Vita PSN Game & Service Thread | July 2013 | Slow Month, Fast Games

I'm getting Shadow of The Colossus for $5. How is remote play, anyone tried it out?

Works fine if you have a decent network set up. I did some of my Hard mode time attack runs via remote play. Once in awhile, it would lag, but it's not the kind of twitch gaming where it's a showstopper. Now I'm not saying I want to go do time attack hard mode colossus #3 via remote play, but I did enough of my run on Vita and wasn't pissed off by the lag when it occurred.

i think im buying silent hill BoM, Lego Batman and Shadow of the Colossus to play on remote play (worth it?)

oh and velocity ultra next week to go head to head with some vitabros here!

Guess we can coop it Frost!

Sure... are we PSN friends? If not, send me a FR.

I believe you have to download something on the vita for that to work. It's been a while so I forget the exact process. Sorry.

Did you download a patch for it?

Yup -- you need the most recent patch for ICO/SotC to get remote play enabled.

Why in the world would anyone make a AAA game for the vita? The install base doesn't justify the cost.


The future of the Vita, as of now, is indies from the west, imports from Japan, and the occasional "big" title from Sony and the super, super occasional "big" title from third party - like Batman.


This is just, factually, where the Vita is right now. We can argue about "the vita needs this!" "No, it's needs that!" but the numbers don't add up.


I do think there is a path to expanding the install base, which I outlined here. http://fyfyi.com/2013/06/29/fyfyi-episode-196-indies-the-vita-and-you/ in podcast form. But if you don't want to listen this is what I think needs to happen that is realistic (saying "just get GTA!!!" isn't realistic).


1. Price drop at gamescom. Why? Because that's a few weeks before Killzone. So the first few weeks will lift sales just by virtue of the drop and then Killzone hits which should also boost sales. Add an 8gb card and 1 month of PS+ to the box.

2. When Killzone comes out make a bundle. Same other stuff... 8gb card, 1 month of PS+.

3. When Tearaway comes out make a bundle. Same other stuff.

4. When Batman comes out make a bundle. Same other stuff.

5. PS4 comes out, $550 bundle for PS4 with Vita, 8gb card, 1 month of +.

5. Push another HUGEEEEE Black Friday deal. Like $150 for the vita, different games bundled, etc.

6. Early 2014 release your first revision, a cheaper model without an OLED (as far as I understand the OLED is the most expensive piece of the tech that can be replaced... LCD would be just fine for most people). Keep two skus, 3ds style.... the "better" one at $200 with the OLED, the cheaper one at $150.

The point of a price drop is to get a bit of a snowball effect going. If you drop price right now it will boost sales for about two weeks and then it will flatline again because there is nothing else keeping it going. Gamescom and then even with the rather lackluster lineup this fall... it's spaced perfectly to keep that snowball rolling.

Two other things need to happen to help. The first, and this might be a pipe dream, but Sony needs to start advertising the thing. Go directly after what people perceive to be the weakness... that it has no games and it's not a good value.

I would run about 6 different commercials that are all similar in setup that all show about 5 seconds of gameplay from 5 games in each (leaving another 5 seconds for wrapper). I would do it like this. Same wrapper on each commercial so you think it's going to be the same but each time different games pop in the middle.

1. Wipeout 2048, Guacamelee, Madden, Y's, Lumines

2. Uncharted, Rayman Origins, Persona 4, Limbo, FIFA

3. Soul Sacrifice, Gravity Rush, Muramasa, Hotline Miami, MLB 13

4. Assassin's Creed 3 Lib, Dead or Alive 5 Plus, Sine Mora, Need For Speed Most Wanted

5. LittleBigPlanet, Call of Duty, Sonic Racing Transformed, Mutant Blobs Attack, Jak and Daxter Collection

6. Killzone, Disgaea 3, Virtua Tennis 4, Dragon Fantasy Book 1, Unit 13


You could obviously do more than 6... but the point is to take the battle directly to the narrative of "The vita has no games." The ads don't have to mention that meme by name. But by all having the same intro and each having different sets of games... over the course of a few weeks people will start going "holy shit! How many games are on this goddamn thing?!" The vita doesn't have that single "Killer App" but it does have an amazing ecosystem of games and I think this would be their most effective line of advertising. It's not "buy this, we have a big game" it's "no matter what you like, we got it."

Also... if the remote play is as flawless as it should be (and really, it should be... i'm at the point where if it isn't i will consider that a disappointment) that will create good word of mouth on its own. Remote play and controlling a game with the vita could also be mixed into a commercial. Maybe after the PS4 comes out show someone playing Drive Club through it, show a couple of apps (skype, twitter, facebook, browser), show Tearaway and then blast like 50 game titles on the screen.


The thing with the Vita is that it sells itself if people get to sit down with it. I know this isn't 100% true so there's no need to respond with "well I bought one and sold it because i thought it sucked." But, in general, once people start messing around with one they sell themselves. The problem is that kiosks don't do the trick. The lighting is poor, the screen is smudged to shit, you have to hold it like 3 feet away from your eyes (if you're tall like me). So they need to grow the base to grow the base. I know that sounds stupid but I think you get one I mean. Once they are out there and more people have it... those people's friends and families will then see it and more will get sold.

So they need to expand the install base... and this fall into next spring is the time to do it. They also need to deal with memory card costs. I know that with the small install base they need those margins to stay profitable but I do think that a lot of informed buyers are reticent about the machine based on memory prices alone. Get rid of the 4gb, introduce a 64gb, and slot everything down a notch in price (64=$100, 32=$50, 16=$30 8=$20). I think people will be ok with, at the very least, 16gbs for $30. Also, you have to pack memory in every box, sony. You have to.


I tried to convince Adam Boyes to hire me, he declined. I still think he should ;)

Pretty much.

patch? I GUESS NOT! :D

dammit PSN,
why don't you download and install ALL patches yourself? like..... Wiiu?

PS+ does this. At least if the game has recently been played.

laggy as hell

See above.
 
No wall of shame this time around? It should be a mainstay in the monthly OP. I just like to see how much people that don't care for the Vita post.

wallofshamejuneqxs8k.png


You'll buy it and you'll love it! :)
Oh man, that's twice I'll be on a wall of shame within a month having never been on such a list before lol.
 
I just bought the psp version of fight night round 3 for the vita and the game is spectacular. One of the hidden gems. If you are looking for a good fun game, buy it.
 
laggy as hell

Remote play on SotC and Gow 1/2 are pretty close to flawless for me even with the visuals pushed to +1. If you're interested in Ps4 remote play you may want to look into better networking equipment. I had a shitty router for a while and remote play over that was awful.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys! Looking like P3P will be the game I choose.

This will be my first Persona game... Is there anything I need to know? Any tips I can use wwhile playing the game?

It was my favourite game on PS2, hope you will like it. If you do, checkout Persona 1 and 2. (Persona 4 is a given :))

As for tips...mmm don't be afraid to fuse your personas, I was never using the same set of personas for very long until the end of the game. Also social links are pretty important as they affect the exp you get from the fusions and what personas you can fuse. Other than that just enjoy the game.
 
That's actually really cool.

They're such beasts that they probably could have even did Journey. That would have been nice. :(

Maybe its a multigame deal like the PixelJunk Monsters thing, Journey could be next for all we know. Bluepoint is making Batman for vita right?
 
Maybe its a multigame deal like the PixelJunk Monsters thing, Journey could be next for all we know. Bluepoint is making Batman for vita right?

No. A bunch of ex-Retro Studios people are making it, using the Bluepoint engine. But you could be right that it could be a multigame deal. That would be cool.
 
Add me to the list of people who would love Journey on Vita; don't have a PS3, so can't play it.

BTW, has there been an announcement for the PS+ games for this month?
 
I'm tryna get on that Wall 'O' Shame ^__^ Lets work for July!

1. Price drop at gamescom. Why? Because that's a few weeks before Killzone. So the first few weeks will lift sales just by virtue of the drop and then Killzone hits which should also boost sales. Add an 8gb card and 1 month of PS+ to the box.

2. When Killzone comes out make a bundle. Same other stuff... 8gb card, 1 month of PS+.

3. When Tearaway comes out make a bundle. Same other stuff.

4. When Batman comes out make a bundle. Same other stuff.

5. PS4 comes out, $550 bundle for PS4 with Vita, 8gb card, 1 month of +.

5. Push another HUGEEEEE Black Friday deal. Like $150 for the vita, different games bundled, etc.

6. Early 2014 release your first revision, a cheaper model without an OLED (as far as I understand the OLED is the most expensive piece of the tech that can be replaced... LCD would be just fine for most people). Keep two skus, 3ds style.... the "better" one at $200 with the OLED, the cheaper one at $150.

The point of a price drop is to get a bit of a snowball effect going. If you drop price right now it will boost sales for about two weeks and then it will flatline again because there is nothing else keeping it going. Gamescom and then even with the rather lackluster lineup this fall... it's spaced perfectly to keep that snowball rolling.

Two other things need to happen to help. The first, and this might be a pipe dream, but Sony needs to start advertising the thing. Go directly after what people perceive to be the weakness... that it has no games and it's not a good value.

I would run about 6 different commercials that are all similar in setup that all show about 5 seconds of gameplay from 5 games in each (leaving another 5 seconds for wrapper). I would do it like this. Same wrapper on each commercial so you think it's going to be the same but each time different games pop in the middle.

1. Wipeout 2048, Guacamelee, Madden, Y's, Lumines

2. Uncharted, Rayman Origins, Persona 4, Limbo, FIFA

3. Soul Sacrifice, Gravity Rush, Muramasa, Hotline Miami, MLB 13

4. Assassin's Creed 3 Lib, Dead or Alive 5 Plus, Sine Mora, Need For Speed Most Wanted

5. LittleBigPlanet, Call of Duty, Sonic Racing Transformed, Mutant Blobs Attack, Jak and Daxter Collection

6. Killzone, Disgaea 3, Virtua Tennis 4, Dragon Fantasy Book 1, Unit 13

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Get rid of the 4gb, introduce a 64gb, and slot everything down a notch in price (64=$100, 32=$50, 16=$30 8=$20). I think people will be ok with, at the very least, 16gbs for $30. Also, you have to pack memory in every box, sony. You have to.


I tried to convince Adam Boyes to hire me, he declined. I still think he should ;)

This sounds pretty realistic to what's to come. I think famousmortimer hit it on the head regarding a plan to get Vita back on track. Lets face it... Killzone is the ONLY title that looks like it could attract some mainstream buzz. It may not have done it on PS3 like Sony wanted it to, but the Vita is a smaller ecosystem therefore the the spotlight is brighter. Not to mention, the game itself is shaping up to be fantastic.

Everyone getting upset over indie games is missing the bigger picture. The Vita isn't selling. If we didnt have these games, We wouldnt have ANY games at all. They wouldn't magically be replaced by big budget titles.

It all falls down to Gamescom in all seriousness. If we don't see a price drop to push momentum towards Killzone, then its okay to put the nail in the coffin and call it a night. Sony clearly has a fallback plan of making this their indie/remote play device while focusing their efforts on PS4 which will be a very profitable venture come this fall.

That being said... I dont see them leaving Vita to its early grave... Vita was a big expense, It would be wasted money, an idiotic move for any company especially for an ailing Sony profit margin. But the big budget games AREN'T going to appear until Vita has a more solid userbase. When that happens, EVERYBODY WINS. Indie Devs, Publishers, Gamers, and Sony.

It quite literally all banks on Gamescom. We'll see what happens.

My money is on that price drop and maybe 1 - 2 new software titles announced.
 
No. A bunch of ex-Retro Studios people are making it, using the Bluepoint engine. But you could be right that it could be a multigame deal. That would be cool.

those guys jumped out in the right time.

Batman Blackgate look way more interesting than the new Donkey Kong crap Nintendo is forcing Retro to make nowdays.

Add me to the list of people who would love Journey on Vita; don't have a Vita, so can't play it.

on Vita it will most likely look like this.

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do not want.
 
those guys jumped out in the right time.

Batman Blackgate look way more interesting than the new Donkey Kong crap Nintendo is forcing Retro to make nowdays.



on Vita it will most likely look like this.

qoheUEN.jpg


do not want.

Where is that picture from?
 
I wanna join the VitaBros just got a ps3 again (sold my old 80gb one before it died to gamestop) and got a Vita for the first time add me PSN MrCapcom

Gonna try and pick up MvC3 today from GS
 
So happy that Project Diva f is getting some much deserved love as the game of the month for July. This has been THE game for me on Vita. I got it on sort of a lark after spending a bunch of time with DJMAX and it has surpassed DJMAX and all other Vita games as my favorite Vita game thus far.

I'm starting to get into JRPG game clock territory with this game. It's that good.

Fuck the haters.

Currently it is on break while I plow through Muramasa. Just finished Kisuke's story mode last night, and am starting on Momohime's. As soon as I'm done with Muramasa, Project Diva f is going right the fuck back in to the Vita.
 
Good news people, BluePoint is porting Flower.

Good news for the port. Now if only I could convince myself to care. Loved it on PS3 and advocated it to death, but it seems a really odd decision for Vita.

That's actually really cool.

They're such beasts that they probably could have even done Journey. That would have been nice. :(

Would love journey on vita

I will never understand the Journey hype. But hey, if it gets more games on the system, more people interested in the system, or thatgamecompany to start putting out new/original titles on Vita? Sure, whynot.
 
I don't think it would be that great on the vita (Journey) as the experience is meant to be shared online. If you don't have a 3G vita, then you're missing out i think.
 
Isn't Silent Hill suppose to be terrible?

Try the demo and decide for yourself.
Some like it, some don't.
For what it was, I thought the demo was pretty entertaining, but I had enough to play that I didn't need to run out and pay $40 for it. Now that it's <$10 for me as a PS+ member, I'm on it!

I don't think it would be that great on the vita (Journey) as the experience is meant to be shared online. If you don't have a 3G vita, then you're missing out i think.

I don't understand. I play shit online with my Vita all the time. Why would I need a 3G model to enjoy that game, should I ever actually want to play it?

how does it compare to the amount of content in HSG?

You get like 32 characters, all alternate costumes, a long story mode with tons of cinematics, a bunch of unlockable content (artwork, music, etc.) in the krypt, and 2 challenge towers comprising something like 400 challenges including Vita specific challenges like Test Your Slice (a variant of Fruit Ninja with MK theme).
 
how does it compare to the amount of content in HSG?

Hmm I don't know. All I can say is that they are both chock full of stuff to do so if you are happy with the amount of content in HSG (and, really, who wouldn't be?) you would be happy with the amount of content in MK.

Good news for the port. Now if only I could convince myself to care. Loved it on PS3 and advocated it to death, but it seems a really odd decision for Vita.





I will never understand the Journey hype. But hey, if it gets more games on the system, more people interested in the system, or thatgamecompany to start putting out new/original titles on Vita? Sure, whynot.

I realize its not a game for everyone since there's not a lot of objectives or anything, but it really left an impact on me. It was beautiful, serene, and emotional.
 
I will never understand the Journey hype. But hey, if it gets more games on the system, more people interested in the system, or thatgamecompany to start putting out new/original titles on Vita? Sure, whynot.

it's a "push the stick forward so the background can change" simulation, people like it because the color changes I guess.

, or thatgamecompany to start putting out new/original titles on Vita? Sure, whynot

when TGC make actual games instead of non game "experiences" I might care.
 
That gif has as much gameplay as TGC "games"

And yet TGC's games are not just about gameplay right? They are more about blending subtle gameplay and stories to create great experiences, which is exactly what video games are about if you think of it.

It is not a coincidence that both Journey and TWD (two games that don't offer much "gameplay-wise") got top sales and awards almost everywhere last year.
 
So yesterday's texture sacrifice is today's 'stick forward for background change'
No idea why I come to this thread anymore, it's like a terrible sitcom that constantly runs with the same tired jokes. Now only with more people trying to play the lead.
 
Stop replying/quoting to the joke character, is bad enough that he is back, is worse that I have to read his moronic diatribe.
 
The Walking Dead 400 Days is out this/next week (depending on your region). Wonder if we'll be getting a stealthy Vita release since at E3 it was said the Vita would get The Walking Dead base game + 400 Days + 'more bonus content' (whatever the fuck that means for a game like TWD) together...
 
The Walking Dead 400 Days is out this/next week (depending on your region). Wonder if we'll be getting a stealthy Vita release since at E3 it was said the Vita would get The Walking Dead base game + 400 Days + 'more bonus content' (whatever the fuck that means for a game like TWD) together...

I think the Vita release was slated for August, but it would definitely be great to have it sooner than that.
 
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