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[dakkumauji]

Really? Arcanist is going to be in Lominsa?
The starter class - and thus starter city - affects only the initial story, right? So I should choose which class based on which starter story I would want, and then just switch weapon to get the class I want?

If I remember, I could switch from the start in 1.0. I haven't really tried yet in ARR.

I believe so. I remember seeing the listing of the Arcanist Guild while looking through the map at Lominsa.

And yeah, only affects the initial story until you get the airship.

I think you have to join the guild first before you could be the class which means you'll probably need to get the airship before being able to switch to any class that doesn't start in the same city as you.

 

[Khrno]

any other fans of sandy care to chime in?

I went to San d'Oria and to Limsa because of their red flags, I love red, so that's about it. Lore-wise they are not very similar, Sandy was a kingdom state with elvaan royalty and knights, Limsa is a port-city filled with pirates, sellswords and all kind of races.

A plus of choosing both Sandy and Limsa was that there were no deserts around, reason I hated Bastok and Ul'dah.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Anyone think the early armor levels are a little weird? You can get a set at level 14, which you are stuck with till around 19(if you loot some) or 20 for the Iron armor.
The looted sets are slightly better than Iron. Right after that at level 23 you can get a much better set.

 

[Teknoman]

Pfft deserts are awesome. Stick a ruin or a random oasis in there, and im in heaven. Biased though, since I started in Bastok as well.

That being said, La noscea looks really cool. The color palette just gives the same feeling as going to the beach if that makes any sense.

 

[Ferr986]

IMO La Noscea is the better looking starter area, with Limsa being the ugliest city :/

 

[Khrno]

IMO La Noscea is the better looking starter area, with Limsa being the ugliest city :/

I don't particularly like any of the 3 cities' design to be honest, but I guess that's a flaw from the old development team. The redesign for ARR makes them nicer, at least livelier in my opinion.

What I'm really looking forward to is Ishgard, since it will be a city created (at least approved) by Yoshida, let's see what he can do with a completely new city.

 

[zeitgeist]

my favorite city in XI was san d'oria, and having started this game in gridania, i love how the shroud areas are like ronfaure forest, but i heard limsa is mostly like it.

any other fans of sandy care to chime in?

I started in Sandy and I picked Ul Dah because the buildings look similar in the city and I get the kind of Royalty vibe from the story mixed with economic stuff which is interesting.
The Desert is obviously nothing like Ronfaure though but it isn't gross like Gustaberg at least.

For Beta I started in Ul Dah and picked Gridania for GC but when the actual game starts I will start in Gridania to get Conjuror to 12 before moving to Ul Dah and picking it for my GC.

I wanted to do something different in Beta than I would in the real game so some stuff is still new.

EDIT: Also, La Noscea is really nice, kind of reminds me of Rolanberry fields.
Finally, is Ishgard basically going to be the Jeuno of FFXIV; A fourth city where everyone eventually congregates?

 

[astraycat]

Anyone know the exact requirements for making materia?

I had gotten far enough along in the story to talk to some goblin about it, but then there was another quest which required a disciple of the hand (except cooking) at 19, but ran out of wind crystals before I got there. Are there any other quests after that, or do you just need the ~20ish story quests done + a 19 crafting class?

 

[SoraanTribal]

Finally, is Ishgard basically going to be the Jeuno of FFXIV; A fourth city where everyone eventually congregates?

Assuming it has access to the features of the regular cities (like auction house/retainers), then yeah probably.

 

[ebil]

Anyone know the exact requirements for making materia?

I had gotten far enough along in the story to talk to some goblin about it, but then there was another quest which required a disciple of the hand (except cooking) at 19, but ran out of wind crystals before I got there. Are there any other quests after that, or do you just need the ~20ish story quests done + a 19 crafting class?

You don't need to complete the DoH quest to convert items into materia. You should be able to convert your gear by now. The DoH quest will let you affix materia when you complete it.

 

[LowParry]

You don't need to complete the DoH quest to convert items into materia. You should be able to convert your gear by now. The DoH quest will let you affix materia when you complete it.

Don't you have to be lvl 19 with DoH?

(Well, I guess that would depend the level of the item, dur)

 

[ebil]

Don't you have to be lvl 19 with DoH?

Not if you only want to convert gear into materia: I was able to convert gear just fine with my fresh character and I hadn't even unlocked a DoH class. If you want to start melding materia, you first need to complete the level 19 DoH quest, though.

 

[Cloudy]

Anyone need a ps3 beta code?

Sent it to another gaffer 2 weeks ago but he never replied and it might be unused. Pm me

Edit: code sent

 

[RussellXV]

Miss this game already. I want to play it now!

 

[astraycat]

You don't need to complete the DoH quest to convert items into materia. You should be able to convert your gear by now. The DoH quest will let you affix materia when you complete it.

Neat, thanks. I admit, I just saw the DoH quest then never bothered to try to convert anything to materia.

 

[Ravidrath]

I believe so. I remember seeing the listing of the Arcanist Guild while looking through the map at Lominsa.

And yeah, only affects the initial story until you get the airship.

I think you have to join the guild first before you could be the class which means you'll probably need to get the airship before being able to switch to any class that doesn't start in the same city as you.

You can change class any time after your Level 10 class quest.

And you can run to all the cities without getting airship access, although obviously it's a lot slower.

 

[Taruranto]

haha, indeed. I do fear that the Duty Finder will make the community a bit more... silent, I guess. I mean, I loved the dungeon finder thing they introduced in WoW for ease of use and no more waiting around forever, but.. at the same time, it really made the server community a bit less important. If that makes any sense. xD But like I said, I am excited about the Duty Finder being in the game.

EDIT: I'm not sure - it's definitely cross realm. Not sure about Guildleves, though.

No, I get what you are saying. The fact that you party with people on your server instead of people you will (probably) never meet again adds a lot to the immersion and you will relate to these people.

It's a double edge sword.

 

[Ravidrath]

haha, indeed. I do fear that the Duty Finder will make the community a bit more... silent, I guess.

I get what you're saying in theory, but...

Do this for me: pop over to the Official Forums and tell me if you still want to talk to these people.


Seriously, though, between GAF and GAF friends and the occasional person you run into that's worth talking to and doing things with, I think you'll be OK. And never actually need to use the Duty Finder, either. FFXIV 1.x's structure wasn't all that different, and I have a ton of friends in and out of Red Dot that I'd want to do things with.

I don't really ever want to use it, but I'd be happy to use it to find 1-2 people when everyone isn't on or someone has to go to sleep. I would never try to form a party whole cloth from it.

Personally, I'd rather do things with people I already have a connection with. And if that isn't possible then, then I'll go do something else, since there isn't exactly a shortage of stuff to do in this game.

 

[Teknoman]

Miss this game already. I want to play it now!

Same here...

 

[QisTopTier]

I dont know about you guys but every dungeon I've done with randoms they listened to what I was saying and asked for advice on the bosses *or gave it*

No one even used limit breaks unless I called out for them to use it.

 

[Varna]

I don't really ever want to use it, but I'd be happy to use it to find 1-2 people when everyone isn't on or someone has to go to sleep. I would never try to form a party whole cloth from it.

You have to think that's how lots of people will use it though. Then the more troubling thoughts of... they are going to design instances around people using it.

 

[Kandinsky]

I dont know about you guys but every dungeon I've done with randoms they listened to what I was saying and asked for advice on the bosses *or gave it*

No one even used limit breaks unless I called out for them to use it.

Speaking of LB, how do they work?, do you have a time window for everyone to use theirs at the same time or just one member of the party use it and thats it?.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

You have to think that's how lots of people will use it though. Then the more troubling thoughts of... they are going to design instances around people using it.

They already said that high level instances wouldn't be recommended for duty finder parties.

Speaking of LB, how do they work?, do you have a time window for everyone to use theirs at the same time or just one member of the party use it and thats it?.

Basically one member uses it and the effect depends if he is an attacker, defender or mage. Note that all members of the party must be alive to use it.

 

[Khrno]

I dont know about you guys but every dungeon I've done with randoms they listened to what I was saying and asked for advice on the bosses *or gave it*

No one even used limit breaks unless I called out for them to use it.

I wanted to grind Sastasha yesterday to get some MRD gear before going to Ifrit and I got into a party were I was the only that had done the dungeon before, the party leader just asked at the beginning who had done it before and when I said I had, he asked me if I could lead the run, well I was the tank so I was going to do that anyway, but still we all four tried to get along even when we didn't talk any more than just about the beginning and before a boss fight.

 

[SoraanTribal]

I get what you're saying in theory, but...

Do this for me: pop over to the Official Forums and tell me if you still want to talk to these people.

lol. You got me there. I do go on the beta forums from time to time to see what others are saying, and there's... quite a few... interesting people on there. That's the nicest way of putting it.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I wish they would hurry up and release that standalone character creator benchmark/demo they were talking about. I want to play with sliders!

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

lol. You got me there. I do go on the beta forums from time to time to see what others are saying, and there's... quite a few... interesting people on there. That's the nicest way of putting it.

I swear that if Rokien ever ends on Sargatanas I'm bailing out of the server.

 

[QisTopTier]

Basically one member uses it and the effect depends if he is an attacker, defender or mage. Note that all members of the party must be alive to use it.

This is false, why? Because the bard/whm level 3 limit revives the dead

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I get what you're saying in theory, but...

Do this for me: pop over to the Official Forums and tell me if you still want to talk to these people.


Seriously, though, between GAF and GAF friends and the occasional person you run into that's worth talking to and doing things with, I think you'll be OK. And never actually need to use the Duty Finder, either. FFXIV 1.x's structure wasn't all that different, and I have a ton of friends in and out of Red Dot that I'd want to do things with.

I don't really ever want to use it, but I'd be happy to use it to find 1-2 people when everyone isn't on or someone has to go to sleep. I would never try to form a party whole cloth from it.

Personally, I'd rather do things with people I already have a connection with. And if that isn't possible then, then I'll go do something else, since there isn't exactly a shortage of stuff to do in this game.

This is why no one wants to go to Legacy servers, in case anyone was wondering. I feel sorry for anybody who goes to Legacy servers without a pre-made guild waiting for them there if this is the attitude most Legacy players have.

I ended up running into and partying with plenty of randoms during the course of this beta and generally they were all nice people. I certainly don't fear random people and go out of my way to avoid them, or even "go do something else" if I can't make a party out of mostly my existing friends.

 

[Khrno]

lol. You got me there. I do go on the beta forums from time to time to see what others are saying, and there's... quite a few... interesting people on there. That's the nicest way of putting it.

I only go to the beta forums for the dev posts, but sometimes I click on the Hot Topics threads just to amuse myself, or find something useful like a Materia thread that popped there yesterday and actually had some interesting information about materia melding and stats caps.

But anyway, those interesting people as you call them, just happen to be very vocal and seem to spam a lot of threads, even at a glance over all these months you could identify some of these vocal threads being the same and always asking or arguing about the same things.

However it's not like that's the only place those sort of comments appear, here in GAF you also have the people that hate the game because it is too easy, the ones that hate it because it is too hard, the ones that want it to be like FFXI, like WoW, like V1.00, V1.19, V1.23, etc. At least the comments just stay as personal opinions, and don't really stir horrible discussions as in the beta forums.

 

[erawsd]

You have to think that's how lots of people will use it though. Then the more troubling thoughts of... they are going to design instances around people using it.

Thats just a terrible design decision though. Whether a random group is slapped together in the duty finder or through /sh I don't see why that should have impact on instance design. Players should be expected to coordinate and communicate regardless of what tool has brought them together.

 

[omlet]

I swear that if Rokien ever ends on Sargatanas I'm bailing out of the server.

I hate to break it to you but Rokien has been on Sargatanas the whole time. I think most of the server has him blacklisted, though.

 

[QisTopTier]

Thats just a terrible design decision though. Whether a random group is slapped together in the duty finder or through /sh I don't see why that should have impact on instance design. Players should be expected to coordinate and communicate regardless of what tool has brought them together.

Don't worry about it, WoW pretty much thrives off it and the dugeons have fun designed bosses with very very few tank and spank fights

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

This is false, why? Because the bard/whm level 3 limit revives the dead

Really? I was trying to use the LB on the Ifrit fight and I couldn't.

I hate to break it to you but Rokien has been on Sargatanas the whole time. I think most of the server has him blacklisted, though.

I think I must have been lucky enough to never find him or met him.

 

[QisTopTier]

Really? I was trying to use the LB on the Ifrit fight and I couldn't.

Yup.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I swear that if Rokien ever ends on Sargatanas I'm bailing out of the server.

If Rokien has the same in-game name as his Legacy character, then he has always been on Lindblum -> Sargatanas. I remember him from when I played 1.0.

I only go to the beta forums for the dev posts, but sometimes I click on the Hot Topics threads just to amuse myself, or find something useful like a Materia thread that popped there yesterday and actually had some interesting information about materia melding and stats caps.

But anyway, those interesting people as you call them, just happen to be very vocal and seem to spam a lot of threads, even at a glance over all these months you could identify some of these vocal threads being the same and always asking or arguing about the same things.

However it's not like that's the only place those sort of comments appear, here in GAF you also have the people that hate the game because it is too easy, the ones that hate it because it is too hard, the ones that want it to be like FFXI, like WoW, like V1.00, V1.19, V1.23, etc. At least the comments just stay as personal opinions, and don't really stir horrible discussions as in the beta forums.

I've read threads in the feedback sub-forums of the beta forums and even posted in them. There are plenty of people offering valid, thoughtful constructive criticism about the game and really if you're playing in this beta you should be trying to help improve the game before launch, not just sponge off free playtime. Most MMO betas are little more than free previews, but so far with this game and this team, they are taking beta testing as a serious public test and things people have brought up have been implemented into the game or fixed or changed. From what I hear, the game has dramatically improved by leaps and bounds between Phase 1, Phase 2, and now Phase 3 of beta, though I wasn't in the earlier phases. So maybe instead of going there to laugh at and shit on people, you should be contributing to making the game better at launch too.

 

[Boss Man]

So I kind of have a weakness for making my characters somewhat accurate to the lore and I've decided that I'll probably play an Elezen. This means that he will be in Gridania, but honestly I don't care for the hippy GC there. Problem is, it wouldn't 'make sense' for my character to join a different GC.


My question is this:
Isn't there a fourth, sort of 'neutral' city that acts a bit like Jeuno in FFXI? Might this city be expected to have a GC at some point, or is that probably never going to happen? Because if so, I could just sign up for that one if it made some sense for my character.

Also, is there anywhere to read up on lore that isn't what's on the lodestone? I need to try and convince myself that an awesome Sea Wolf Roeg wouldn't be weird playing magic jobs, because I enjoyed playing Galka in FFXI, Limsa is pretty, and Maelstrom seems pretty cool.

 

[Khrno]

I've read threads in the feedback sub-forums of the beta forums and even posted in them. There are plenty of people offering valid, thoughtful constructive criticism about the game and really if you're playing in this beta you should be trying to help improve the game before launch, not just sponge off free playtime. Most MMO betas are little more than free previews, but so far with this game and this team, they are taking beta testing as a serious public test and things people have brought up have been implemented into the game or fixed or changed. From what I hear, the game has dramatically improved by leaps and bounds between Phase 1, Phase 2, and now Phase 3 of beta, though I wasn't in the earlier phases. So maybe instead of going there to laugh at and shit on people, you should be contributing to making the game better at launch too.

I've posted my feedback as well, mostly on phase 1 and 2 but not on this phase since the little issues I've had were already posted, so I just left a quick comment on an existing thread and a like.

Also I was referring to the General Discussion section where most of the bad discussions take place.

 

[theSlacker]

This is why no one wants to go to Legacy servers, in case anyone was wondering. I feel sorry for anybody who goes to Legacy servers without a pre-made guild waiting for them there if this is the attitude most Legacy players have.

I ended up running into and partying with plenty of randoms during the course of this beta and generally they were all nice people. I certainly don't fear random people and go out of my way to avoid them, or even "go do something else" if I can't make a party out of mostly my existing friends.

Bingo. Just about everything I do, I do with pugs, and always have. Sure I have a million stories of bad parties with jerks but it's nothing that I really rage out about. Never really understood the mentality of the "never party with pugs" people, but I guess always being dps and playing games a lot more then I should be has left me with few other options. Just willing and able to put up with much more then people who always play with their friends or organized groups.

 

[Riposte]

There is nothing to say that you won't be playing with legacy characters when you use duty finder. It is cross-server.

(It also won't make a difference, because legacy servers will be exactly like new ones, just progressed a little more. Once people starting hit 50 on one or two classes, it will very much be the same. Likely by the time they open up transfers.)

 

[Teknoman]

Yeah, gotta admit that there are alot of blockheads in general discussion.

I will say that i'm strange in that I like the odd bad party. Gives you something to talk about later lol. Nothing like that one person that caused a crawler stampede back in the day.

 

[theSlacker]

So I kind of have a weakness for making my characters somewhat accurate to the lore and I've decided that I'll probably play an Elezen. This means that he will be in Gridania, but honestly I don't care for the hippy GC there. Problem is, it wouldn't 'make sense' for my character to join a different GC.


My question is this:
Isn't there a fourth, sort of 'neutral' city that acts a bit like Jeuno in FFXI? Might this city be expected to have a GC at some point, or is that probably never going to happen? Because if so, I could just sign up for that one if it made some sense for my character.

Also, is there anywhere to read up on lore that isn't what's on the lodestone? I need to try and convince myself that an awesome Sea Wolf Roeg wouldn't be weird playing magic jobs, because I enjoyed playing Galka in FFXI, Limsa is pretty, and Maelstrom seems pretty cool.

The main towns don't seem as segregated as fff11 towns. Like every city seems to have a bunch of every race in it doing all kinds of things, and since no mater where you start the game you are not a native to that area it is kind of pointless to try to go where you think your race should be, rp wise.

 

[Baleoce]

It's nice that FATEs tell you the time left now before you go over to them, but it's meaningless unless they also show you the progression bar as well. Also, has anyone ever been doing a guildleve, and had a FATE pop up on top of them, then got aggrod by a FATE mob? xD It's kind of annoying.

 

[Khrno]

So I kind of have a weakness for making my characters somewhat accurate to the lore and I've decided that I'll probably play an Elezen. This means that he will be in Gridania, but honestly I don't care for the hippy GC there. Problem is, it wouldn't 'make sense' for my character to join a different GC.


My question is this:
Isn't there a fourth, sort of 'neutral' city that acts a bit like Jeuno in FFXI? Might this city be expected to have a GC at some point, or is that probably never going to happen? Because if so, I could just sign up for that one if it made some sense for my character.

Also, is there anywhere to read up on lore that isn't what's on the lodestone? I need to try and convince myself that an awesome Sea Wolf Roeg wouldn't be weird playing magic jobs, because I enjoyed playing Galka in FFXI, Limsa is pretty, and Maelstrom seems pretty cool.

About the current ARR story, there's not many places to check, but if you want some backstory from 1.0, then have a look at this thread, also the FFXIV wikia has some more info you can have a look to.

All in all, 14/ARR isn't like 11, races don't really belong to cities or places, you can be of any race on any city or any class, look at the cities and guilds in-game, they usually have members of all races.

Ishgard should be the fourth city, and could become something like Jeuno, but any details about it or what it will be are simply unknown, the only thing Yoshida has said is that Ishgard will appear sometime after launch, but we don't know anything else.

 

[Teknoman]

It's nice that FATEs tell you the time left now before you go over to them, but it's meaningless unless they also show you the progression bar as well. Also, has anyone ever been doing a guildleve, and had a FATE pop up on top of them, then got aggrod by a FATE mob? xD It's kind of annoying.

I could see that happening where that Gigantoad NM pops up.

 

[ebil]

So I kind of have a weakness for making my characters somewhat accurate to the lore and I've decided that I'll probably play an Elezen. This means that he will be in Gridania, but honestly I don't care for the hippy GC there. Problem is, it wouldn't 'make sense' for my character to join a different GC.


My question is this:
Isn't there a fourth, sort of 'neutral' city that acts a bit like Jeuno in FFXI? Might this city be expected to have a GC at some point, or is that probably never going to happen? Because if so, I could just sign up for that one if it made some sense for my character.

Also, is there anywhere to read up on lore that isn't what's on the lodestone? I need to try and convince myself that an awesome Sea Wolf Roeg wouldn't be weird playing magic jobs, because I enjoyed playing Galka in FFXI, Limsa is pretty, and Maelstrom seems pretty cool.

There's the Holy See of Ishgard, they're religious fanatics who love waging war with dragons. Halone is their guardian deity. I think they're a bit nuts/scary. I honestly don't expect them to have à GC that you can join but we should never say never.
Ishgard will probably not be open to players for à long time though, maybe not before the first expansion.

You should try the Lore forum on the Official Forums. There's a lot of great conversation going on there, and Fernehalwes even drops (well used to drop until he got too much work) Lore-bombs there.

 

[Boss Man]

Thanks for the info guys, always helpful in here.

I really wish this game had NMs that carried rare drops. Could just make it so that when you claim them they are quest monsters and no one else can attack. I miss that aspect of FFXI a lot, hunting special enemies for rare drops.

Or is there something like that in the works/already existing?

 

[SoraanTribal]

I've read threads in the feedback sub-forums of the beta forums and even posted in them. There are plenty of people offering valid, thoughtful constructive criticism about the game and really if you're playing in this beta you should be trying to help improve the game before launch, not just sponge off free playtime. Most MMO betas are little more than free previews, but so far with this game and this team, they are taking beta testing as a serious public test and things people have brought up have been implemented into the game or fixed or changed. From what I hear, the game has dramatically improved by leaps and bounds between Phase 1, Phase 2, and now Phase 3 of beta, though I wasn't in the earlier phases. So maybe instead of going there to laugh at and shit on people, you should be contributing to making the game better at launch too.

I saw a couple threads today that were actually great, and I posted in them giving my support. One was about problems with Conjurer (numerous), and the other one was about changing limit breaks. Both of those had some very valid complaints and suggestions on fixing them.

It's a shame some of the posts in them (and in other threads) are so immature at times. I guess that is the case on most forums, though. Even GAF is not immune to that.

Thanks for the info guys, always helpful in here.

I really wish this game had NMs that carried rare drops. Could just make it so that when you claim them they are quest monsters and no one else can attack. I miss that aspect of FFXI a lot, hunting special enemies for rare drops.

Or is there something like that in the works/already existing?

The game does have NMs afaik. I've seen screenshots of Bubbly Bernie. I'm not sure what it drops, though. I haven't seen any personally, but I hope they add plenty - FFXIV 1.0 had a lot of them, so I can't imagine they would remove them completely.

 

[Khrno]

Thanks for the info guys, always helpful in here.

I really wish this game had NMs that carried rare drops. Could just make it so that when you claim them they are quest monsters and no one else can attack. I miss that aspect of FFXI a lot, hunting special enemies for rare drops.

Or is there something like that in the works/already existing?

Some of the FATE NMs are supposed to have loot, but seems like it hasn't been implemented right now.

The game does have NMs afaik. I've seen screenshots of Bubbly Bernie. I'm not sure what it drops, though. I haven't seen any personally, but I hope they add plenty - FFXIV 1.0 had a lot of them, so I can't imagine they would remove them completely.

Those are FATE's NMs.

 

[Ravidrath]

Thanks for the info guys, always helpful in here.

I really wish this game had NMs that carried rare drops. Could just make it so that when you claim them they are quest monsters and no one else can attack. I miss that aspect of FFXI a lot, hunting special enemies for rare drops.

Or is there something like that in the works/already existing?

NMs like that won't be coming.

All they do is great drama and reward bad behavior, so I won't miss them.