vas_a_morir
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So nothing? I didn't say it meant anything, but that was his question.
George Zimmerman (killer of unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin) found not guilty
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So nothing? I didn't say it meant anything, but that was his question.
I'm a neighborhood watch lead for our neighborhood and having our sign up means absolutely nothing to most people. I don't think anyone every noticed it. But the officer who helped set up our street gave the impression that it meant to potential criminals exactly what it sounds like. The neighborhood is watching out for each other. The officers will tell you if you see anything remotely suspicious to call in and they will check it out no matter how small the issue. For reference I live in Orange county Florida which borders Seminole county where this took place.
Dude Abides
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This witness can't testify as to why they put them up, since he didn't put it up. My only point is that West was reaching and it backfired, since the witness reminded the jury that the proper thing to do is call 911, not take matters into your own hands.
yeah he has been like that almost the whole time, he apparently doesn't know how to run a computer
OrangeYouGlad
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So the position of TM and what was said between him and the witness were off.
Zoe
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They didn't charge him with manslaughter. They charged him with murder.
Killing_Joke
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Plus the witness said GZ was calm and collected. In the video he made it seem like the fight was still going and needed some help (assumed TM wasn't dead), But the witness was afraid too.
mercenar1e
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the officer looks like a ninja turtle lol
soundscream
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Where is his neck, LOL
Dude Abides
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Is he wearing a bulletproof vest? What's that thing on his right shoulder and why is he wearing it on the stand?
vas_a_morir
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Well he sort of is he has his bullet proof vest on under there. lol
OrangeYouGlad
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It's connected to his radio. Possibly something to do with Florida and requirement to always have it on him?
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Guesstimate.....
Both words individually work just fine ffs..
Both words individually work just fine ffs..
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
I can't unsee it now. lol
The guy with the pink, floral tie is defense, IIRC.
Xdrive05
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That's how it looks in hindsight. At the time the cops didn't know Person B was unarmed. Or dead, for that matter.
BlackClouds
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To dehumanize Trayvon enough so it can be justified that he was killed.
Baraka in the White House
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Unfortunately this is too true. The only real way Zimmerman's defense works is if Martin is considered the assailant. Naturally, people are going to be more willing to believe so if Martin's image is that of a threatening deviant.
Manslaughter appears to be a lesser included offense in Second Degree Murder.
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/...ers/entireversion/onlinejurryinstructions.pdf
Page 129.
Future PhaZe
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this thing is over isnt it?
Yeah, but after a confirmed shooting, it's a stretch to say that someone lying face down on the ground is a threat....even if an RPG was next to him.
I'd assume that that's protocol though (to make no presumptions about the scene), but in my mind, I'm not going to delegate too much concern (threat-wise) to a motionless individual.
vas_a_morir
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It's probably protocol for the safety of the officers. Generally, their safety is paramount.
this thing is over isnt it?
Why do you say that? I don't think it is, one witness could turn the tables easily. Although at this point beyond a reasonable doubt could be hard to get from the jury. You never know though look at OJ most thought he was guilty as hell then came back with not guilty. This could easily look like Defense has it sowed up and they surprise everyone.
But was bleeding, was still "moist", very swollen, saying the picture of his face was accurate.
Yeah, I would probably say the same thing as the officer. I just thought it was slightly humorous.
faceless007
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EMT says on cross if a person were lying on his back there probably wouldn't be that much blood coming out of the nose...doesn't that help the prosecution implying Z was on top?
vas_a_morir
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No. Because he had been upright for quite a while by then.
If he had been on his back, though, at the scene, the EMT says it might explain the lack of blood on the scene.
I don't get the point of this, though. Unless he broke his own nose, it is what it is already.
And if he's swallowing his own blood would he be able to scream clearly?
CrimsonCommie
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That's what I was thinking.
Xdrive05
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That's what I was thinking too. Of course, as long as Zimmerman came to his feet before the blood clotted, then that would explain the blood under his nose and would still allow for him to have been on his back during the altercation.
Currently, at this time: Prosecution. At the time of your post I believe the defense.
vas_a_morir
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It might affect the pitch of his voice? I don't know.
faceless007
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Not sure what the EMT was supposed to do for the case. Didn't seem like she said anything really helpful to either side since was with Z only briefly.
Prosecution isn't doing a good job at all of telling a clear narrative of how the fight went.
Prosecution isn't doing a good job at all of telling a clear narrative of how the fight went.
Dude Abides
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They can't make people testify to shit they didn't see.
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