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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty

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I just don't understand how this fucker walks Scott free? You know what kind of precedent this sets? Any dude who gets in any random street fight can gun the other dude down, as long as he doesn't "start it"


But then again, I doubt a black guy walks in the same situation.
 
The irony is you have Zimmerman stereotyping Martin. The public stereotyping an all women jury and then more stereotypes thrown around about how a white person could not sympathize with Martin 'because he's black'.

Honestly I think this case has brought out the worst in just about every group involved.

My view was that the evidence was not there to convict GZ of murder. But there certainly should have been something done about the fact that he disobeyed a direct order to stand down and not follow.

I'm sure Trayvon wasn't a great kid. I think the evidence shows this fairly clearly. But GZ isn't exactly the picture of grace. I'd feel embarassed for anyone that drove around their neighborhood looking for criminals. Not to mention doing it with a loaded handgun. Dude is clearly a douchebag. But I'd have a hard time calling him a murderer. Evidence pretty clearly shows he was getting the snot kicked out of him.

What evidence showed he was not a good kid?
 
The only problem is whether Trayvon was being "a punk" or felt threatened and took the opportunity to strike first (I'm more keen to the latter).

What would you do if an unknown man approaches you at night questioning your business?

I also have a problem with the defense saying that Martin "initiated the fight" when he tried to get away from Zimmerman and Zimmerman responded by getting out of his car and following him. How does that work, exactly?
 
I guarantee you that your grown ass would get beat down by a high school All American Defensive End.

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't confront him to begin with....

This is an insult to every actual case of civil rights violations.

The NAACP has fallen far.


/I guessed GZ was going to be convicted of Manslaughter.

Does an American not have a civil right to walk down the street without being accosted because they are Black by someone that's not even an authority figure?
 
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This case and the violent reactions is what you get when you have crazy gun laws where anyone can carry
 
Honestly the thing that makes me fall on GZ's "side" is getting your head smashed against the concrete.

I mean. I think that is fairly clear grounds to fear for your life. It doesn't take much of that before you die.
 
I'm curious. Who do you believe initiated the fight? Is the justice system "screwed up" because Zimmerman should've been charged regardless of who started the fight because he killed Treyvon?

If somehow evidence came to light (just hypothetically, no way this would happen) that proved that Treyvon started the fight, how would people react? Would they still be angry at the system or would they rethink their position?

Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes for a second. Guy is stalking you in a rainstorm from his car, words are exchanged but you walk away. Guy follows you. Who started the fight? The pursuer.
 
You can fear for your life all you want, but unless its a REASONABLE fear for one's life, you cannot use deadly force to stop an attacker.

The prosecution did a poor job rebutting Zimmerman's claim that he acted reasonably. It is not reasonable to presume that a fight is going to end up with someone dying.

I agree with the bolded.

However, I would take a small guess and assume most people have never had their head struck on concrete to know if one would fear for their life if it did in fact happen. That added to the fact that images like this were shown:

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Its not surprising that people took his word.
 
The primary application of the 'Stand your Ground' law in this case seems to justify Zimmerman's fear and suspicion of a black kid as reason enouth to chase and ultimately shoot him. The two are inseparable for Zimmerman's acquittal.

Stand your ground law was never used by the defense or considered in the courtroom. That law was completely irrelevant to this verdict, which was based on plain old vanilla self defense. Stand your ground laws would never "justify Zimmerman's fear and suspicion of a black kid as reason enouth to chase and ultimately shoot him" and justification or otherwise of Zimmerman's fear and suspicion is totally irrelevant to the issue of self defense.
 
I was jumped by 2 Mexicans and 3 Blacks going to my apartment after drinking at the bar down the street. I lost a tooth and had a fractured eye socket, I thought I was gonna die while they were stomping me. If I had had a gun, I would have shot indiscriminately. They came after me to rob my friend and I of our beer. No provocation and I was sucker punched from a man running full speed at me in the dark that I couldn't see.

Do some of you think I should have gone to jail had I shot and killed any of them had I had a weapon?
 
I just don't understand how this fucker walks Scott free? You know what kind of precedent this sets? Any dude who gets in any random street fight can gun the other dude down, as long as he doesn't "
Better yet, you can do this while possibly instigating the entire situation on your own. And since you killed the only witness who would be able to argue that they had been the one who initially felt threatened on top of it.
 
Prosecution obviously overcharged the fuck out of this case out of zealousness and that was not helped by all the racial politics which got injected into the case, however to this day I'm still surprised how this was turned into a black vs. white case when Zimmerman is hispanic.

This whole "black versus white" thing is a concept made up by white people who cannot conceive of racism as not being about them. The case is about being black.
 
I just don't understand how this fucker walks Scott free? You know what kind of precedent this sets? Any dude who gets in any random street fight can gun the other dude down, as long as he doesn't "start it"


But then again, I doubt a black guy walks in the same situation.

Black guy doesn't get millions of legal aid from fucking do-gooders. Embarrassing, but I'm not surprised in the slightest.
 
You can fear for your life all you want, but unless its a REASONABLE fear for one's life, you cannot use deadly force to stop an attacker.

The prosecution did a poor job rebutting Zimmerman's claim that he acted reasonably. It is not reasonable to presume that a fight is going to end up with someone dying.

Stand Your Ground says that it has to appear reasonable to you at the time of distress. Lots of things seem reasonable when you're getting your head smashed in.

As far as the verdict, I can't see there being a different one. The prosecution simply couldn't prove without a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman killed Martin out of anything but self defense.

The problem is with Florida law, which should get changed, and the national mentality of gun ownership as as being an irrevocable right and not a privilege for responsible adults.

If people want justice they should pressure their legislators and not this jury which made their verdict based on the evidence and laws at hand.
 
Didn't really follow this very much but AFAIK the prosecution had a very weak case, and the defence had a decent case. Zimmerman not being found guilty is actually a good thing, the justice system works and was doing its job. It can't just convict people based on popularity contests.
 
Honestly the thing that makes me fall on GZ's "side" is getting your head smashed against the concrete.

I mean. I think that is fairly clear grounds to fear for your life. It doesn't take much of that before you die.

Those injuries are not consistent with "getting your head smashed". They got into a fight and he couldn't hang so he shot the kid.

It's inexcusable that he didn't get manslaughter and the prosecution and jury should be ashamed of themselves
 
Are people seriously already getting shot in the street over this? Or is that just some non-proven hyperbole. This entire situation is ridiculous. What does going and shooting someone who had NOTHING to do with the case, either directly or on the periphery, accomplish?

Are we seriously going to see riotous behavior over this? It sucks, I agree - I thought the guy should be convicted of manslaughter, myself - but its over.. the system, flawed though it is, did what it was supposed to do. The evidence wasn't there for a conviction - even though I have no doubt in my mind GZ was a hothead who overreacted and panicked and didn't want to lose a fight.

HOW DOES SHOOTING SOMEONE HELP BRING TRAYVON BACK OR PUNISH GZ FOR HIS ACTIONS?
 
I'm curious. Who do you believe initiated the fight? Is the justice system "screwed up" because Zimmerman should've been charged regardless of who started the fight because he killed Treyvon?

If somehow evidence came to light (just hypothetically, no way this would happen) that proved that Treyvon started the fight, how would people react? Would they still be angry at the system or would they rethink their position?

Typically when someone instigates an confrontation and ends up getting punched or more as a result, people react with a "well he deserved it for starting something."

Many people feel Zimmerman initiated this whole thing by following Trayvon and then exiting the vehicle (no matter what the reason was). So I don't think you'll find many people who would change their mind even IF Trayvon threw the first punch.

There's a reason why the phrase "Talk shit, get hit" is an actual saying.
 
I was jumped by 2 Mexicans and 3 Blacks going to my apartment after drinking at the bar down the street. I lost a tooth and had a fractured eye socket, I thought I was gonna die while they were stomping me. If I had had a gun, I would have shot indiscriminately. They came after me to rob my friend and I of our beer. No provocation and I was sucker punched from a man running full speed at me in the dark that I couldn't see.

Do some of you think I should have gone to jail had I shot and killed any of them had I had a weapon?

Zimmerman pursued Trayvon after told not to. Your analogy falls apart.
 
I'm curious. Who do you believe initiated the fight? Is the justice system "screwed up" because Zimmerman should've been charged regardless of who started the fight because he killed Treyvon?

If somehow evidence came to light (just hypothetically, no way this would happen) that proved that Treyvon started the fight, how would people react? Would they still be angry at the system or would they rethink their position?

Zimmerman started the fight by stalking and confronting a teenager, and questioning him when he had no authority to do so.

Just imagine you're walking home from a store at night, and some creep is following you. How would that make you feel?
 
South Florida resident here. Before the verdict was reached I predicted he would not be found guilty of second degree murder, however I was uncertain about the manslaughter charge. At the end of the day, though, the defense's case for self defense was convincing and is what ultimately led to the verdict. They articulated the following:

1) Trayvon was the one who initiated the fight. According to Zimmerman. Rachael Jeantel's testimony claims Zimmerman did (Trayvon was aware he was being followed. "Get off!"). And phone records indicate that Trayvon was on the phone right up until the confrontation started. I don't know how many people start fights while mid-conversation on the phone.
2) As proof they stated Trayvon's corpse had no wounds other than the bullet wound while showing pictures of a wounded/bloody Zimmerman. Because all signs indicate that Zimmerman wasn't trying to beat up Trayvon. He was attempting to detain him until the police arrived, so of course TM would have no wounds.
3) They claimed the recorded yells for help was in fact from Zimmerman during this beat down, and for good measure he had friends who testified that it was in fact his voice. Both sides had testimony claiming it was TM or GZ's voice.
4) Because Zimmerman's head hit concrete he felt stunned and feared for his life. Again, in a confrontation he started according to witness testimony.
5) Zimmerman's only hope to stop being attacked was to use his gun. Which should have been physically impossible for him to reach if TM was beating him as he claimed and it was holstered against his back
5) Gun forensics show that Trayvon was in fact on top of him when the gun was fired. There was witness testimony that pointed to Zimmerman being on top at some points, indicating it was likely a rolling struggle

The above rhetoric was enough for jury to drop all charges against Zimmerman. They didn't believe beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was guilty of using excessive force in the way that he did.

Zimmerman didn't get off because the defense articulated anything clearly. EVERYTHING was contended. On NO LEVEL did Zimmerman's telling of the events that night make sense.

It all came down to the prosecution doing THAT bad a job handling this case.
 
I was jumped by 2 Mexicans and 3 Blacks going to my apartment after drinking at the bar down the street. I lost a tooth and had a fractured eye socket, I thought I was gonna die while they were stomping me. If I had had a gun, I would have shot indiscriminately. They came after me to rob my friend and I of our beer. No provocation and I was sucker punched from a man running full speed at me in the dark that I couldn't see.

Do some of you think I should have gone to jail had I shot and killed any of them had I had a weapon?

I fail to see the connection between your situation where you were the one attacked first while you were just doing your regular behavior leaving a bar going home and this case. In this case Zimmerman stalked/followed Martin around because he thought he was acting suspicious and confronted him with a gun instead of calling police and having them deal with any perceived problem.
 
I was jumped by 2 Mexicans and 3 Blacks going to my apartment after drinking at the bar down the street. I lost a tooth and had a fractured eye socket, I thought I was gonna die while they were stomping me. If I had had a gun, I would have shot indiscriminately. They came after me to rob my friend and I of our beer. No provocation and I was sucker punched from a man running full speed at me in the dark that I couldn't see.

Do some of you think I should have gone to jail had I shot and killed any of them had I had a weapon?
When does your televised trial start? No one was commenting on your situation.


Why the hell was their race relevant? Smh
 
I was jumped by 2 Mexicans and 3 Blacks going to my apartment after drinking at the bar down the street. I lost a tooth and had a fractured eye socket, I thought I was gonna die while they were stomping me. If I had had a gun, I would have shot indiscriminately. They came after me to rob my friend and I of our beer. No provocation and I was sucker punched from a man running full speed at me in the dark that I couldn't see.

Do some of you think I should have gone to jail had I shot and killed any of them had I had a weapon?

Why? Did you follow them conspicuously around in a car at night first?
 
I just don't understand how this fucker walks Scott free? You know what kind of precedent this sets? Any dude who gets in any random street fight can gun the other dude down, as long as he doesn't "start it"


But then again, I doubt a black guy walks in the same situation.


I don't keep up with the US news and politics much, but didn't OJ Simpson, a black guy, walk for a crime which he obviously committed in the public's eyes? So how can you just say that?
 
I agree with the bolded.

However, I would take a small guess and assume most people have never had their head struck on concrete to know if one would fear for their life if it did in fact happen. That added to the fact that images like this were shown:

george-zimmerman-bloody-head.png


Its not surprising that people took his word.

That looks like a couple minor scratches really, the head is known to bleed quite a bit due to the position of the veins close to the surface. There's no doubt he should have gotten manslaughter as he initiated things, but I guess Florida's laws are dumb.

I don't keep up with the US news and politics much, but didn't OJ Simpson, a black guy, walk for a crime which he obviously committed in the public's eyes? So how can you just say that?

That kind of ignores the treatment blacks get on a daily basis by police... by now most people are aware of the institutional racism in America... private prisons basically operating as slave labor camps and such.
 
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