Nintendo of America not allowing SSBM to be streamed at EVO [Up: Decision Reversed]

Willy Wanka

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Seems smart. You wouldn't want fighting game fans to get excited about the next game in the series which comes out at the end of the year on two Nintendo platforms. That would be madness.
 

MormaPope

Banned
This isn't the stupidest thing Nintendo has ever done.

Apparenty a video game not being streamed at some tournament is worse than the virtual boy, the Wii U name and Friend codes.

I don't know about that. Communities and players donating to a charity to get a game they love in the spotlight at the biggest fighting game tournament in the world, only to have the broadcasting of said game be thrown out the window days before the tournament is mismanagement at its best.

Nintendo of America should've squashed dreams long before now.
 

Dahbomb

Member
How come evo got informed so late about this issue, evo is in 2 days right? Is nintendo doing this out of spite or something leaving it so late? or was it sloppy organisation all around?
Considering how much Nintendo cares about the competitive side of games I wouldn't be surprised that they just figured out "oh yea that EVO thing is around the corner, should give those guys a call".
 

SmithnCo

Member
Such an asshole thing to drop this right before the tourney. Especially after the donation drive and the fact that it has been streamed before. Just pure assholishness.
 

Naythan

Member
I don't really care for Smash or EVO/game streams but even I have to admit this a particularly low blow on Nintendo's part.
 

chrono01

Member
I don't understand NoA's reasoning for not wanting Smash to be included in EVO. It's free publicity/advertising for them, and given how many people attend/watch EVO each year, that's a pretty big deal.

I'm hopeful that Nintendo reconsiders and allows it. It would have been fun to watch. :(
 

theeraser

Member
Why does NoA make so many fucking stupid decisions? I try really hard to support this company, and love both my Wii U and 3DS to death, but it seems like every day they come out with something that is nearly impossible to defend.

How can one company be so oblivious? These aren't just stupid accidents; some of the decisions they make seem like willful disregard for their fanbase. It's a really, really tough time to be a Nintendo fanboy, that's for sure.
 

VariantX

Member
EVO didn't region lock their streams. Fans will be so confused if they see the NTSC version being played as the things they are viewing may not be appropriate for PAL regions.

Anyway I just sent a PM to Maxilmillian in case he hadn't heard. Hope he does a video on this. He has amassed a good number of subscribers and is one of the more level-headed fighting game ambassadors.

Max is already aware of the situation if you check his feed.
 

ReiGun

Member
Nintendo, stop doing this. You don't need even the smallest bit of bad PR right now. Go back to your room and think about what you've done
This so much. Nintendo is not in a position where they afford to piss people off.

This sucks so much for people who donated money to get the game into Evo. Why would Nintendo do this?
 

LeleSocho

Banned
i kinda feel this way too. i've disagreed with plenty of their policies before, but this is the first thing to happen that just makes me not like them as a company. they always seemed like a friendly company at least, until now.

Yeah it's the same for me too, up until now it was a rollercoaster of defending them and "accusing" them of their way to do things but today they have just passed my personal red line. Even if they take this back it won't change a fucking thing for me they are a thing of the past and until they change several heads at higher levels i'm totally done with them.
 
You know that post in the fund-raising thread that said the Smash community was looking for competitive support by the developer and legitimisation in the eyes of the FGC?

Well, both are now officially dead. Looks like Skullgirls won in the long run.
 
it's a 12 year old game on the Gamecube. makes no sense.

This has me thinking back to a Power Rangers episode, "Forever Red." The episode had all the Red Rangers from the past come back and team-up to stop an old threat. But company heads were super reluctant with the reasoning, "Why are we advertising old toys we don't sell anymore?"

It's a bunch of stupid suits who can't understand the importance of community growth and brand loyalty over the years. While I think this whole thing is a combination of reasons, I have a feeling "brand confusion" with the newly announced Smash is (stupidly) one of them.
 

Zeroth

Member
Right, one mattered. Regionfree was a much bigger deal and they still shot it down with PR bullshit.

I was going to comment your original post was pretty offensive to the people who donated money to breast cancer victims, but alright :p

Still, you are misunderstanding the gravity of both campaigns. Region locking involves far more than NoA and probably has a lot to do with hardware itself, while this one case is more of a policy regarding video streams which is, at least in terms of an US competition and pointed as much by EVO staff, related solely to NoA.

The fact both are campaigns doesn't mean they are equivalents.
 

Tripon

Member
The decision is 100% Nintendo's fault but how do you not ask NoA about this as soon as Smash won the contest? Skullgirls or any other game with a more competent developer should have been getting the free hype.

You mean to tell me that the people at EVO didn't have their shit together?
 

El Sloth

Banned
Can people still videotape the fights and post the videos on a later date?
Hmm, possibly. There is room open to that, sort of, in Ponder's post on SmashBoards:

Ponder said:
It's with a very heavy heart that I must report some bad news. I'm sure you're all aware that Nintendo is tightening it's policies around uses of it's IP by 3rd parties. We have just been informed by their legal department that we do not have permission to stream SSBM. We will, of course, honor both the letter and the intent of their request. All broadcasts of SSBM, both official and unofficial, will be forbidden at Evo 2013. Though I understand everyone is disappointed, please do not setup bootleg SSBM streams on your phones. Doing so would put the entire tournament in jeopardy. Anyone at Evo who broadcasts SSBM will be immediately disqualified from the tournament, their passes will be revoked, and you will be asked to leave the premises. You are, of course, free to take whatever pictures or videos you like for your own personal enjoyment at the event.Since it cannot be broadcast, we will be moving the SSBM finals to Saturday immediately following the Semi Finals (est: 2:00 PM).

You guys worked very hard to get to Evo, and you should be proud of what you've done for your community and the millions of victims of Breast Cancer around the world. Even though there will be no stream, we think Smash is going to be one of the highlights of Evo this year, and we're proud to have you guys be a part of it!
 
Nintendo doesn't out-right own all the intellectual property in Smash Melee - my guess is that this isn't from Nintendo but from the licensors of the IP contained within (likely Pokemon Company IMHO).
 

Velcro Fly

Member
Big difference between a dumb business decision like the virtual boy and shitting on your hardcore fans by doing this.
 

Timeless

Member
When was the last time Nintendo did something that benefited the fans? Come on, Nintendo! How can anyone mishandle their IP so much and with such consistency?
 
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Deleted member 13876

Unconfirmed Member
Max is already aware of the situation if you check his feed.

Alright, well in any case it can't hurt. I'm trying to think of the few venues I can possibly affect the outcome or outrage of this at the moment. This very much feels like a "the straw that broke the camel's back" moments. I want to like this company, I really do but they're making it hard as hell with their stubborn and arbitrary anti-consumer attitudes.
 

def sim

Member
Nintendo of America's response:

When's Mahvel.

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wuth

Member
Absolutely mind boggling why they would do this. I am honestly reaching the end of my rope with this company. How many more times will they let me down before they make an honest effort?
 

Avallon

Member
I was going to comment your original post was pretty offensive to the people who donated money to breast cancer victims, but alright :p

Still, you are misunderstanding the gravity of both campaigns. Region locking involves far more than NoA and probably has a lot to do with hardware itself, while this one case is more of a policy regarding video streams which is, at least in terms of an US competition and pointed as much by EVO staff, related solely to NoA.

The fact both are campaigns doesn't mean they are equivalents.

All I was saying is that Nintendo of America doesn't listen to fan campaigns.
 

DR2K

Banned
Hopefully they get a huge backlash from the community. How out of touch can a company get with their fanbase?
 
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