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Evolution_1ne said:
Just saw it again and I must say the more I watch it the worst it gets
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But everyone in the movie is a dumbass.
Boom Boom Pow said:
i wonder how come gypsy didnt use the sword earlier against the first cat 4 kaiju
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I wonder why the Kaiju who EMP'ed Striker didn't dismember its limbs to make sure it would stay out of the fight.
I wonder why the Kaiju who had the EMP weapon didn't use the weapon as soon as the three Jaegers showed up.
I wonder why the tactics of everything involved in this movie. I guess it's because we're not supposed to dwindle on it.
 
Evolution_1ne said:
Just saw it again and I must say the more I watch it the worst it gets, first off Stacker is a dumbass, pure and simple, his plans don't make any logical sense and they got almost every Jaeger destroyed and pilot killed

like sending 2 fucking old jaegers to fight 2 cat. 4s when Striker just got finished fucking up a cat 4. not long before the double event. and grounding Danger, I mean what the fuck was that, you know...... KNOW!! for a fact that your gonna need all the help you can get so don't sending all 4 of your Jaegers put you at an extreme advantage against just 2 Kaijus.....knowing Striker can take down a Category 4 by itself???

Imagine as soon as Otachi poked it's head out of the water it was instantly and mercilessly pounded into submission by Cherno and Gypsy while Crimson proceedes to quickly slice the shit out of it and get finished off but Strikers chest missiles, goddamn Leatherback wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity to use it's EMP blast and then would have had to fight 4 Jeagers instead of just 1

splitting them up like that was just dumb
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That's like your opinion man ..

Stacker's main goal was to protect human lives - you see this in the beginning of the movie where he orders Gipsy Danger to stay guard and not go out to save the boat. Since it was the first double event, he prioritized putting his best Jaeger to save lives. If Striker Eureka was sent out to fight and would have lost, basically would have fucked up all the chances. When Striker Eureka does go out in the ocean against his orders, it gets defeated by the EMC blast.
 
Can't stop listening to the main theme. I actually just worked out to it, ugh so good.
I can't stop geeking out about this film. I've never seen a movie twice in theaters but I just cannot wait to see it again.
 
Evolution_1ne said:
Just saw it again and I must say the more I watch it the worst it gets, first off Stacker is a dumbass, pure and simple, his plans don't make any logical sense and they got almost every Jaeger destroyed and pilot killed.
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Well, people make mistakes. Saving Striker made sense because he was essential to their last resort plan and if he got messed up then that was it. He underestimated the threat. Grounding Gipsy after the plasma gun incident was a very "animated show" thing to do, just a setup to a big audience-pumping fight, so at least the kid in me appreciated that.

I agree a lot of it is dumb, but really, if we are going that route there are tons of things that could come out and we could complain about. For example, why only have 1 team training (not even ready to go as backup) per jaeger when there's dozens of potential pilots. A real military outfit would not be conducted like that, yet here we are. Heck, a real military outfit would probably design better aircraft and weapons, not giant fucking anime robots. :P
 
I owned no action figures as a kid, nor did I want to.

I don't own any figures or models or anything like that as an adult, and I've never really wanted to either.

But god-fucking-damn I would pay good money for a quality Gipsy Danger figure on my desk right now
 
killertofu said:
GOD I LOVED THIS MOVIE SO FUCKING MUCH.

Seriously. I haven't felt this much fun coming out of a movie in a long ass time.

Top 3 this year

Pacific Rim/Before Midnight/Upstream Color

But I wish I had the figurines to play with. I've never felt so much like a little kid
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Same here. I wanted to play with figures while I was still watching the movie lol. Each fight looked like it came straight out of my head when I was 8 years old playing with my mech figures. Haven't had a figure since I was 12 or so.

Came home and bought the Crimson Typhoon figure. Trying to resist buying any more until I get my hands on it at least.
 
I just got back from this movie, not knowing much about it going in.

This movie was better than all the Transformers!

I couldn't help but keep thinking how much this movie is going to KILL overseas, especially in China. If I didn't know better, I would say this movie was specifically made for Asian audiences.
 
Dead said:
As cool as the last half of the movie is, I still can't get over how awful the first half is. By far the worst thing put to screen by Del Toro since Mimic. I'm seriously bummed out.
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So much friggin' dead air after the opening sequence.
 
LumpOfCole said:
I just got back from this movie, not knowing much about it going in.

This movie was better than all the Transformers!

I couldn't help but keep thinking how much this movie is going to KILL overseas, especially in China. If I didn't know better, I would say this movie was specifically made for Asian audiences.
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Amen. Story, action and hell even acting..this movie is so damn good . I came out thinking I need to watch it again lol
 
Toxi said:
I'm pretty sure the dinosaurs weren't Kaiju in the film's continuity . . .
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correct.

when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth, the atmosphere was not ideal for the kaiju. they decided to wait until the conditions became far better. it just so happens when Earth's atmosphere was able to sustain many life forms -- including humans -- the kaiju decided the time was right to take over the planet.

in the film's continuity, the war of kaiju versus human was raging for about a decade before the start of the film, Pacific Rim
 
I got the impression the sword was new, added during Gypsy's refurbishing. She knew about it after Beckett listed off their other weapons being spent - the ones he already knew about from Gypsy's original version.

Of course, why Beckett didn't already know about it since they were in drift and thinking about the fight, because drama. But one supposes they hadn't gone down a complete checklist due to being pressed into a real fight so quickly.

Edit: overall impression of the movie btw - personally kind of disappointed. There's only one real, full-blown large scale battle, Hong Kong. Both Cherno and Crimson being used as cannon fodder were disappointing. The marketing blitz for the film went overboard to make it seem all about the Jaegers, to get people to root for a favorite. But that ends up being a lie, and I think Del Toro oversold how much character and personality he was giving to the Kaiju, and the bots. Finally there's way too much dead time in the film. The wacky scientist subplot, while entertaining, came dangerously close to Transformers level of wasting time with side characters.

Overall, I was really impressed with the direction of the good bits, the detail of its world building. As a Del Toro action adventure movie though, it never comes together like Hellboy 1 and 2 for me.
 
Saw it today. Did not disappoint. In fact, PR exceeded all expectations.

I don't want a sequel. This was enough for me.
 
Yeah, the sword is one of those small issues for me, mostly because after seeing how ridiculously effective it was my thoughts were "why would you not always have the sword out?" and "why don't all of the other robots have swords?"
 
I'd always use a bladed weapon rather than plasma cannons against monsters.

Like the zombie survival guide teaches us: you don't have to reload a machete.
 
The Technomancer said:
Yeah, the sword is one of those small issues for me, mostly because after seeing how ridiculously effective it was my thoughts were "why would you not always have the sword out?" and "why don't all of the other robots have swords?"
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bcos kaiju blueeee

and then grabbing otachi's kaiju blue sac and flinging out into the ocean is totally ok
 
The Technomancer said:
Yeah, the sword is one of those small issues for me, mostly because after seeing how ridiculously effective it was my thoughts were "why would you not always have the sword out?" and "why don't all of the other robots have swords?"
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I think the difference in weapons is due to different countries that were responsible to creating them.
 
I was thinking the entire first half that a bladed weapon of some sorts would be really effective and then when they pulled it out I wondered why they hadn't thought of it before.
 
Kai Dracon said:
Of course, why Beckett didn't already know about it since they were in drift and thinking about the fight, because drama. But one supposes they hadn't gone down a complete checklist due to being pressed into a real fight so quickly.
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I thought it was because in drift, they only shared intimate/traumatic memories. Not the entire knowledge of each other.
 
No point in overanalyzing too much or you'll just end up with the inevitable question of why even use giant robots in the first place.
 
kurahador said:
I thought it was because in drift, they only shared intimate/traumatic memories. Not the entire knowledge of each other.
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True. They did mention that they could tell what the current surface thoughts of one another was. So chalk it up to Mori not being an experienced soldier and running a constant mental checklist of all their assets.

Divvy said:
No point in overanalyzing too much or you'll just end up with the inevitable question of why even use giant robots in the first place.
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A science fiction writer once said, you get one big idea for free in your story. After that, you've got to justify everything else.

The giant robot genre's big idea is, well, big robots. Past that, well...
 
kurahador said:
I thought it was because in drift, they only shared intimate/traumatic memories. Not the entire knowledge of each other.
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They share everything, but while fighting they try to be clear minded or they'll have problems.

Really reminds me of EVA Synchronization.
 
Really my only issue was how dark the battles were. They were all in the dark with tons of water. I wanted to see it, god damn it. Super awesome and fun movie though.
 
cj_iwakura said:
Also, totally should've put the bulldog in a pint-sized Jaeger to take out the baby.
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If this movie was directed by someone else, this would've happened. God, I can totally see the sequence in my head too *shivers*.

Through a comical series of events the dog ends up on a scale prototype robot and accidentally presses all the right buttons and gets it going. The "real" fight keeps happening in the background, but the dog's wacky antics are perfectly choreographed at the feet of the action culminating with him taking down the baby kaiju with the precision only slapstick humor brings. Then the camera zooms in into the face of our unlikely hero, who then proceeds to do a"funny" gesture, like slobbering all over the instruments because, he a dog after all!

Gotta check that 5yo demographic box.
 
Divvy said:
No point in overanalyzing too much or you'll just end up with the inevitable question of why even use giant robots in the first place.
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So if we assume for the moment that such robots with the mobility displayed are actually physically possible for us to construct then I think they actually make quite a bit of sense. They establish right away that missles and such are useless, so we're looking at blunt force trauma on a massive scale or piercing, as we see, as ways to kill the Kaiju. What's better then a humanoid robot at that, especially if we're working from the premise that the humanoid robot has human reflexes and speed that it wouldn't have if it was, say, a giant spider or something because of the attunement of the human operators? Everything else I can think of has huge problems with either manuverability or speed or both (basically all variations I can think of on battleships)
 
Yagharek said:
Also the kaiju were clones with adaptations to overcome previous losses. It's efficient to send smaller probe attacks before the onslaught which was coming.
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Yeah, it was the same premise as DC's DOOMSDAY. After every death, coming back with improvements that nullify how it previously died.
 
inky said:
If this movie was directed by someone else, this would've happened. God, I can totally see the sequence in my head too *shivers*.

Through a comical series of events the dog ends up on a scale prototype robot and accidentally presses all the right buttons and gets it going. The "real" fight keeps happening in the background, but the dog's wacky antics are perfectly choreographed at the feet of the action culminating with him taking down the baby kaiju with the precision only slapstick humor brings. Then the camera zooms in into the face of our unlikely hero, who then proceeds to do a"funny" gesture, like slobbering all over the instruments because, he a dog after all!

Gotta check that 5yo demographic box.
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I would totally play it straight.
"We can't get a full-sized Jaeger in the streets to get the baby Kaiju."
"Send the prototype."

Enter miniature Jaeger, slow pan up on the cockpit...

Bulldog at the controls.
 
Just saw it. Felt like a big incoherent mess. A mashup of every single cliche of American action cinema. Throw in some generic asian fluff for good measure. I understand that the film tried to build and assume the cliche-ed nature at it's core, but it just felt awkward from beginning to end.

Let's see.

Robots not using any weapons beyond their fists for most of the movie. What the fuck. How could you miss out on that kind of opportunity? Instead, you end up with similar camera/action for all the mechs. Plus, it's absolutely nonsensical from a "universe" perspective. Swords and blades seem to be effective as hell. Same argument could be made for ranged weapons. Though, those would be awkward since most of the fights were fought at close range.

That random love story. Was there something I missed? I know he has a kick ass body, but was she seriously peeping through the door for that? Was it supposed to be cute? I assume she was a huge fan of when that dude from Sons of Anarchy was a pilot?

The russian, chinese mechs. Christ, I just laughed when I saw them. I guess it stays true to whatever the American idea of those countries. Let's not even talk about Ron Perlman character.

Now, that one is probably personal and quite big, but this movie made me realize that I have zero interest in "lizard" type creatures. I don't care about dinosaurs and I don't care about oversized "insert" creature name there. They don't feel powerful or scary.

How can you determine if two people have a "mind" connection by giving them sticks and making them hit each other.

I might also add that I had zero expectations before seeing the film.
 
I was quite disappointed at the film (although to be fair, I had high and maybe unrealistic expectations).

I'll start with the things I liked -
  • I liked the start of the film, especially the fact that it got straight into the action and we didn't have to go through a 30 minutes of world leaders not listening to the warning of scientist or whatever.
  • I liked that there was no "to be continued" ending, I hate that crap.
  • I liked the robots design and specifically their sense of scale and weight.
  • I liked the Hong Kong fight.
Now to what I didn't like -
  • I don't think they nailed the tone, it's a bit hard to get such things right, and I'm definitely not against such movies being cheesy, but the contrast between the cheese and the rather somber end of the world feel of some of the scenes didn't quite work for me.
  • I didn't care for the characters, at all, people ask "do you expect it to be Citizen Kane?" well no, I didn't (though now I kinda want to see this scene done with a giant robot) but I did expect at least Hellboy level of characterization and heart. this wouldn't be a huge problem if -
  • The movie spend way to much time establishing paper thin cliched characters that I didn't care about, there was a long boring monster punching free stretch in the middle.
  • The acting was pretty bad, especially Rinko Kikuchi.
  • The whole mind melding angle felt completely unnecessary, the scientists were annoying

But the biggest disappointment for me were the actual robot on monster action, they weren't bad by any stretch of the imagination (much better than the eyeball rape which is Transformers) and the Hong Kong fight was pretty great, but as this was literally the only thing carrying the film, the problem it did had became a big deal to me -
  • You didn't get enough good looks of the action - most of the fights were at night, the camera was a bit too shaky for my tastes and the constant cuts to the pilots hurt the cohesiveness and flow of those scenes (I know it's almost a genre trope, and I understand why it's important to remind people the sense of scale when you're filming a dude in a rubber suit, but you didn't need it here, definitely not that often).
  • There was no real "sense of progression", that is, you didn't really get the sense of "oh shit, the monster is winning, but no! robot is making a comeback". The Hong Kong fight was better in that regard, but it was the best part of the film.
  • There were a lot of "huh, I guess it can do this now" moments in the film. Again, I don't expect realism, but I think the audience is more invested when you understand the threats and options each of the combatants have.
 
Here's what I think would have been better:

Split this into a trilogy of movies: First movie is told from civilian experience from where the Kaiju first arrive. Second movie is about the rise of the Jaeger program. Third movie is Pacific Rim minus the background.

This would allow the suspense to kick in a bit more and care more about what's going on.

Also get better actors and be less campy.

Otherwise, the movie was extremely fun to watch, just wasn't that good.
 
Arment said:
They share everything, but while fighting they try to be clear minded or they'll have problems.

Really reminds me of EVA Synchronization.
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They share "everything" during piloting of what each others thought. Not the entire knowledge of each other in their whole life.

Like Raleigh won't know that Mako was secretly peeking on him unless she thought about it during piloting. Same case for the sword.
 
DTKT said:
Just saw it. Felt like a big incoherent mess. A mashup of every single cliche of American action cinema. Throw in some generic asian fluff for good measure. I understand that the film tried to build and assume the cliche-ed nature at it's core, but it just felt awkward from beginning to end.

Let's see.

Robots not using any weapons beyond their fists for most of the movie. What the fuck. How could you miss out on that kind of opportunity? Instead, you end up with similar camera/action for all the mechs. Plus, it's absolutely nonsensical from a "universe" perspective. Swords and blades seem to be effective as hell. Same argument could be made for ranged weapons. Though, those would be awkward since most of the fights were fought at close range.

That random love story. Was there something I missed? I know he has a kick ass body, but was she seriously peeping through the door for that? Was it supposed to be cute? I assume she was a huge fan of when that dude from Sons of Anarchy was a pilot?

The russian, chinese mechs. Christ, I just laughed when I saw them. I guess it stays true to whatever the American idea of those countries.

Now, that one is probably personal and quite big, but this movie made me realize that I have zero interest in "lizard" type creatures. I don't care about dinosaurs and I don't care about oversized "insert" creature name there. They don't feel powerful or scary.

I might also add that I had zero expectations before seeing the film.
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Really? I thought one of the best parts of Pacific Rim was that there wasn't a romantic relationship between the two. Her looking out at him wasn't really romantic, more curiosity and longing to be his partner in fighting.
 
Ken said:
So you're going to play with that one for like a minute?
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