is PS4 better have a mode that can be turned on where it desyncs all disconnected controllers.

 

[Karsticles]

I must have skimmed over that fact. Yeah, that wasn't a very good proposed solution at all. I do need sleep.

Why do you always take on unwinnable arguments when you are tired, Sayah?

Edit: stupid phone's autocorrect.

 

[Sayah]

Why do you always take on unwinnable arguments when you are tired, Satan?

hahahahaha.

It was still good I had the argument. Only way to learn.

I do still find it dumb and annoying and would never myself go to a tournament that bans them because that's the only control scheme I use. But I've also realized why they are banned. Because, yes, there really is no other solution unless it was a smaller tourney and only a few PS3's were being used.

At the end of the day, there is still A LOT being sacrificed (including match integrity I would say imo) when players don't have access to what they play best with.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

It just sucks for pad warriors in general. The DS3 is a logistical hazard, Microsoft couldn't make a d-pad to save their lives, and the stuff that Madcatz and PDP make seems to fall apart if you look at it funny.

 

[gutabo]

At the end of the day, there is still A LOT being sacrificed (including match integrity I would say imo) when players don't have access to what they play best with.

And what about playing in a screen/monitor with input lag you're not used to and a console that has some form of lag you're not used to?

 

[Zissou]

It just sucks for pad warriors in general. The DS3 is a logistical hazard, Microsoft couldn't make a d-pad to save their lives, and the stuff that Madcatz and PDP make seems to fall apart if you look at it funny.

What about hori-made stuff?

 

[BillyBones]

It just sucks for pad warriors in general. The DS3 is a logistical hazard, Microsoft couldn't make a d-pad to save their lives, and the stuff that Madcatz and PDP make seems to fall apart if you look at it funny.

And that's why Saturn pads still go for $100.

 

[Sayah]

It just sucks for pad warriors in general. The DS3 is a logistical hazard, Microsoft couldn't make a d-pad to save their lives, and the stuff that Madcatz and PDP make seems to fall apart if you look at it funny.

I haven't tried the stuff from Madcatz. But yeah, FG people should be reach out to Sony to make sure it's resolved for PS4. I'm hoping to be more active in tournaments in the future sometime and that's not going to happen if DS banning becomes a trend.

And what about playing in a screen/monitor with input lag you're not used to and a console that has some form of lag you're not used to?

The input lag is there for both players and affects both players all the same.

But if I'm a DS3 user trying to learn to play with sticks and my opponent is already an experienced stick player, then only one person is at a disadvantage, not both.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

And that's why Saturn pads still go for $100.

Only the PS2 variants. I'm still kicking myself that I didn't stock up when I had the chance.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Speaking of Avengers

 

[gutabo]

The input lag is there for both players and affects both players all the same.

But what if your opponent is used to it(because he plays on that exact setup at home) and you're not?

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Hellpockets is commentating marvel at TRB right now.

 

[Sayah]

But what if your opponent is used to it(because he plays on that exact setup at home) and you're not?

The chances of that happening are not very likely. And from what I know, there are many different manufacturer's/brands of monitors being used (not all of them are the same).

Even if your opponent is used to input lag from a specific monitor, that scenario is not very comparable to not being comfortable with/used to an entire control scheme.

Experiencing a few mili-seconds of lag vs. not at all liking what you're using to control your character(s).

 

[BIGWORM]

Hellpockets is commentating marvel at TRB right now.

Dat H...

 

[Shouta]

It just sucks for pad warriors in general. The DS3 is a logistical hazard, Microsoft couldn't make a d-pad to save their lives, and the stuff that Madcatz and PDP make seems to fall apart if you look at it funny.

Pretty much. The MCZ pads are ok for Capcom games as they're tuned for them and the floating D-pad works for them because of shortcuts or whatever but for other games it's a nightmare. It has issues with other games like Tekken, KOF, or VF.

 

[scytheavatar]

Hori fightpads are still blatantly the only good fightpads ATM that doesn't involve modding Saturn pads, but people might not like the lack of analog sticks.

 

[gutabo]

The chances of that happening are not very likely. And from what I know, there are many different manufacturer's/brands of monitors being used (not all of them are the same).

That scenario is more common in small scenes with people that practice at the place where the tourneys are vs people that play at home. I'm not trying to get anywhere with this so I'll leave it there.

EDIT: But wait! you can't control the setup where you might play but you sure can control what you're playing with, right?