no no no, they stopped the streaming of the tournament. The tournament still goes on.
Nintendo of America not allowing SSBM to be streamed at EVO [Up: Decision Reversed]
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no no no, they stopped the streaming of the tournament. The tournament still goes on.
Leave alone Smash, just today i was going to find the money for M&L DreamTeam i guess i'll now use that money to pay PlayStation+ and Steam games.
From what we know so far I'd be inclined to agree. It's obvious to any random schlub that this would be terrible for optics; I can't imagine that a marketing person wouldn't have straight-up slapped any lawyer who proposed this.
Karsticles
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While Evo is the biggest fighting game tournament in the world, it's still a small event run by a community of dedicated individuals. They don't have funding for stuff like lawyers. At least, that's my understanding of the situation.
Well shit, who cares what the service is? I just want it to be free and fast. I hate going to the bar and HBO Go fucking sucks in my neck of the woods. Why is the comparison shit? I'm honestly asking. Do they charge people for the EVO stream or something?
Lol. Haters gonna hate.
they just cancelled the streaming event. you still get to play the tournament.
I noticed this philosophy Japanese companies even outside of the gamin industry. Johnny's entertainment police the hell out of YouTube and they even take down simple dance covers if it has the a song of theirs playing.
They charge a fee to be able to use the chat feature on Twitch. Other than that it's free, but there's also the poverty chat which is just using another channel to talk about stuff.
Haunted
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Embarrassingly backwards. What a disgrace. Great way to shit all over your most devoted fans (well, soon to be ex-fans thanks to stuff like this).
I hear they've got some hot plans for their myspace that should be up aaany minute now.
Oh, you're all laughing now, but as soon as Nintendo figures all this newfangled stuff with "streaming" and "internet TV" and "facebooking" in 2021 or so, they'll be the hippest company in town again!
I hear they've got some hot plans for their myspace that should be up aaany minute now.
Iwata should just bribe Sony and grab Yoshida for about two - three years to help him clean the old people smell out of NCL.
SO much this.
Last year, you could pay for higher quality stream services and archive access.
Otherwise, it's free.
Refreshment.01
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That would be the ultimate lesson teaching.
But....
NO.
Searvants need to serve their master, alwyas loyal no matter how may slaps to the face one gets.
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GetemMa
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NOA: Free exposure for our products? Yeah fuck that.
Jesus Nintendo, you have no fucking clue what you are doing. This confirms it.
All of the brass needs to be put out to pasture, including Reggie and Iwata.
Keep the developers, they are great. Keep Miyamoto and Trinen obviously, but the rest of the executive level at Nintendo hasn't done anything positive in a long long time. They fucked up the 3DS launch and price, they fucked up the WiiU hardware strategy and launch games and price, they fucked up with 3rd parties. The stock has tanked since the Wii wined down. They crack down on all the wrong things on Youtube and now EVO. Their online strategy is half assed.
I don't know what more evidence that you need. These guys are incompetent and growing more incompetent by the day it seems.
Big N, I love you guys, but you are being lead by people who have no idea what the industry has turned into, right beneath their noses.
Jesus Nintendo, you have no fucking clue what you are doing. This confirms it.
All of the brass needs to be put out to pasture, including Reggie and Iwata.
Keep the developers, they are great. Keep Miyamoto and Trinen obviously, but the rest of the executive level at Nintendo hasn't done anything positive in a long long time. They fucked up the 3DS launch and price, they fucked up the WiiU hardware strategy and launch games and price, they fucked up with 3rd parties. The stock has tanked since the Wii wined down. They crack down on all the wrong things on Youtube and now EVO. Their online strategy is half assed.
I don't know what more evidence that you need. These guys are incompetent and growing more incompetent by the day it seems.
Big N, I love you guys, but you are being lead by people who have no idea what the industry has turned into, right beneath their noses.
Gonna have to tweet to @NintendoOfDaBeech.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Capcom games have been at EVO for over a decade. They've been at EVO since before it was called "EVO." Capcom threw their own international championship before anything like EVO was in place, too.
None of the other companies involved seem to be issuing C&Ds, either. This is uniquely a Nintendo position.
Holy shit, I just realized this. They aren't stopping the tournament, that is one thing on another level, but it also requires people to pay to attend. Yet they aren't letting them stream the event which people don't pay for nor does any harm come from that at all....This is so stupid. I don't really have any interest in Evo, but was ecstatic that Smash got in, but I only just realized how even MORE IDIOTIC this whole thing is.
PreyingShark
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This is the most plausible scenario to me.
LoftyTheMetroid
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Are there not legal issues associated with prize money and things like that? I would think they'd have to take care of all that in some way.
Also, it's been awhile since I've followed anything FGC-related, but I thought UltraDavid was a lawyer and helped out with some of these sorts of legal things? Or did I just make that up?
Regardless, it still doesn't excuse NoA. They should just give EVO a pass on this one, or at least try to work out a quick deal.
I won't be. I can't really trust a develop who thinks tripping is a good idea anyway.
Tathanen
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This amounts to Nintendo sponsorship. Which amounts to Nintendo endorsement. Of an event they have no control over. And then someone yells f** n***** f** on the stream and welp. I can understand legal's reticence. Nintendo has a very particular image to uphold.
Not that I think this still isn't horseshit, but they sure ain't gonna support something like this that they aren't running.
EmCeeGramr
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Nintendo is a jealous king who imprisons his beautiful beloved daughters in a tower.
Starfish Hero
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Sakurai didn't pull the stream. He's working harder than ever and if he puts out a good game, I'm buying it and a Wii U. Just because some out of touch executives benefit from it doesn't mean Sakurai doesn't deserve it.
Refreshment.01
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Take it easy with Regie, he's just a marketing person not much say in desicion making.
Yeah, the "desicion" was stupid (altough I repeat it was not even a desicion, the way copy righted material works whitin Nintendo is set in a sacred stone and no one could change that), NoA is not going to call NCL over this "hey can we make a little exception about this Mr. Iwata?", no, is not going to happen.
No one is saying that this old ways are retarded and short sighted, but why you would punish a good game over this, even more Sakurai who is putting all his hearth in this project?
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This may very well be the downside of Iwata's "why I never fire people." Get someone under the age of 35 -40 in a top level spot, please.
So what happens when I say that in Mario Kart 8 in an online race? Everyone has a microphone because of the gamepad.
Karsticles
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I have never heard of UltraDavid doing pro bono work, though that's not to say he doesn't. As I'm not well-informed in law myself, I can't answer your first point.
Edit: And I wish people would stop bashing Nintendo fans. I am a Nintendo fan. I am very unhappy about this decision. Proof of me being a Nintendo fan? I own a Wii U!
I am done with Nintendo.
Grew up on NES, SNES.
Graduation gift was an N64. Camped out on a freezing launch night for GCN.
The problems have been written on the wall for a long time though.
Screwed up Nintendo Playstation. Refused to change media.
Changed to gimped media. Refused to change generation.
Changed to gimped generation. Tons of archaic policies, mostly Japanese.
Sony got it. You can't survive following every Japanese tradition. Just because Nintendo started as a card game 100 years ago doesn't mean they have to continue to operate that way.
What percentage of their revenue is JP vs the world? I'm sure handhelds are dominated by JP and the rest of the world makes up their console revenue.
They let IPs die, continue to ignore fan wants and continue with region locking.
They got lucky with Wii, and it printed money. Enough revenue must be in reserve or coming in from Wii U that they are happy enough to just continue what they are doing.
Meanwhile NOA comes off as a big waste of space with no balls. Effectively they cannot or will not do anything unless big papa JP lets them.
I can't even anymore.
Grew up on NES, SNES.
Graduation gift was an N64. Camped out on a freezing launch night for GCN.
The problems have been written on the wall for a long time though.
Screwed up Nintendo Playstation. Refused to change media.
Changed to gimped media. Refused to change generation.
Changed to gimped generation. Tons of archaic policies, mostly Japanese.
Sony got it. You can't survive following every Japanese tradition. Just because Nintendo started as a card game 100 years ago doesn't mean they have to continue to operate that way.
What percentage of their revenue is JP vs the world? I'm sure handhelds are dominated by JP and the rest of the world makes up their console revenue.
They let IPs die, continue to ignore fan wants and continue with region locking.
They got lucky with Wii, and it printed money. Enough revenue must be in reserve or coming in from Wii U that they are happy enough to just continue what they are doing.
Meanwhile NOA comes off as a big waste of space with no balls. Effectively they cannot or will not do anything unless big papa JP lets them.
I can't even anymore.
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This old ways are retarded and short sighted.
Bitmap Frogs
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Nintendo doesn't give a crap about EVO and the hardcoerez.
As far as they are concerned, the Wii's expanded audience is still their target and what they are chasing.
The sooner you people understand Nintendo is the Wii Fit company, the better. They believe tournaments, unified account systems, extensive social network integration, etc... they are just the follies of the "gamers" - a market they are not interested on anymore as a primary target.
Whenever you think Nintendo, think your mom, your grandpa, your 4 year old niece - because that is what they think about.
As far as they are concerned, the Wii's expanded audience is still their target and what they are chasing.
The sooner you people understand Nintendo is the Wii Fit company, the better. They believe tournaments, unified account systems, extensive social network integration, etc... they are just the follies of the "gamers" - a market they are not interested on anymore as a primary target.
Whenever you think Nintendo, think your mom, your grandpa, your 4 year old niece - because that is what they think about.
Chie Satonaka
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This is EXACTLY why I think they're doing this. I've been watching Evo directly for the past three years, and every year, I hear or see at least 10 embarassing things that make me shake my head.
While this isn't a popular decision, I can understand why it's being done. The FGC isn't family friendly, and Nintendo doesn't want one of their babies associated with it. Why so much venom?
Syph Medwes
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Such a disconnect at Nintendo. What a shame.
I'm pretty sure they get permission from the other companies whose games are there, just Nintendo's the first to actually deny them.
NeonZ
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Remember, Pokemon is managed by the Pokemon Company, which operates separately from Nintendo. Something done on that by them doesn't really necessarily mean core Nintendo wants to go in the same direction.
Starfish Hero
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I'd be surprised if MK8 has voice chat. MK7 doesn't even though the 3DS has a microphone built in.
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He's voicing his opinion on twitter at least and it could be good exposure for him as this is exactly his domain.
I must say, I haven't done this much Twitter warrioring in a long while.
APZonerunner
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As if to troll, the official Evo account is streaming videos of past Smash tournaments: http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1
Refreshment.01
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Well you are supporting for desicions like this to continue on.
What can i tell you, is just how things are and what's stopping progress in the company for decades.
Actually Sony wanted to effectively own the company in the Playstation deal, so they were right on that one.
But yeah Nintendo it's time for new blood and a more modern approach.
ArchedThunder
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At the same time this kind of shit started happening after Iwata took control of NoA.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It... MUST happen.
Is this supposed to look like a instagram/tumblr gif/yugioh card on purpose?
Storm Chamber
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Basically.