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[darkstar0155]

He probably means for those two months, not LTD.

if the wii u drops the delux to 300, it will still beat the ps4/xbone, due to supply constraints and price differences alone. Given it probably wouldnt beat the combined base of the ps4/xbone together, but individually i think it would be hard to not beat them with just decent marketing

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Its possible. However given that both consoles are using modified off the shelf parts I could see supply being more abundant then during the 360 and ps3 launches.

We've already heard of manufacturing issues for Microsoft at least though. On the other hand, they're not aiming at a worldwide launch this year either (is PS4)?

 

[cyberheater]

if the wii u drops the delux to 300, it will easily outsell teh xbone at 500 during the holiday imo

EDIT: assuming the actually market the thing well and have the demo stations fixed

Now that MS have backtracked on DRM. I don't think so. Just look at the launch titles. It kills the library to date of WiiU

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Dead Rising 3
FIFA 14
Forza Motorsport 5
Just Dance 2014
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
LocoCycle
Madden NFL 25
NBA 2K14
NBA Live 14
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports
Ryse: Son of Rome
Skylanders

 

[darkstar0155]

Now that MS have backtracked on DRM. I don't think so. Just look at the launch titles. It kills the library to date of WiiU

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Dead Rising 3
FIFA 14
Forza Motorsport 5
Just Dance 2014
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
LocoCycle
Madden NFL 25
NBA 2K14
NBA Live 14
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports
Ryse: Son of Rome
Skylanders

but the system will be $200.00 more, and supply constrained. $500 is a lot harder for a parent to justify than $300.00 with a game already included. And while MS has backtracked, i think it has left a lot of gamers with a sour taste, and the ps4 is still $100 cheaper

 

[kswiston]

Now that MS have backtracked on DRM. I don't think so. Just look at the launch titles. It kills the library to date of WiiU

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Dead Rising 3
FIFA 14
Forza Motorsport 5
Just Dance 2014
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
LocoCycle
Madden NFL 25
NBA 2K14
NBA Live 14
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports
Ryse: Son of Rome
Skylanders

As is the case with every launch in the history of launches, some of those exclusive titles will quietly slip into 1st quarter 2014.

 

[Vagabundo]

Now that MS have backtracked on DRM. I don't think so. Just look at the launch titles. It kills the library to date of WiiU

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Dead Rising 3
FIFA 14
Forza Motorsport 5
Just Dance 2014
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
LocoCycle
Madden NFL 25
NBA 2K14
NBA Live 14
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports
Ryse: Son of Rome
Skylanders

It's all a matter of opinion TBH, there are far more games I rather play on the Wii U. That list is pretty meh to me.

 

[cyberheater]

but the system will be $200.00 more, and supply constrained. $500 is a lot harder for a parent to justify than $300.00 with a game already included. And while MS has backtracked, i think it has left a lot of gamers with a sour taste, and the ps4 is still $100 cheaper

Although I agree a lot with what you said. The difference is that a lot of folks have already written the WiiU off and think it lacks a future. On the other hand the Xbox One is brand new and the games for it look visually fantastic and it comes across as a true next gen system relative to capability. That will count for a lot.

 

[darkstar0155]

It's all a matter of opinion TBH, there are far more games I rather play on the Wii U. That list is pretty meh to me.

and lets remove the multiplats, and sports games, which people dont buy next gen systems for (even though they may pick up the games for it)

Battlefield 4 (is this coming to PS4?)
Dead Rising 3
Forza Motorsport 5
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (isnt this multiplat too?, either way this isnt going to drive sales)
LocoCycle
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports
Ryse: Son of Rome

and like the above said, some of these will slip to Q1

 

[cyberheater]

As is the case with every launch in the history of launches, some of those exclusive titles will quietly slip into 1st quarter 2014.

And the launch window for WiiU is what now. At least 8 months...

 

[Angel Whispers]

I dont think anyone would accuse EA of being an honorable company or even the smartest business either, it is true however that EA sports tiles, the marquee ones, sold a lot worse on wii then ps3 or xbox.

I think we both know that there is a stark difference between Madden and wii Sports. Both in gameplay style and the customers that follow it.

EA saw success on wii with casual friendly titles that followed the lead of Nintendos successes. Tiger Woods was the perfect blend of the two. When they released their more marquee franchises they saw less success in comparison to the other consoles.

And at the end of the day it doesnt matter if 90% of wiiU owners would buy a solid Madden port. If the total install base is that small and they can move more units on the ps3/360 or expect a larger install base on the ps4/xbone they are going to focus their attention there.

I am not doubting that the PS360 versions sold more copies of Fifa, Madden, etc. than the Wii - They were more powerful, for one, and they were able to do more graphically, and in terms of feature set (better online facilities, for example). I would also put it to you that many people who owned a Wii also owned one of those consoles, or both, in some cases. Still, fans of such games appreciate the graphical element very much - they like to see a realistic Ronaldo or Messi, and feel as if they are those players performing on the pitch, and that's a part of the experience that EA hope to achieve. But that isn't the point I was getting at. I was rather highlighting that sports fans do exist on Nintendo consoles, and the fact that they've had million-sellers there shows that there is room for growth. Also, it shows that there are people who would love to buy their games, and who would have loved to buy their games - At least, the state of affairs wasn't such that they had to abandon them completely, or put them in the boot. But when they do a copy-and-paste job as they did with Fifa 13 on the Wii, it's a kick in the teeth for those people - this is the other point I was getting at. If your games aren't selling on their platforms, then as a business, surely you would want to understand WHY, and not blame the fans, who are their customers? When those customers hear of people at EA trashing their consoles, what else are they supposed to think except "Well, they think the console is rubbish, so they won't care for anything they put on it... therefore, why should we have any confidence in their games on there?". Instead, a lot of the narrative dismisses valid concerns as 'raging fanpeople', and that is both low and deeply unfair. That said, I did explain in the post that I felt the whole mess was rectifiable.

 

[cyberheater]

and lets remove the multiplats, and sports games, which people dont buy next gen systems for (even though they may pick up the games for it)

What are you talking about. Of course folks buy systems for multi platform and sport games. The Xbox 360 was the multi platform and sports game king. A very compelling reason to buy the machine.

That cannot be said for WiiU.

 

[darkstar0155]

Although I agree a lot with what you said. The difference is that a lot of folks have already written the WiiU off and think it lacks a future. On the other hand the Xbox One is brand new and the games for it look visually fantastic and it comes across as a true next gen system relative to capability. That will count for a lot.

i dont know if a lot of core gamers will propel it to success or pick it up (probably not), but the mainstream doesnt know anything about it being "written off" and as always been the case, has shown to not care to much about graphical fidelity

 

[jaz013]

They just come out and say "The people at Nintendo looked at us funny when we proposed the WiiU to be Origin(TM) only, so we gimped our launch offerings in bitterness and we still blame them for that. The nerve of some people!".

First SimCity and then they drop one of the best features EVER on a futbol game. No thanks EA, and don't even try again.

 

[neorej]

and lets remove the multiplats, and sports games, which people dont buy next gen systems for (even though they may pick up the games for it)

Battlefield 4 (is this coming to PS4?)
Dead Rising 3
Forza Motorsport 5
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (isnt this multiplat too?, either way this isnt going to drive sales)
LocoCycle
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports
Ryse: Son of Rome

and like the above said, some of these will slip to Q1

Bf4 and Lego Marvel are multiplat.

 

[darkstar0155]

What are you talking about. Of course folks buy systems for multi platform and sport games. The Xbox 360 was the multi platform and sports game king. A very compelling reason to buy the machine.

That cannot be said for WiiU.

Sorry, I meant when someone is deciding to buy a xbone over a ps4 or vice versa, plus most of those are coming to the 360/ps3, wich further dilutes their affect. New original exlusive to next gen games move new consoles imo.

 

[cyberheater]

but the mainstream doesnt know anything about it being "written off"

I don't know how they can fail to notice. There is literally no shelf space in my ASDA, Tesco's or Sainsburys for any WiiU games. None.

There is a small section in my local Gamestation. Once the new HD twins arrive I can imagine that space to vanish.

I can really see a situation that as far as the high street is concerned. The WiiU doesn't exist.

So call it what you will. Written off. Marginalised. It doesn't matter. As far as retail is concerned. It's already dead. It's real and it's happening.

 

[RGVNOE]

Xbox one owners will buy third party games.

If Wii U got proper 3rd party support from them maybe they would buy them too. Instead they get nothing new with any of the new engines just late overpriced ports with missing content.

 

[Angel Whispers]

You are really stretching the definition of "sports fan" if you are using Wii Sports/Wii Fit to back up your argument.

No, I don't feel that I'm stretching anything. They play differently to Madden or Fifa, but all can fit and co-exist under the wider umbrella of Sports, Health & Fitness. Of course, you're welcome to disagree .

 

[darkstar0155]

I don't know how they can fail to notice. There is literally no shelf space in my ASDA, Tesco's or Sainsburys for any WiiU games. None.

There is a small section in my local Gamestation. Once the new HD twins arrive I can imagine that space to vanish.

I can really see a situation that as far as the high street is concerned. The WiiU doesn't exist.

So call it what you will. Written off. Marginalised. It doesn't matter. As far as retail is concerned. It's already dead. It's real and it's happening.

where abouts do you live? i know my local gamespots, best buys and toys r us' (which is probably where most holiday sales will come from) all still have wii u sections

 

[cyberheater]

where abouts do you live? i know my local gamespots, best buys and toys r us' (which is probably where most holiday sales will come from) all still have wii u sections

UK.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

We had a strong offering on Wii U at launch.

If that was a strong offering, I'd hate to see a weak offering.

 

[Sendou]

Strong offering? Is he seriously saying that? EA has made only one good effort on Wii U and that is Most Wanted U. Before that released they cut all their support for the platform.

 

[AOC83]

If that was a strong offering, I'd hate to see a weak offering.

Well, compared to Nintendos offering it was.

 

[darkstar0155]

UK.

ah, in that market i think the ps4 may outsell the wii u, but still doubtful. But isnt the xbone going to be even more expensive then the ps3 was at launch?

 

[remnant]

Some people are living in denial. Its not EA or Ubi responsibility to carry this platform. Its Nintendo. Hell everyone, including Iwata admits it, but some people are just....man

 

[cyberheater]

ah, in that market i think the ps4 may outsell the wii u, but still doubtful. But isnt the xbone going to be even more expensive then the ps3 was at launch?

Yes it is. Around £80 more then the PS4. MS still have time to remove the mandatory kinect and sell it at the same price.

 

[RGVNOE]

Why would EA or any third party put any effort into a launch lineup when even Nintendo didn't? It's going to be nearly a year before we get a big 1st party Wii U post-launch game. That's pitiful. It's EA's job to build a userbase and build an audience and they have failed miserably. There is no indication that there is an audience at all outside of Super Mario Bros., let alone one that will buy EA games.

3rd parties constantly complain about competing with Nintendos titles and then Nintendo gives them an opportunity to get games out without having to compete with them and they can't capitalize on it, how is that Nintendos fault they aren't the ones removing content

 

[PhoenixDark]

So if WiiU will start to sell, EA is in.

.

It's a disaster of a system thus far, but if that changes EA will jump on board. It's business, not personal. Honestly I don't expect the WiiU to ever move beyond being a niche system that under performs compared to next gen and current gen systems.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Now that MS have backtracked on DRM. I don't think so. Just look at the launch titles. It kills the library to date of WiiU

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Dead Rising 3
FIFA 14
Forza Motorsport 5
Just Dance 2014
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
LocoCycle
Madden NFL 25
NBA 2K14
NBA Live 14
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports
Ryse: Son of Rome
Skylanders

By the time Xbone launches Wii U will be over 100 retail titles on shelves. Including some of those games on your list.

 

[The_Lump]

Well, compared to Nintendos offering it was.

That doesn't make it a strong offering.


And besides, New 2D Mario and NintendoLand is a bit stronger than gimped Fifa 12.1, Madden 12.1 and an obselete, overpriced, poorly ported finale to a series which was available in its entirety for half the price on rival consoles (ME3).

 

[darkstar0155]

Yes it is. Around £80 more then the PS4. MS still have time to remove the mandatory kinect and sell it at the same price.

sorry, i meant isnt it more expensive then the ps three was at launch? For some reason i remember hearing this, and i dont remember the cost in the UK of the ps3 at launch

 

[Snowden's Secret]

Why would EA or any third party put any effort into a launch lineup when even Nintendo didn't? It's going to be nearly a year before we get a big 1st party Wii U post-launch game. That's pitiful. It's EA's job to build a userbase and build an audience and they have failed miserably. There is no indication that there is an audience at all outside of Super Mario Bros., let alone one that will buy EA games.

What effort isn't in Nintendo's end of the launch? What should have been there that wasn't?

We got a brand new Mario game, and an incredible collection of Wii U proof of concepts.

Which other first party is going to bring more to the table than that on launch day?

 

[lwilliams3]

I don't know how they can fail to notice. There is literally no shelf space in my ASDA, Tesco's or Sainsburys for any WiiU games. None.

There is a small section in my local Gamestation. Once the new HD twins arrive I can imagine that space to vanish.

I can really see a situation that as far as the high street is concerned. The WiiU doesn't exist.

So call it what you will. Written off. Marginalised. It doesn't matter. As far as retail is concerned. It's already dead. It's real and it's happening.

That may change after Nintendo restarts the Wii U ads and begin to constantly release games. Wii U was basically in hibernation up to this point.

 

[cyberheater]

sorry, i meant isnt it more expensive then the ps three was at launch? For some reason i remember hearing this, and i dont remember the cost in the UK of the ps3 at launch

£5 more then the PS3 launch price.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

So if WiiU will start to sell, EA is in.

Isn't this kind of a "no duh?" Haha.

 

[darkstar0155]

£5 more then the PS3 launch price.

ah, well that difference is pretty meaningless. How did the ps3 do at launch? And at that time wasnt the playstatoin brand the big brand at the time?

 

[DragonSworne]

People saying that EA didn't have a good lineup for the Wii U need to admit it was still better than what Nintendo had to offer at launch.

 

[RGVNOE]

Anyone who is "mad" at EA just doesn't get it- this isn't a move out of spite, it's purely financial.

Also- the chicken/egg argument doesn't work, namely because sports games dont really sell systems, but more importantly- why should EA bear the risk when Nintendo can?

we know that every company in the industry needs to make money no one is arguing that. But they complain their games aren't selling on the console, but how do they expect people to buy them when before they release them they tell people future dlc will not be coming, or it is last years game with just updated rosters while other versions will get many more features. Or in ME case revealing the Trilogy for the same price on other consoles.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

People saying that EA didn't have a good lineup for the Wii U need to admit it was still better than what Nintendo had to offer at launch.

People need to stop saying this. It's been said like two dozen times in this thread. I guess it's supposed to be some sort of zinger? But it's patently untrue.

Nintendo presented two brand new, exclusive games, one of them a new IP that consisted of gameplay ideas never seen before in any game ever because they were impossible/very impractical to do before.

What did EA have again? An almost year late port of a multiplat game that isn't fully featured that also happened to come out two weeks after they released a compilation of all three games at a cheaper price. (Were there any other EA games at launch?)

 

[AmFreak]

People need to stop saying this. It's been said like two dozen times in this thread. I guess it's supposed to be some sort of zinger? But it's patently untrue.

Nintendo presented two brand new, exclusive games, one of them a new IP that consisted of gameplay ideas never seen before in any game ever because they were impossible/very impractical to do before.

What did EA have again? An almost year late port of a multiplat game that isn't fully featured that also happened to come out two weeks after they released a compilation of all three games at a cheaper price. (Were there any other EA games at launch?)

I like that you say "People need to stop saying this" and then basicly say that u have no idea what EA brought to the launch.
They also brought Madden and Fifa.
And by that they had more games for the launch then any other company outside Ubisoft.

 

[DragonSworne]

Nintendo presented two brand new, exclusive games, one of them a new IP that consisted of gameplay ideas never seen before in any game ever because they were impossible/very impractical to do before.

That's a lot of nice words to describe yet another NSMB game and a mini game collection.

 

[Kacho]

People saying that EA didn't have a good lineup for the Wii U need to admit it was still better than what Nintendo had to offer at launch.

As far a quantity? Sure.

 

[darkstar0155]

That's a lot of nice words to describe yet another NSMB game and a mini game collection.

saying that gimped ports of last years sports games not even using the new engines and a late port of ME3 while the other consoles got a cheaper compilation of all three games are better is also a nice way to phrase it, goes both ways. Its completely subjective on what is a better value and is all preferance

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

That's a lot of nice words to describe yet another NSMB game and a mini game collection.

Which are still better than last year's sports games and the worst ME.

As far a quantity? Sure.

Even for quantity, Nintendo published 4 launch games, EA just 3.

 

[SmokyDave]

That's a lot of nice words to describe yet another NSMB game and a mini game collection.

It's funny 'cause its true!

I'd definitely take the EA lineup over the Nintendo lineup.

 

[flatearthpandas]

I feel like this quote from the OP isn't getting nearly enough attention.

Andrew Wilson: I made games on Facebook because I thought people were there that wanted to play them. Then it became apparent to me that either I had the wrong game or they weren’t there.

The guy posits that maybe the audience on Facebook, the largest social networking site in existence, isn't there. With the possibility that he had the wrong game.

Yet with the Wii U, the audience just isn't there? It isn't that the months late, feature-stripped ports with better versions on the market with better prices for literally every other console might have been "the wrong game"?

 

[Snowden's Secret]

I'm being trolled?

Regardless of whether you personally like "another NSMB" or not you can't even begin to piece together a convincing or coherent argument about how a late, gimped ME3 port is a) a better or greater effort or b) a better value (considering ME3 was $20 on other platforms and the trilogy collection came out two weeks prior, and the game NSMBU is a sequel to is still full price several years later).

 

[kswiston]

No, I don't feel that I'm stretching anything. They play differently to Madden or Fifa, but all can fit and co-exist under the wider umbrella of Sports, Health & Fitness. Of course, you're welcome to disagree .

When I think sports fans, I think people who watch sports religiously and play fantasy football/baseball/whatever. This demographic makes up a large part of the Madden demographic. While some of this demographic was also playing Wii Sports/Fit/etc, the vast majority of people playing had no special attachment to sports. They were just fun games that anyone could play. I played all of those Wii titles, and I only watch sports if someone else turned a game on. I don't buy sports games at all (besides racing), yet I have all those Wii titles.

It's sort of like arguing that the Wii should have been the home of all simulation racers last generation because Mario Kart Wii is the best selling racing game of all time.

 

[cyberheater]

That may change after Nintendo restarts the Wii U ads and begin to constantly release games. Wii U was basically in hibernation up to this point.

Nintendo had a whole year to get their shit together before the next gen arrived. They failed. I am not optimistic for WiiU at this point.
Too many stupid decisions on Nintendo's part and a poor launch line up has sealed Nintendo's fate.

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

EA really should just stop talking about the WiiU at this point. There are tons of other companies that are just as neglectful of the WiiU, if not more so. The "unprecedented partnership" has bit their PR in the ass.