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[DericLee]

All the leaks were basically confirmed - so yes, a technological judgment can be made with a very high probability of it being correct.

Yes, leaks about information.

Still no hands on with final UI/OS, final software, or final hardware.

So yeah, that info can be correct.

But reading about an experience, and participating in an experience, are two different things.

People test drive cars for a reason.

...and there is that saying about chicken's and hatching eggs too

 

[.JayZii]

Saw this on Patrick Klepek's twitter. Old?

I feel like the question mark included on the PS3 cover is important to note. Magazines put provocative questions like that on the cover all the time. The answer to that question inside the magazine issue is probably a definitive "maybe?".

I don't think what they are saying is as interesting as how they are saying it.

2006 "Has Sony already won?"

vs

2013 "This is your next console. Why the only option right now is PS4"

 

[takriel]

Well, Microsoft pretty much brought this on themselves. There's no denying how shitty their approach to next-gen is.

 

[borghe]

Not a typo, can't say the actual wording, to many jinx.







Still, we know which is the better machine before getting hands on with the final product?

hardware-wise? have you been living under a rock? Of course we know which is the "better" machine (i.e. more powerful, less expensive, less restrictive for publishing, etc)

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Then Edge was just like

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Seriously though, this must have completely destroyed Edge's relationship with Microsoft. I don't see how they can be anything but infuriated by this.

Does MS really want to risk relations with a big publication because of pride? I don't think they want to take it to that point, it might not be good for them in the long run.

Saw this on Patrick Klepek's twitter. Old?

The 2006 issue was before E3 2006, before Sony fucked up on price and their PR campaign screwed them more.

Not trying to defend it, but just to take it in account. It's not like both covers were done in the same circumstances.

 

[mr teaspoon]

Then PS4 will hit the ground running.

.....yes. All I said is that the $100 difference isn't megaton, no more and no less.

 

[watership]

This thread has been pretty damn fun to read. The passive aggressiveness. The meltdowns. The whining of "biased media!!". So great. Can't wait until the Fall when this forum goes balls deep into system wars shenanigans.

I just hope that we can still talk about.. you know.. games.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Did they?

I know they showed Halo which is probably a 2015 title, but I thought the Black Tusk game wasn't shown at E3 and they are waiting for Gamescom, which is one of their (only?) big reveal for Xbox left.

Yeah, cg trailers for sunset overdrive, halo and black tusk game at their press conference.

 

[DericLee]

hardware-wise? have you been living under a rock? Of course we know which is the "better" machine (i.e. more powerful, less expensive, less restrictive, etc)

Yeah, but my gaming experiences have never been based on hardware alone.

Not disputing the hardware in both systems.

Just saying that until we get hands on with final products, it's still not known how the experience will be over all.

It's not just about hardware, it's about the entire platform and end user experience.

We don't know how that will pan out until the systems launch.

Just saying you shouldn't judge something until you get some personal experience, and then only with the final product.

It's like saying one game will suck vs another because of how their Alpha's played.

 

[moggio]

EDGE is sold in all the major supermarkets over here and loads of people will see the cover at least on the news stand.

The might see it but they won't be buying it.

 

[asdad123]

It's not huge, at least not beyond the first year or two.

Wanna give me $100 then?

 

[CouldBeWorse]

It should be obvious that I understood the point it was trying to get across but that the jpg had an agenda. It's silly to only talk about exclusives in the context that picture is putting them in. There's no reason why people shouldn't be made aware of titles like Transistor, Hohokum, Doki Doki Universe, and Galak-Z simply because those companies weren't put under an arbitrary publisher restriction. No reason unless you're looking to push the conversation in a specific direction. Also Planetside 2 won't be coming to PS3 so it's not a cross-gen game.

I'm not sure about the agenda, but I think it was just meant to compare the two executive statements about next gen exclusives (15 for MS and 20 for Sony that aren't coming out anywhere else). I'm not defending that list, just trying to clarify its origins.

And you're right about Planetside 2 but it is on PC.

That's what a publisher does.

Exactly. So why wouldn't those games be included?

Most (if not all) of the indies on the PS4 side will also be on PC. And I'm sure some will eventually be on Xbox One through a publisher. There will also be Sony-published PS4 exclusives from indie developers that will likely get announced shortly.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

I just realized that "why your only option right now is PS4" could hint that they have insider scoop on manufacturing issues with XB1.

 

[lwilliams3]

Wow, that Edge cover is not that subtle, huh?

Saw this on Patrick Klepek's twitter. Old?

There is a major difference. The 2006 cover is in the form of a question in relatively small text. It's a bit more mysterious on what the actual verdict in the magazine for the PS3 will be. On the other-hand, the 2013 cover bluntly crowned PS4 the winner and said that Microsoft blew it.

 

[razgriz417]

I just realized that "why your only option right now is PS4" could hint that they have insider scoop on manufacturing issues with XB1.

sound probable

 

[watership]

Well, Microsoft pretty much brought this on themselves. There's no denying how shitty their approach to next-gen is.

Is or was?

 

[Pctx]

The truth hurts.

 

[Majmun]

The might see it but they won't be buying it.

But they're still sending the message across when people take a glance at it.

I mean, most of us aren't buying the magazine either. But we know what EDGE is trying to communicate.

 

[borghe]

Yeah, but my gaming experiences have never been based on hardware alone.

Not disputing the hardware in both systems.

Just saying that until we get hands on with final products, it's still not known how the experience will be over all.

It's not just about hardware, it's about the entire platform and end user experience.

We don't know how that will pan out until the systems launch.

Just saying you shouldn't judge something until you get some personal experience, and then only with the final product.

It's like saying one game will suck vs another because of how their Alpha's played.

"gaming experience" can be upgraded and improved over time.. I mean look at the 360..

hardware can't be.

so basing your "experience" with what is out in Oct/Nov 2013 probably won't be at all representative of what is out in Oct/Nov 2016. With that being said, IMHO it's smarter to base on (for early adopters) what can't change rather than what can change.

Is or was?

DRM was never the only reason for most.. even though it was by far the biggest:

forced Kinect 2
$100 more
amount of attention being given to non-gaming aspects
no self-publishing
lesser hardware to hit a price point inflated by Kinect 2 inclusion

 

[watership]

Wow, that Edge cover is not that subtle, huh?



There is a major difference. The 2006 cover is in the form of a question in relatively small text. It's a bit more mysterious on what the actual verdict in the magazine for the PS3 will be. On the other-hand, the 2013 cover bluntly crowned PS4 the winner and said that Microsoft blew it.

There is a big difference in the covers, I was just posting it because I thought it was interesting. I do think that no one can predict what console will dominate or win over the other, 5 months before launch.

 

[Pennywise]

Is or was?

Both.
They fucked up big time and still need to redeem themselves.

 

[hodgy100]

.....yes. All I said is that the $100 difference isn't megaton, no more and no less.

I agree the $100 price difference in itself is no biggie, but Microsoft don't have anything to back up that higher price bar a better Kinect device which for many day 1 buyers, is unwanted.

The price difference in the UK and Europe is larger than it is in the US. and the combination of less powerful system and the recent controversy (even if it has been reversed) makes the price seem that much worse.

 

[lwilliams3]

I feel like the question mark included on the PS3 cover is important to note. Magazines put provocative questions like that on the cover all the time. The answer to that question inside the magazine issue is probably a definitive "maybe?".

I don't think what they are saying is as interesting as how they are saying it.

2006 "Has Sony already won?"

vs

2013 "This is your next console. Why the only option right now is PS4"

Right.

 

[DericLee]

But they're still sending the message across when people take a glance at it.

I mean, most of us aren't buying the magazine either. But we know what EDGE is trying to communicate.

Don't think I've seen a magazine rack in a store for years.

Granted most of my grocery shopping is done at Costco and Albertsons.

Albertsons has magazines, but they are up front, by their DVD selection.

Literally have never even walked close enough to see their covers.

Also...magazines are still a thing?

 

[Majmun]

Also...magazines are still a thing?

Going by this thread?

Sure thing

 

[IcyRhythms]

Power of the cloud?

 

[watership]

Both.
They fucked up big time and still need to redeem themselves.

They fucked up the messaging, and the confidence of gamers. So this is a perception problem, not an actually problem. Yet.

However, perception in the world today is sometimes bigger than the details. So time will tell.

 

[mentalfloss]

Aren't EDGE primarily European?

That would kind of explain things.

(Not that I would get an XB1 over a PS4)

 

[Symthic]

Well, now I know what publication to stay away from. Unless they have access to both consoles and a library of games for each, they're fools.

 

[Zukuu]

First time in 10 years that I actually want to read a video game magazine.

Ain't have access to EDGE over here tho, hope the article will be accessible online in some way.

 

[Hesemonni]

I don't recall you shitting on Sony because $599 and Blu-ray trojan horse. Why is that?

Times theyyy aaaree changiiinnnngggg.

 

[fastford58]

Hasn't the PS3 passed 360 sales WW LTD? So what is wrong about the 2006 cover?

 

[borghe]

hmm.. issue isn't up on Apple Newsstand yet.. Will have to check it out once they post it.

for those thinking of subscribing.. pricing isn't that bad. two issue free trial (current issue and next issue) and then $40/year auto-renew after that.

 

[razgriz417]

Aren't EDGE primarily European?

That would kind of explain things.

(Not that I would get an XB1 over a PS4)

Yeah, that and the price difference is bigger over there too

 

[Toki767]

Hasn't the PS3 passed 360 sales WW LTD? So what is wrong about the 2006 cover?

The Wii, for one.

 

[Majmun]

Hasn't the PS3 passed 360 sales WW LTD? So what is wrong about the 2006 cover?

 

[lwilliams3]

There is a big difference in the covers, I was just posting it because I thought it was interesting. I do think that no one can predict what console will dominate or win over the other, 5 months before launch.

I believe I see where you are coming from, but if we look at the covers alone, I wouldn't really know EDGE's actual opinion about the PS3. What did they say in that magazine? With the new cover, though, it is very obvious on how this will go..

I agree with you that predicting which console would dominate is very premature, but at least I couldn't tell if EDGE was doing that with the PS3 by just looking at that old cover.

 

[DericLee]

"gaming experience" can be upgraded and improved over time.. I mean look at the 360..

hardware can't be.

so basing your "experience" with what is out in Oct/Nov 2013 probably won't be at all representative of what is out in Oct/Nov 2016. With that being said, IMHO it's smarter to base on (for early adopters) what can't change rather than what can change.

Uh...but wouldn't that stance be a negative for Sony? I'm hearing a 7/1RAM ratio for games/everything else.

Wasn't that the exact reason why PS3 couldn't keep up with 360 in regards to UI/OS/feature upgrades?

Because they didn't reserver enough RAM from the start, where 360 reserved more then they where using at the start?

Listen, I get you have a preference based on current information, and that is fine, I'm not tying to sway anybody anywhere.

I think they both look great, and each offers me value that I can get behind at current price points.

But I'm not going to decide now which is going to be my go to system this gen for multiplats, there are many more factors for me that must be present before I know this, and the majority of those factors can not be discovered until I get hands on.

Trust me, you are our favorite type of customer. You come into our store, already dead set on buying, we don't have to demo, we don't have to do a walk around, we don't have to explain features/benefits, we just have to negotiate a price, and sell you the car.

I wish all our customers where like that, would make things much easier on us.

 

[cyberheater]

Oh.

Okay. Can't wait to read the article. I might actually buy this one.

I've never seen such negativity about a next gen console launch before. MS must be aware of this.

MS does need get it into their thick heads that the public isn't going to be interested in this at this price and that they need to ditch the kinect bundle and get it down to at least PS4 pricing.

 

[fastford58]

The Wii, for one.

Ah yes...forgot about that. Where are the reliable sales figures at these days?

 

[ThreeSixty]

Woah. There's even a box-out behind it with "How Microsoft Blew It: The Titanic Errors of Xbox One's Road to Ruin". They're not even trying to pull their punches. A bold and brave cover for sure but I have a feeling this an obvious attempt at headline-grabbing and "Please buy our magazine because print sales are catastrophic right now".

I used to be a games journalist over here in the UK and magazines like Edge and GamesTM usually only sell in the region of 20K to 30K copies a month. They have to do anything and everything to stay afloat and more often than not barely break even. Many of them are supported by having online versions of the magazine (CVG is an extremely good example of this).

So in short it's intentional to boost falling print magazine sales as opposed to a genuine and honest sentiment expressed by the magazine. Still cool nonetheless.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

"How MS blew it"

This cover was pre-DRM reversal

Apparently not.

Just like Sony back in 2006 after that earthshaker of an E3, MS is now playing the game itself, not prepping for it. Their task now that their full hand was dealt is to change what went wrong for them, and they were VERY smart to start so soon unlike Sony drag-assing till Krazy Ken was jettisoned and long-time Sony system exclusives started jumping ship. This is good on their part, as they have even FURTHER to catch up to Sony on.

 

[watership]

Okay. Can't wait to read the article. I might actually buy this one.

I've never seen such negativity about a next gen console launch before. MS must be aware of this.

MS does need get it into their thick heads that the public isn't going to be interested in this at this price and that they need to ditch the kinect bundle and get it down to at least PS4 pricing.

MS can take away kinect, drop the price, and let indies self publish and people will still say. "nope LOL". They need to fight the battle they can win. Make a good system, pair it with a good ecosystem/infrastructure, release good content on it.

 

[ypo]

Microsoft made it clear that they don't give a shit about consumers through their shit policies and constant lies. The reversal is just a desperate attempt to slow the train wreck, it changes nothing about their vision. Their vision is clear and it deserves all the crap they are getting, reversal or not. They will pull the same shit again if given the opportunity. Good job there Edge.

 

[hodgy100]

Im sorry but the arguments that "EDGE is a magazine no one gets them any more" hinting that their opinion doesnt matter is bullshit, you are posting in a thread with 1,200+ post's about a magazines front cover, and EDGE was trending on twitter.

while only a fraction of these people actually buy edge, it shows that the publication still has influence.

 

[J-Rzez]

MS does need get it into their thick heads that the public isn't going to be interested in this at this price and that they need to ditch the kinect bundle and get it down to at least PS4 pricing.

They probably will, after a couple months of gouging early adopters, maybe sooner if Sony really slaughters them.

 

[Beer Monkey]

MS can take away kinect, drop the price, and let indies self publish and people will still say. "nope LOL".

Hmmm. I think I would say yes.

 

[borghe]

Uh...but wouldn't that stance be a negative for Sony? I'm hearing a 7/1RAM ratio for games/everything else.

Wasn't that the exact reason why PS3 couldn't keep up with 360 in regards to UI/OS/feature upgrades?

Because they didn't reserver enough RAM from the start, where 360 reserved more then they where using at the start?

umm... wha-!?

no, just no. The ONLY reason XBONE has 3GB is because they need space reserved for WinRT and hypervisor along with XBONE. It's not an "advantage". It's a requirement for them to do what they are doing.

And no... a RAM limitation is NOT the difference between Sony and 360. The fact that 360 started out from the beginning with their UI hooked to overlay, whereas Sony started out in the beginning with their UI essentially suspended.. As time goes on you can only change this stuff so much.. not to mention I know for certain that MS patents have made some stuff impossible without licensing.

I appreciate your passion, although your condescending tone is for shit. you "love customers like me". Way to make generous assumptions about me over a few posts on an internet forum. Hence me not going into "obnoxious moron sales dicks like..." etc

 

[George Claw M.D.]

I really don't see how this is a risky/bad move by Edge. If they back it up with good facts/reasoning(and we all know there are a bunch of valid reasons to support the claim, number one being price), then what's the problem? This is the kind of stuff we've been asking for from journalists. No holding back so as not to offend either party bullshit.

And it won't blow up in their faces if they end up being wrong. They'll just have an issue titled, "How the Xbox One overcame an early storm."

The biggest win for Edge are the people who will now pick up a copy, which may even lead to some subscriptions. Look at how many Gaffers in here already want to buy this issue.

Edge wins all around.