EA Sports details what it would take for them to make Wii U games again

I wonder what the gaming landscape would look today if the PS3 ever sold as badly as the Wii U...because it hasn't. The more apt comparison is the Vita, which isn't exactly swimming in 3rd party support.

Of course, the PS3 had GTAIV, MGS4, FFXIII, TES:Oblivion, and Devil May Cry 4 (among others) already announced for it before it even launched. If Wii U had MGS5, GTAV, and FFXV and Fallout 4 announced for it before it launched, its situation might look very different, too.

When people compare early PS3 support to early Wii U support, I'm not sure why this isn't the major talking point. Yes, the PS3 (like most consoles) had weak early support; the point is that we all knew that support was coming whether the PS3 was a huge hit out of the gate or a monumental disaster. And not just "support" in the sense that it would get a version of Madden -- the PS3 was assured to get many of the biggest titles of the generation before the generation had even begun.
 
And that's why Nintendo want to build momentum with their releases, to increase the install base.
We'll see if that'll work for them.
 
Those 3 games, plus Wii Fit U and Wii U Party has the potential to be impressive, sales wise.

Still think Nintendo needs to get the premium down to at least $300 though..

Wii U Party won't sell.

I've no idea why they are wasting time on that ahead of Wii Sports U. Even Mario Party would have been smarter.

Wii Party only sold OK off the back of the Wii Sports and Wii Fit phenomenon. A complete waste of resources at the moment as the game won't sell hardware and the fanbase isn't there to buy the software.
 
add to that pikmin, W101, watchdogs, rayman, AC, splinter cell, COD, deus ex DR, wii fit U (not for me but eh) and i know im missing some eshop games and other retail releases, I guess i shouldnt have said holiday, but fall-winter period

Third party games are not going to sell Wii Us. Watch as most of these titles sell like shit compared to every other platforms. The only game i could see selling better on Wii U is Rayman because it was originally planned as an exclusive + the free Challenges App that have been available for months and Rayman was never popular on Sony & Microsoft consoles, and that is still a big maybe.
 
WiiU is going to tank this holiday season. All the hype and press is going to be about the new HD twins.

Agree with the hype being on the HD twins, but I wouldn't say the U will "tank". They've got a very fun lineup of games, and a few major franchises hitting in 2014.

Is it enough to propel them back into the front of the pack? Nah, but it'll keep them from sinking further.

The U truly is a fantastic system, but Nintendo needs to show consumers more of it! Their demo stations are bullshit, with no games to play, or Miiverse to interact with. They're doing a terrible job of selling it to consumers.
 
To me, the obvious problem with this is that Nintendo is in a poor position to play battle-of-the-wallets with Sony and/or Microsoft. Nintendo isn't a small company, of course, but compare that to Microsoft (obviously) or Sony, who just lost ~5 Billion dollars on the PS3 with no obvious effect on their strategy, and I do think Nintendo is smart to move away from playing the game based on how much you can spend.

If you can agree with that, then Nintendo's best approach would be to try to foster independent developers who would grow up in Nintendo's ecosystem rather than Sony/MS's and who could eventually be big publishers in their own right. That wouldn't necessarily be successful, but it's certainly better than continuously chasing EA/Take 2/etc., who are basically a lost cause unless Nintendo does exactly what you just suggested (spend tons of money trying to compete with Sony/MS directly), which I think is a horrible idea.
Exactly. Nintendo should be trying to differentiate itself from the competition as best it can. More 1st party output, indie support, and Japanese development.

I know they have said they are doing #1, it looks like they are doing #2, but #3 doesn't look like it is happening.
On this note, if they do take the alternate route, which I agree is more logical, I think they should focus heavily on keeping the price point lower than they did with the Wii U.

Selling it as a system that you buy in addition to another one might be an easier sell, and it will also be an easier sell to audiences who aren't heavily invested in mainstream AAAA games to the point where price point isn't nearly as large of an issue.
 
Madden is only being released on 360/PS3 when it bows in August. No Vita, no PC, no DS either.
 
Third party games are not going to sell Wii Us. Watch as most of these titles sell like shit compared to every other platforms. The only game i could see selling better on Wii U is Rayman because it was originally planned as an exclusive + the free Challenges App that have been available for months, and that's a big maybe.

rayman sold best on the wii, i bet that version does best, and i think watchdogs will put up decent numbers (not as good as ps3/360 but good), if it uses the gamepad in cool ways and isnt gimped, the rest i expect to do much less than the 360/ps3 versions, but that should be expected given the disparity in userbase sizes
 
Yeah, four full priced late ports (other platforms selling cheaper at time of release), three of which were also gimped to varying degrees.

And the ME3/Trilogy deal just defies all logic. The trilogy pack that other platforms got absolutely could have at least had a shot at some decent traction on Wii U. It even would've gotten me to double dip. And I never double dip.

To be fair the efforts we've seen from other companies haven't exactly put EA to shame either. A year late port of Amazing Spiderman? Lego Batman 2?! Really? Most everything the U receved at launch was old. Tekken Tag 2? Old. Darksiders 2? Old.
 
but last year they were late half assed ports. Excluding DEHR and WWHD, these are all games coming out day and date with the ps3/360 versions. And i actually think if Watchdogs, and to a much much lesser degree SC has good gamepad integration, a decent amount of people will pick it up. I know i have seen a decent amount of gaffers talk about wanting that version if the gamepad fetures are good.

Are people going to buy a wiiU for it? Are people going to buy a wiiU for it on the heels of the massive onslaught of games and marketing for the next gen sony and microsoft systems?

The gamepad so far has failed to capture strong attention or a following from the mainstream. I truly doubt the graphically poorer port of a multiplatform game on a system the developers are giving the least amount of attention to is going to be a console mover for nintendo.
 
On this note, if they do take the alternate route, which I agree is more logical, I think they should focus heavily on keeping the price point lower than they did with the Wii U.

Selling it as a system that you buy in addition to another one might be an easier sell, and it will also be an easier sell to audiences who aren't heavily invested in mainstream AAAA games to the point where price point isn't nearly as large of an issue.


Yup. They really need to get the price down ASAP.
 
Madden is only being released on 360/PS3 when it bows in August. No Vita, no PC, no DS either.

Or iOS, or Android or Facebook.

The Madden demographic has clearly ossified around the Playstation and Xbox. It doesn't mean that all those other platforms don't have an audience; it just means that the demographic which loves games like NFL Madden are heavily centralized on Sony/MS home consoles.
 
Wii U Party won't sell.

I've no idea why they are wasting time on that ahead of Wii Sports U. Even Mario Party would have been smarter.

Wii Party only sold OK off the back of the Wii Sports and Wii Fit phenomenon. A complete waste of resources at the moment as the game won't sell hardware and the fanbase isn't there to buy the software.

Wii Party U might sell "okay", but won't sell many consoles; I agree there.

What they should have done is absorbed the entirety of Wii Party U into a new Wii Sports U; making a massive compilation of sports and games, then do a hardware bundle this winter. That would move a hell of a lot more consoles.

Wii Sports was the "main course" that brought everyone to the table. Fit, Play, Party, etc were the side dishes people picked up afterwards.

Why Nintendo is focusing on the side dishes first this time is beyond me.
 
WiiU is going to tank this holiday season. All the hype and press is going to be about the new HD twins.

There are almost no realistic scenarios where Wii U doesn't outsell both of the other new consoles this holiday season, if for no other reason that the other two will be supply constrained. XBONE and PS4 will sell every unit that hit shelves, sure, but that will still be less total units than the Wii U sells.

I worked at Toys 'R' Us in 2006. This happened two dozen times a day: "Do you guys have any Wiis? No? Well I have to buy something, I'll take a Xbox 360/PS3." Reggie lamented this phenomena many many times when people would accuse them of intentionally throttling supply.
 
If their lack of support was down to poor sales of WiiU after the holidays, then that would imply they had every intention of supporting the console up to that point. This in turn would imply that they had games in development, lined up for 2013. Any evidence that they did?
 
Are people going to buy a wiiU for it? Are people going to buy a wiiU for it on the heels of the massive onslaught of games and marketing for the next gen sony and microsoft systems?

The gamepad so far has failed to capture strong attention or a following from the mainstream. I truly doubt the graphically poorer port of a multiplatform game on a system the developers are giving the least amount of attention to is going to be a console mover for nintendo.

no, i dont think people are going to buy a wii U for those games specifically, but it will sell this holiday, just as everything does. Not for one game specifically, but for the total. And it is the holidays. Given, i still think they need to drop the delux to 300
 
If their lack of support was down to poor sales of WiiU after the holidays, then that would imply they had every intention of supporting the console up to that point. This in turn would imply that they had games in development, lined up for 2013. Any evidence that they did?

of course not, because none of them really did. The system didnt start tanking until january, and games like tomb raider would have been deep in development long before then.
 
There are almost no realistic scenarios where Wii U doesn't outsell both of the other new consoles this holiday season, if for no other reason that the other two will be supply constrained. XBONE and PS4 will sell every unit that hit shelves, sure, but that will still be less total units than the Wii U sells.

I worked at Toys 'R' Us in 2006. This happened two dozen times a day: "Do you guys have any Wiis? No? Well I have to buy something, I'll take a Xbox 360/PS3." Reggie lamented this phenomena many many times when people would accuse them of intentionally throttling supply.

Back when I thought we were getting Kart and a "real" 3D Mario game (not a 3DS followup) before the end of the year, I predicted in one or two of the threads that Wii U would be the best selling console in Q4 2013 (even if it dropped off more than PS4/xbone early next year). But now I'm not so sure...
 
If their lack of support was down to poor sales of WiiU after the holidays, then that would imply they had every intention of supporting the console up to that point. This in turn would imply that they had games in development, lined up for 2013. Any evidence that they did?

EA probably had studios dedicating development to Wii U ports of more of their games.

When sales came rolling in and EA saw abysmal underperformance, those ports were quietly cancelled save for Most Wanted U.
 
I Do not understand why EA does not simply give fifa and madden a roster update and releases them on the eshop only for 40 bucks. No risk of overprinting and really small costs
 
It's the responsibility of one of the biggest sports-title developers to provide the system with great sports titles, but EA failed horribly at that. Their ports were fucking aweful - that's a fact. They sold poorly, because early adopters - just like any other consumers, but maybe even more so - are not stupid and much more aware of the details surrounding those ports.

It's also a fact - EA gives same half assed ports to every other launching platform. But those games sell because those platforms offer big leap over previous gens.

So it's Nintendo problem that they designed hardware to not offer any improvement over 7 years old competitors and noone had a reason to buy Wii U version over PS3/X360 versions.
 
of course not, because none of them really did. The system didnt start tanking until january, and games like tomb raider would have been deep in development long before then.


Exactly. If they were waiting on sales, they weren't in a position to capitalise either way.

If WiiU had continued to sell well through to April for example, what would EA have done then? There was nothing in the pipeline afawk. Nothing that would be ready in that timescale anyhow.
 
There are almost no realistic scenarios where Wii U doesn't outsell both of the other new consoles this holiday season, if for no other reason that the other two will be supply constrained. XBONE and PS4 will sell every unit that hit shelves, sure, but that will still be less total units than the Wii U sells.
Would you be surprised if Wii U sold less software though than either Xbone or PS4? Because I wouldn't be.
 
... I predicted in one or two of the threads that Wii U would be the best selling console in Q4 2013 ... But now I'm not so sure...

No, indeed. I too assumed Nintendo would release Kart and a huge new Mario this holiday, propelling themselves to great instead. Instead, we get no Kart and a really safe Mario. I also take my prediction.
 
I Do not understand why EA does not simply give fifa and madden a roster update and releases them on the eshop only for 40 bucks. No risk of overprinting and really small costs

Speaking of roster updates, I wonder if they'll give Madden 13 this year's roster updates since there won't be a game this year.

HAHAHAHA

What was I thinking?? Of course they won't.
 
On this note, if they do take the alternate route, which I agree is more logical, I think they should focus heavily on keeping the price point lower than they did with the Wii U.

Selling it as a system that you buy in addition to another one might be an easier sell, and it will also be an easier sell to audiences who aren't heavily invested in mainstream AAAA games to the point where price point isn't nearly as large of an issue.

Yep. They seem to have thought they could do both with the wiiU and ended up succeeding at neither.

Nintendo would probably do incredible if they simplified their business model to offer one sku at a low, low entry price and just focused the hardware to be cheap, easy to develop for and focused its library on a mix of casual friendly titles, japanese developers, indie games and marquee Nintendo franchises(as others have pointed out). They should probably also get on the ball with online functionality and support too. being so far behind in that department in 2013 is unacceptable.

Carve out their own niche as you say. Become an easy impulse buy. Nintendo will always have their nintendo fans, so the key IMO is to ensure either they can survive off that fanbase alone or in addition to carve out an audience that is different from the other two console makers.
 
Nintendo would probably do incredible if they simplified their business model to offer one sku at a low, low entry price and just focused the hardware to be cheap, easy to develop for and focused its library on a mix of casual friendly titles, japanese developers, indie games and marquee Nintendo franchises(as others have pointed out). They should probably also get on the ball with online functionality and support too. being so far behind in that department in 2013 is unacceptable.

I agree with you up to the bolded point. What don't you like about Nintendo's online? It's pretty much identical to the others, but free.
 
Exactly. Nintendo should be trying to differentiate itself from the competition as best it can. More 1st party output, indie support, and Japanese development.

I know they have said they are doing #1, it looks like they are doing #2, but #3 doesn't look like it is happening.

If this is the path they take then they need to work on the Japanese development. I see nothing on this front when it comes to the Wii U and there is no indicator that Nintendo will be at TGS when they need to be since they are not dominating Japan with the Wii U. The little we do see seems to be focused on Japan only. GTAV is not coming to the Wii U. I said this in another thread. The Yakuza game should be getting a release outside of Japan, even if it was just digital, so there is something similar on the Wii U. The big indicator for this going forward I think is Resident Evil. If the next new entry to that game misses the Wii U we have a massive problem.

As much as indie support is nice there is a big problem here in terms of diversity. All I see are platformers of various types on the indie side of things. That combined with Nintendo's offerings or the offerings they prefer to spotlight is an issue.
 
Sports fans WERE there, Mr. Wilson, and the idea that 'Nintendo fans don't like or play sports' is one of the biggest bullshits because they very much exist on Nintendo consoles. Or else Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus wouldn't have been the outstanding successes they were, and smashing multiple records in the process. Even EA titles such as EA Playground and Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009 All-Play were million-sellers. But many fans within that user base feel ripped off, and quite understandably, as one can find in the links below. Subsequent products haven't done as well on Nintendo consoles as they could have done because those fans won't forget that.

Angel Whispers said:
EA pulled this stunt and this stunt with the Fifa games (they deceived Vita owners, too). Some want to blame Nintendo fans (i.e., the customers) because of their own agenda, but the reality is that when they have practices such as this, wouldn't that affect YOUR customer confidence in EA products? THAT is why their more recent products haven't been as successful as they could have been on Nintendo platforms. THAT, then their decision to drop their degree of support or neglect that set of customers. THAT, and the decision to release a trilogy alongside a single entry, then charge those customers full price while offering other platforms significantly better value for money. That last point is critically important in the current economic climate, because the same customers have much to consider before they part with their money, and for computer games, and for a lot of them, that's becoming an increasingly difficult. When you're voted the worst company and your business defends that title, then perhaps it's time to look within, to look at what you could do as a business to restore customers' faith, not antagonise Nintendo fans. Let us also remember that these fans have a history of supporting EA products, with many million-sellers on the Wii and GameCube. They were successful on the Wii up to a point, and with a good number of titles. Nintendo fans were genuinely excited at the prospect of an 'unprecedented partnership' - Battlefield, Mass Effect, NFS all possibilities on Nintendo's first HD console. But they remember all of the rotten events above, and certain figures at EA telling lies and being cuntish. That said, I do feel that while the state of relations appear to be a mess, I believe that it is rectifiable. I also believe that there are plenty of fans and prospective Wii U owners who would love to buy their games. Cases in point? Need For Speed: Underground 1 & 2 were million-sellers on the GameCube, which is actually an impressive sale-user base ratio. NFS: Carbon was a million seller on the Wii, too. People can knee-jerk all they want about the NFS: Most Wanted Wii U sales, but it's a fact that it wasn't released on a level playing field, and at one point, Wii U owners didn't know it was coming at all, then they were told to buy the game in the hope that they MIGHT be supported with its DLC. So, that's what happened between EA and Nintendo fans. I don't whitewash Nintendo themselves in all of this; Elsewhere, I wrote:

Getting the better/final kits out earlier should have been imperative. I think this measure would've crushed development concerns which came out in in 2011. If you remember, Battlefield 3 was pencilled in for a Wii U release (which ran on Frostbite 2). It was soon cancelled. The kits had seen many improvements since then. If you remember the 'horrible processor' comments, again, these were on early kits during Darksiders 2 development. I suspect that the recent EA storm was in relation to those events, and that they hadn't come back to it since - you could, however, release a Fifa 13 (what some called Version 12.5 with GamePad features, not Frostbite 2, but still an EA game on the platform). MOH: Warfighter (also Frostbite 2) was another title listed in the launch window reel, but never saw a release. So, in this case, I would be critical of Nintendo.

To summarise, EA have much to do to restore customer confidence in their products, especially for those fans. There are plenty of Nintendo fans who would be ready, willing and able to support their games. For Nintendo, they must ensure that all EA developers have the final kits, as well as provide all the necessary help, and perhaps EA can look to Criterion to see how they can get more out of the Wii U. I believe that they will bring games to the console in the future, as well as titles which will exist on the XBoxOne and PS4, but they must adopt a better attitude and approach if the disillusioned fans/customers are to return, and if they are to enjoy more success there.
 
There are almost no realistic scenarios where Wii U doesn't outsell both of the other new consoles this holiday season, if for no other reason that the other two will be supply constrained. XBONE and PS4 will sell every unit that hit shelves, sure, but that will still be less total units than the Wii U sells.

I worked at Toys 'R' Us in 2006. This happened two dozen times a day: "Do you guys have any Wiis? No? Well I have to buy something, I'll take a Xbox 360/PS3." Reggie lamented this phenomena many many times when people would accuse them of intentionally throttling supply.

Its possible. However given that both consoles are using modified off the shelf parts I could see supply being more abundant then during the 360 and ps3 launches.
 
There are almost no realistic scenarios where Wii U doesn't outsell both of the other new consoles this holiday season, if for no other reason that the other two will be supply constrained. XBONE and PS4 will sell every unit that hit shelves, sure, but that will still be less total units than the Wii U sells.

If we are talking about NPD, the scenario would be that we don't see a drastic increase in Wii U sales prior to November/December. I know that Nintendo consoles usually fair well during holiday periods, but Wii U sales in the US are currently the lowest that any major console has ever been since at least the Dreamcast (if not the Saturn). As Durante mentioned, it's doing less than half the sales that the PS3 was doing back in 2007 when we used to joke about the race between it and the GBA every month. Japan sales aren't any better.

The PS3 moved ~1.25M units in the US during Nov/Dec 2007. Wii moved 1.1M in its two launch months. If either new console has a better supply chain than the 2006 Wii (and adequate demand), or if the Wii U continues to fall short of the PS3's already low sales, we could see the new consoles outselling it this holiday.
 
Would you be surprised if Wii U sold less software though than either Xbone or PS4? Because I wouldn't be.

XBONE and PS4 will sell... 4 million a piece? What attach rate is normal for a console launch? 2.0 seems pretty optimistic, so that's 8 million pieces of software?

You don't think Nintendo alone will sell eight million across Pikmin, SM3DW, DKC:TF, WWHD, and Wii Fit? And then there are the big multiplat games, that certainly won't do as well as PS360, but won't sell 0 copies each? And Rayman and Sonic and Scribblenauts, all third party games that historically sell very well on Nintendo hardware?
 
Wii Party U might sell "okay", but won't sell many consoles; I agree there.

What they should have done is absorbed the entirety of Wii Party U into a new Wii Sports U; making a massive compilation of sports and games, then do a hardware bundle this winter. That would move a hell of a lot more consoles.

Wii Sports was the "main course" that brought everyone to the table. Fit, Play, Party, etc were the side dishes people picked up afterwards.

Why Nintendo is focusing on the side dishes first this time is beyond me.

I still think converting it to Mario Party would be wiser. That's far more likely to move systems in Japan at least.

Of course there's a new Mario Party for the 3DS ..but that seems foolish to me as well. I mean Nintendo are giving the mass market fewer reasons to buy their console hardware as many of their big titles are now also on 3DS .

Who knows how much Smash Bros 3DS may damage the uptake of Wii U hardware and Smash Bros U.
 
rayman sold best on the wii, i bet that version does best, and i think watchdogs will put up decent numbers (not as good as ps3/360 but good), if it uses the gamepad in cool ways and isnt gimped, the rest i expect to do much less than the 360/ps3 versions, but that should be expected given the disparity in userbase sizes

I have yet to see a single video of the Wii U version of Watch Dogs. Is Ubisoft even trying to hype this version a bit? It seems the Gamepad would be perfect for it with the touchscreen, i mean the main character always have some sort of smart phone with him!
 
Andrew Wilson is a delusional liar - Sports fans WERE there, and the idea that 'Nintendo fans don't like or play sports' is one of the biggest bullshits. They very much exist on Nintendo consoles. Or else Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus wouldn't have been the outstanding successes they were. Even EA titles such as EA Playground and Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009 All-Play were million-sellers. But EA decided to rip the fans off, and subsequent products haven't done as well on Nintendo consoles as they could have done because those fans won't forget that.

I would stay away from hyperbole of this nature. Not only do I think it's false, but more importantly, I don't think it fosters conversation. You can take the same basic idea (I think Andrew Wilson is wrong) and frame it differently to produce more intelligent discourse.
 
The U truly is a fantastic system,
From a performance point of view. It's a barely adequate system. But overall, I do like it.

but Nintendo needs to show consumers more of it! Their demo stations are bullshit, with no games to play, or Miiverse to interact with. They're doing a terrible job of selling it to consumers.

Yeah. I agree. They are not generating any hype at all for the system.
 
XBONE and PS4 will sell... 4 million a piece? What attach rate is normal for a console launch? 2.0 seems pretty optimistic, so that's 8 million pieces of software?

You don't think Nintendo alone will sell eight million across Pikmin, SM3DW, DKC:TF, WWHD, and Wii Fit? And then there are the big multiplat games, that certainly won't do as well as PS360, but won't sell 0 copies each? And Rayman and Sonic and Scribblenauts, all third party games that historically sell very well on Nintendo hardware?
I think in November and December PS4 and Xbone will sell more units of software in North America than Wii U.
 
Andrew Wilson is a delusional liar - Sports fans WERE there. They very much exist on Nintendo consoles. Or else Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus wouldn't have been the outstanding successes they were. Even EA titles such as EA Playground and Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009 All-Play were million-sellers. But EA decided to rip the fans off, and subsequent products haven't done as well on Nintendo consoles as they could have done because those fans won't forget that.

I dont think anyone would accuse EA of being an honorable company or even the smartest business either, it is true however that EA sports tiles, the marquee ones, sold a lot worse on wii then ps3 or xbox.

I think we both know that there is a stark difference between Madden and wii Sports. Both in gameplay style and the customers that follow it.

EA saw success on wii with casual friendly titles that followed the lead of Nintendos successes. Tiger Woods was the perfect blend of casual friendliness into a more hardcore sports franchise. When they released their more marquee franchises they saw less success in comparison to the other consoles.

And at the end of the day it doesnt matter if 90% of wiiU owners would buy a solid Madden port. If the total install base is that small and they can move more units on the ps3/360 or expect a larger install base on the ps4/xbone they are going to focus their attention there.
 
There are almost no realistic scenarios where Wii U doesn't outsell both of the other new consoles this holiday season, if for no other reason that the other two will be supply constrained. XBONE and PS4 will sell every unit that hit shelves, sure, but that will still be less total units than the Wii U sells.

I worked at Toys 'R' Us in 2006. This happened two dozen times a day: "Do you guys have any Wiis? No? Well I have to buy something, I'll take a Xbox 360/PS3." Reggie lamented this phenomena many many times when people would accuse them of intentionally throttling supply.

WiiU is nothing like Wii. Even if Xbox One and PS4 is constrained. They will both sell more then WiiU this holiday season.
 
XBONE and PS4 will sell... 4 million a piece?

If PS4 and xbone sell 4 million each by the end of 2013, Wii U probably has no chance of outselling either one.

Luckily, i doubt either one will sell 4 million by the end of 2013. The original Wii only sold a little over 3 million by the end of 2006 iirc, and that was at a very mass market price while hitting it huge as a craze/fad. I realize it was supply constrained, but PS4/xbone will be too, especially xbone if the rumors about poor yields are correct.
 
I have yet to see a single video of the Wii U version of Watch Dogs. Is Ubisoft even trying to hype this version a bit? It seems the Gamepad would be perfect for it with the touchscreen, i mean the main character always have some sort of smart phone with him!

i agree, its def. concerning. have we seen it actually running on ps4 or xbone hardware either though, and not a PC with "comparitable specs". but thats why i say if it is a good version of it, and not gimped in some way, and has good gamepad integration i think it could sell well, and possibly (although highly highly unlikely) beat out the xbone and ps4 versions, just due to supply constraints
 
Sports fans WERE there, Mr. Wilson, and the idea that 'Nintendo fans don't like or play sports' is one of the biggest bullshits because they very much exist on Nintendo consoles. Or else Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus wouldn't have been the outstanding successes they were, and smashing multiple records in the process. Even EA titles such as EA Playground and Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009 All-Play were million-sellers. But EA decided to rip the fans off, and subsequent products haven't done as well on Nintendo consoles as they could have done because those fans won't forget that.

You are really stretching the definition of "sports fan" if you are using Wii Sports/Wii Fit to back up your argument.
 
WiiU is nothing like Wii. Even if Xbox One and PS4 is constrained. They will both sell more then WiiU this holiday season.

if the wii u drops the delux to 300, it will easily outsell teh xbone at 500 during the holiday imo

EDIT: assuming the actually market the thing well and have the demo stations fixed
 
they need enough people to turn a profit... if nintendo starts selling their titles like crazy... and moving consoles... ea and the rest will come


Nintendo situation isn't about any third party in general... it is about nintendo.

They failed to capitalize on the market they created and now they have to work from scratch. Once they do that... people will come.

I still believe they should drop the deluxe console price down to 299... it needs to happen or there will be a funeral during the holidays.
 
I think in November and December PS4 and Xbone will sell more units of software in North America than Wii U.

I see you've modified this a bit by limiting it to North America, but I still disagree.

Do you mean the two of them combined? What attach rate would they have to reach in order to outsell the Wii U? 3.0? 4.0? Higher? Conversely, are you arguing that the Wii U is going to just flop that bad? That all those Wii U sequels in series that sell very well won't sell very well anymore? Remember, NSMBU has already sold north of 2 million copies, so clearly hindered by the install base but still very strong.

What XBONE/PS4 game is going to be so hot that it pushes their software sales over Wii U's?

I think XBONE/PS4 will do relatively better than Wii U (i.e. they sell out and Wii U doesn't do well enough to reach forecasts/goals), but Wii U should still do better raw numbers across the board than either.
 
I see you've modified this a bit by limiting it to North America, but I still disagree.

Do you mean the two of them combined? What attach rate would they have to reach in order to outsell the Wii U? 3.0? 4.0? Higher? Conversely, are you arguing that the Wii U is going to just flop that bad? That all those Wii U sequels in series that sell very well won't sell very well anymore? Remember, NSMBU has already sold north of 2 million copies, so clearly hindered by the install base but still very strong.

What XBONE/PS4 game is going to be so hot that it pushes their software sales over Wii U's?

I think XBONE/PS4 will do relatively better than Wii U (i.e. they sell out and Wii U doesn't do well enough to reach forecasts/goals), but Wii U should still do better raw numbers across the board than either.

He probably means for those two months, not LTD.
 
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