Pacific Rim |OT| Apocalypse Never
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BeardyChan
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Chezzymann
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People that think movies HAVE to have fantastic scripts and meaningful character development to be a good movie are forgetting what art is all about: Expression.This movie was not about the script or character development, it was MEANT to be about giant fucking robots beating up giant fucking monsters with team work. It was meant to be a whimsical visual spectacle and a nod to nerd culture. And I can't see how anyone can bash that if this was what the movie was intended to be.
illmatic22
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This is the first movie since Avatar, to warrant IMAX 3D, you get immersed in the scale of the mechs and monsters when they are taking up practically the whole wall.
This. There are times when I was legitimately tense just watching the fight scenes. Feels like you're standing right next to them and it's scary as shit ( in a good way).
It was the sound that sold me. You really feel every punch and step of the mechs.
Ludicrous Speed
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Just bought my tickets for the imax 3d showing! So excited! Only 5 more hours to wait.
I didn't even realize that the local amc theater had an imax screen. It's expensive though! I was able to get in on the fandango deal so I paid a little over $20 for two tickets.
I didn't even realize that the local amc theater had an imax screen. It's expensive though! I was able to get in on the fandango deal so I paid a little over $20 for two tickets.
Does that mean they can't criticize those aspects of it? Keeping up with the Kardashians is meant to be like that!
Chezzymann
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You can only criticize the ability of the director to convey his intended expressions and ideas to the audience in my opinion, but these people are criticizing something the movie isn't trying to be. When you walk away from a movie or a television show or anything, the most important question you should be asking is: What concept was it trying to convey? If its hard to answer that question, then the flick probably wasn't very good. If it is extremely obvious, then the film was probably great.
Its sort of like a two year old drawing an angry face, versus a professional comic book artist. Both want to convey anger, but the comic book artist is far better at conveying it.
I haven't watched any of Keeping up with the Kardashians so i can't really comment on that.
Asian Jaeger got destroyed. It had the blades.
sol_bad
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Maybe you should complain and mention they don't know what they are doing. I mean you pay enough for the ticket.
The last time I just walked out, got my money back and saw the movie in 2d.
Futurevoid
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He's talking about
Coyote Tango which was only in the flashback. It was the one Pentecost got out of when he saved Mako
Ah okay didn't know that one was... that one!
Dave1988
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Saw it today. I had no expectations concerning the movie (haven't seen trailers, didn't follow the pre-release hype at all) going in and I have to say that I LOVED it. Pacific Rim is loud, it's big and it had me interested from start to finish. I left the cinema grinning like a little kid. The only way that this move could be even more awesome to me is if they had somehow included Godzilla in it. Will definitely pick up the Blu-Ray of this movie when it releases.
BotoxAgent
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Futurevoid
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Don't feel too bad. A lot of folks didn't notice he was in there either.
I'm not a big fan of Ramin Djawadi and some of the score was a bit generic for me but there's some stand out cues that I really like. This being one of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0iTkLg3-sg
Jack Remington
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I'm a little confused at this thread, because I keep seeing Man of Steel used as the standard for a shitty action film.
Did I wake up in a universe where MoS was not an above-average superhero film with the best superhero fight scene ever? Why aren't we using films that actually sucked, like Iron Man 3, X-Men 3 or one of the Fantastic Four movies?
I do agree that Pacific Rim is better than all of the above. I'd rank it above any superhero film since The Dark Knight. It's probably tied with Avatar for me, although I'm in the minority who really liked Avatar.
Did I wake up in a universe where MoS was not an above-average superhero film with the best superhero fight scene ever? Why aren't we using films that actually sucked, like Iron Man 3, X-Men 3 or one of the Fantastic Four movies?
I do agree that Pacific Rim is better than all of the above. I'd rank it above any superhero film since The Dark Knight. It's probably tied with Avatar for me, although I'm in the minority who really liked Avatar.
I think man of steel is used as a base because of the amount of destruction. I agree though, I thought man of steel was above average.
I didn't know that the whole thing was Del Toro's baby until after I got home and thought that it was based on a manga or maybe an anime. The way it was shot and flowed really made it feel exactly like a 2hr long episode of a TV show / live action anime. I loved it and thought that was very original and added immensely to its charm.
Holy shit the sound was powerful. Had to plug my ears through several battle sequences towards the end.
MoS is good, not great. And one of its biggest problems is that the action doesn't feel like Superman. He's supposed to be the champion and protector of humans, but instead of minimizing damage he tosses Zod and the other Kryptonians through occupied buildings with no regard for anyone's safety.
It was a good fight scene, but it belonged in an Invincible adaptation, not in MoS.
It was a good fight scene, but it belonged in an Invincible adaptation, not in MoS.
Just got back from seeing it. Other than the promise of giant robots fighting I had not really paid much attention to the movie.
I think underwhelmed is the right word here. The Hong Kong fight was pretty great, but everything else was pretty bland. The whole first hour or so is honestly pretty boring. If all you want is to see giant robots fight you will probably like it (although it feels like there is not that much of that). If you actually want a movie to go with the action scenes you will be very disappointed.
I think underwhelmed is the right word here. The Hong Kong fight was pretty great, but everything else was pretty bland. The whole first hour or so is honestly pretty boring. If all you want is to see giant robots fight you will probably like it (although it feels like there is not that much of that). If you actually want a movie to go with the action scenes you will be very disappointed.
Senator Soufflé
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Saw it today at 2:50 in the afternoon, there was a total of 3 people including my brother and I.
Even for it being a bank holiday and an afternoon showing, I expected a few more there. It is ridiculously sunny though too. Hopefully this doesn't mean the film will bomb.
I've done my bit in cancelling the apocalypse and thoroughly enjoyed the movie.
Even for it being a bank holiday and an afternoon showing, I expected a few more there. It is ridiculously sunny though too. Hopefully this doesn't mean the film will bomb.
I've done my bit in cancelling the apocalypse and thoroughly enjoyed the movie.
Deified Data
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Why oh why would someone come to this conclusion after reading a few isolated posts on a thread heaping with praise...
One of my favorite elements of PR is that, while the collateral damage is heavy (albeit still small compared to most movies of this type), they make a point of showing the audience that the population has been evacuated and led to shelters before the fight begins. Guilt-free mass-destruction. I don't know why all movies don't bring this up. It takes all of a minute to convey.
ViewtifulJC
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I do blame internet whiners for that. I dooooo.
Salsashark was the main one
you know what must be done, duckroll
Just came back from watching it.
With the risk of sounding a bit like Kojima here (lol) I never thought I'd see this type of movie made at this scale, but oh boy, I'm glad it exists and I could watch it. What an amazing experience. Every frame was a joy to watch and listen to, and just let the world of the movie flow through the screen. I know that people mind the story and the human element a little or a lot, but honestly, fuck it. It could have been better, whatever, but it also would've required more time and a refocus away from the real meat, which was watching these amazing things fighting each other. I just appreciated it wasn't heavy handed, nor it going to really silly places. It was a clear cut, humanity hero story.
I went with my brother, and he loved it, he couldn't stop talking about his favorite moments on the ride back. It was also funny that there were a couple of kids, maybe 9-10, in the theater and they were mimicking the punches (rocket punch!) and one audibly said "Mako!" when something specific happened on screen. Hearing him put a smile to my face, really took me back and it felt great watching them enjoy it as they did, because so did I.
I know Del Toro's particular brand of cheesiness is not for everyone, and neither are the kinds of movies he is paying a homage to (I'm not even an anime guy myself), but if you are just a bit interested from watching the trailers you should definitely go because the movie delivers a hundred times on what you see there. I am also slightly surprised I ended liking the music after having checked it out on youtube, and thinking it was very so-so. It definitely works in context, and it gets pumping, especially during one particular fight:
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I'll probably see it again during the week, and I hope it does well because I want more. Favorite action movie of the last few years for me, no damn question about it.
With the risk of sounding a bit like Kojima here (lol) I never thought I'd see this type of movie made at this scale, but oh boy, I'm glad it exists and I could watch it. What an amazing experience. Every frame was a joy to watch and listen to, and just let the world of the movie flow through the screen. I know that people mind the story and the human element a little or a lot, but honestly, fuck it. It could have been better, whatever, but it also would've required more time and a refocus away from the real meat, which was watching these amazing things fighting each other. I just appreciated it wasn't heavy handed, nor it going to really silly places. It was a clear cut, humanity hero story.
I went with my brother, and he loved it, he couldn't stop talking about his favorite moments on the ride back. It was also funny that there were a couple of kids, maybe 9-10, in the theater and they were mimicking the punches (rocket punch!) and one audibly said "Mako!" when something specific happened on screen. Hearing him put a smile to my face, really took me back and it felt great watching them enjoy it as they did, because so did I.
I know Del Toro's particular brand of cheesiness is not for everyone, and neither are the kinds of movies he is paying a homage to (I'm not even an anime guy myself), but if you are just a bit interested from watching the trailers you should definitely go because the movie delivers a hundred times on what you see there. I am also slightly surprised I ended liking the music after having checked it out on youtube, and thinking it was very so-so. It definitely works in context, and it gets pumping, especially during one particular fight:
Cherno's and Crimson's
I'll probably see it again during the week, and I hope it does well because I want more. Favorite action movie of the last few years for me, no damn question about it.
Anton Sugar
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Bingo, and it instantly shows that the director is aware of the content he is presenting and understands the dilemma. Even The Avengers (which I am not a huge fan of) handled this better than MoS.
Also, yes, MoS is only above average.
Deified Data
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Another thing...you see Gipsy Danger stomping through the streets of Hong Kong before he
gets ambushed by Otachi
Maninthemirror
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As a Person who has NOW seen both and people bringing up Man of Steel here which I also like:
- Man of Steel is a more serious movie with big action sequences. If you went into the movie ignoring the serious buildup and watch it for the fun action sequences, you would have enjoyed it just like I did.
- Pacific Rim is a movie which is exactly like Man of Steel, low on story build up, character time but high of high quality Action. Pacific Rim was made precisely because GDT did not seem to focus on the story but more on the action.
I did not take both stories seriously and did not have issues with destruction in MOS which is why I liked both equally. But I see where people are coming from, they took MOS as a serious movie with great action and disliked it and even brought their dislike unfortunately to the action while PRIM is a fun movie with great action and liked it and focused on how great the action was and said basically "story and character is weak, who cares lots of action thats what mattered" as opposed to "story and character is weak, that sucks but action redeemed it". Two similar outcomes with totally different views.
- Man of Steel is a more serious movie with big action sequences. If you went into the movie ignoring the serious buildup and watch it for the fun action sequences, you would have enjoyed it just like I did.
- Pacific Rim is a movie which is exactly like Man of Steel, low on story build up, character time but high of high quality Action. Pacific Rim was made precisely because GDT did not seem to focus on the story but more on the action.
I did not take both stories seriously and did not have issues with destruction in MOS which is why I liked both equally. But I see where people are coming from, they took MOS as a serious movie with great action and disliked it and even brought their dislike unfortunately to the action while PRIM is a fun movie with great action and liked it and focused on how great the action was and said basically "story and character is weak, who cares lots of action thats what mattered" as opposed to "story and character is weak, that sucks but action redeemed it". Two similar outcomes with totally different views.
Freezasaurus
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Honestly, if there was a weak story in this movie, I didn't notice it. I was too busy being thoroughly entertained for the entire time. Which is more than I can say for a lot of films these days.
Senator Soufflé;69895046 said:
I wouldn't worry too much yet. I saw Iron Man 3 during a Thursday preview showing and the theatre was a third full. Depending on the time and where you are located, huge openers can still have empty screenings on opening weekend. If that was a 7-10pm Friday showing, I would be a little more concerned.
BertramCooper
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This movie was ABSURDLY entertaining.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
Anton Sugar
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Yes, and I was thinking the EXACT same thing! What a great detail.
Blackthorn
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Anyone based in London able to confirm whether 3D at the BFI IMAX is worthwhile? I expected it would be the best way to see The Hobbit, but it was utter garbage whenever there was the slightest motion.
Hobbit was at 48FPS which caused issues for some people.
Blackthorn
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Oh no it was the opposite. The IMAX didn't have 48fps, the garbage motion I'm talking about was intense blur and judder. Was so disappointed, considering the expense and trust I have (had) for that cinema.
squidhands
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I enjoyed the shit out of this movie. It's like Top Gun but with monsters and robots. Want to see it again already.
Senator Soufflé
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True, the cinema I went to would be one of the smaller cinemas in NI ( only 4 screens). That coupled with the parades and all, I'm sure it can still do great.
My only other concern is if Monster U has any impact. Once again in the case of where I was I was in Screen 4, which is usually reserved for things on the way out / niche, while MU had screens 1 and 2 running simultaneously.
Futurevoid
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Man of Steel is a movie that desperately wants to show you Superman cutting loose without being burdened by retelling his origin because the creators thought the audience was tired of sitting through that. When they couldn't find a way around it, they tried to short cut it through half-assed flashbacks and internal conflicts that never materialize in any meaningful way. It ends up feeling like two tonally different films by the end. With the last third being a completely exhausting exercise in blowing shit up without any level of audience buy-in.
"You came to watch Superman beat the ever loving shit out of Zod? Right, we'll get there but we have to TRY and give this all meaning and make it feel like more than what it is. It has to be a character examination tied up into conflict resolution tied up into the real movie we want to make: Superman fucking shit up!"
Pacific Rim is a movie that doesn't try to hide its completely predictable nature or make its characters any deeper than they need to be. It presents you just enough to buy-in and get on the ride and doesn't ask much else. It's also very conscious of how much action real estate it affords the audience. It's never overwrought and the very concept it presents doesn't ask the audience to do more than enjoy the spectacle and care just a little about the three primary characters (Becket, Mako and Pentecost).
"You want to watch big ass Robots beat the ever loving shit out of Godzilla? Right, here you go".
That's the key difference between the two. Man of Steel isn't a serious film. It's pretending to be one and it does so poorly. If they wanted to explore the nature of Superman and the conflict he lives with in being an alien caring for a people he towers above, they could have made that the central focus of the movie and integrated Superman cutting loose far more intelligently. Instead they WANTED to make Pacific Rim but had to hide it under a veil of seriousness.
You can dislike Pacific Rim for being what it is and I'm generally accepting of the dissenting opinions in the thread. I can totally understand how folks would walk away thinking its all cheesy with paper thin characters. Generally more spectacle than substance but at no point does the movie ever try to convince you that it is more than what it is and it's why I'll take it over the tedious borefest that Man of Steel was.
Really enjoyed this movie. I like how the backstory was basically 'big monsters attacked us so we built some giant fucking robots' and it got right into the action.
Theater was surprisingly crowded too, went to the earliest matinee showing (10:10am) and it was about half full. I was expecting to be the only person there.
Theater was surprisingly crowded too, went to the earliest matinee showing (10:10am) and it was about half full. I was expecting to be the only person there.
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