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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty
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Ploid 3.0
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He racially profiled TM, which caused him to be a target of suspicion. The game was then on, which lead to the whole mess. He didn't leave it for the uniformed cops to take care of things. So many mistakes, the root being that the kid was black and maybe because it was raining, or because he had a hoodie on.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I find it strange that Trayvon who was stalked in the middle of the night by Zimmerman isn't protected under the stand your ground law as well. Technically under that law if Trayvon felt threatened he is allowed to defend him self with forceful defense, and Zimmerman himself said Trayvon saw his gun so he may have felt really threatened. I mean a guy stalking you in the middle of the night with a gun, most people won't respond well to that. However, he had a bad rep and I think this idea of "the world is better off without him" mentality seeps in whether knowingly or subconsciously and could have affected the jury some.
So really I don't think it matters how the story unfolded Zimmerman was always going to be the victim. If Trayvon was the one stalking Zimmerman in the middle of the night and ended up on his back and shot Zimmerman in self defense I think the ruling would have found Trayvon guilty of murder.
So really I don't think it matters how the story unfolded Zimmerman was always going to be the victim. If Trayvon was the one stalking Zimmerman in the middle of the night and ended up on his back and shot Zimmerman in self defense I think the ruling would have found Trayvon guilty of murder.
Aww, that's cute. Should have gone with a lower bar, maybe Junior High.
This might shock you but I really couldn't decipher some of his earlier posts.
Dude Abides
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I don't know, why do you have come here? And you're empirically wrong about the demographics of the LA situation. I suspect you weren't even alive when it happened.
Ploid 3.0
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Trayvon wasn't protected because he died. He can't defend a claim that he was defending himself with what he had to prevent bodily harm, kidnapping, or whatever.
Don't die, get attention if you can. Call for help? lol :\
Edit: Also when you scream for help from now on, include your name so it can be clear who screamed for evidence, in case someone is listening or recording. This is something we learn from. Don't let history repeat itself.
iamshadowlark
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Um that's not how that phrase works. If you claim something as fact, you need to be able to prove it. Legal verdicts aren't always fact, case in point.
Simple question. Which of Zimmermans lies do you pick to believe in?
1. He got out of his car, not to follow Martin, but to check street addresses.
2. He got out of his car to follow Martin but stopped when told to.
Obviously, thanks to the fact that he killed the only other person who witnessed the whole thing, he got away with killing someone.
What exactly do you gain from bringing this up?
You got lost when you tried to quote a post of mine where I responded to two people.
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Man-is-Obsolete
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That......sounds like a terribly broken interpretation of the law.
Not directed towards you but Florida.
Speaking of I do think that was trayvon yelling for help on in the background of that phone call.
But black people were violent and crazy back during the Rodney King riots? I think it was more that some people acted irrationally. It's incorrect to label based on the actions of a few, so you should stop doing that.
Well 65' was a long time ago. Or did you mean the the 1992 riot? Of course, he could be talking about the 1966' riots. So many white people participated in those.
How about you stop trying to talk down to people? Your not skilled at it anyway.
Haha, yeah. I just checked. GAF's quote system is awkward.
Sorry about that.
This case was about two things. The first thing it was about was a young person that died.
The second component is the race issue, fueled by the media pouring gasoline on the fire.
I wonder how many media executives are almost in tears this morning because black people are acting civilized.
AlimNassor
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Yep clearly underaged because I don't think everything is a race issue. Were you even alive? I doubt it. 92 was not long ago. I don't like being called a racist.
travisbickle
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Trayvon was protecting his neighborhood from weirdo stalkers with guns.
Zimmerman was protecting his neighborhood from black people.
Guess which one Florida thinks is not guilty?
Zimmerman was protecting his neighborhood from black people.
Guess which one Florida thinks is not guilty?
He does not say this. He's talking about the 4 minutes between phone calls between where Zimmerman claimed Martin was running and when we know contact was initiated again from the last 911 call. That is not evidence of Martin returning, which is why they did not present it as such during the case. They only speculated on it to cast doubt on what might have occurred during that time frame since they knew the prosecution would not have evidence to show exactly what took place in those minutes.
BattleMonkey
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Well if the prosecution could have proven that the kid was threatened or life was in danger, but with no witnesses and martin being dead.....
Dude Abides
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No, you're just talking out your ass about an event you clearly know nothing about.
I think you might need to catch up on the LA riots. There was a lot to that.
A lot.
AlimNassor
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how do i know nothing? Yet you are. i forget you're the almighty of intelligence.
BattleMonkey
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There was no twitter and Facebook. There would have been no King riots if twitter was around, just lot of angry tweets! Social media has pacified a nation.
Dude Abides
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Good thing I didn't do that, then.
Ugh
No. There were two entirely different climates between then and now. And just to put this in perspective, this isn't some huge revelation or casting of a first stone in race relations - many minorities "already understood" the dynamics of this case to begin with. This is nothing close to the weight of triggers that led to riots in the past.
Nowhere remotely close at all.
AlimNassor
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No, but you're accusing everyone of being racist.
Yeah. The expectation that blacks would riot is pretty much proof how low an opinion mainstream American society have for blacks. As you said, no doubt the networks were anticipating it (encouraging it, even?) as some sort of "event". Thankfully, the black community didn't fall into that trap and the networks and bigots were left disappointed.
We are tired and if we do that for every injustice we would never stop.
Angelus Errare
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The fact we're still free. That and latinos and women.
The fact they lost the right to say "Nigger", while rappers such as Heavy D, Sisqo, and Emienem say it in eveyr song.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Guess that's where it gets sticky for me and I'm sure many others. Zimmerman killed Trayvon, fact, and there was no substantial proof that it was in self defense. In fact eveidence shows Zimmerman pursued Trayvon not the other way around. Therefore, the charge should have been guilty of murder. Yet he is innocent because a jury "felt" it was self defense. Yet Trayvon can't be protected under the same pretense because he was killed.
Sounds absurd.
True. I'm just saying it's nice to see the black community didn't fall for such a blatant trap. Fox News and the rightwing would've had material for years otherwise.
So did Stormfront, militia groups, gun nuts, and Fox News.
I'm happy that black folks disappointed the simpletons among us.
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GOP will likely start to court Latinos in the coming years.
I swear, I thought that happened in Virginia. What ever happened to him?
Unless Heavy D recorded a few new tracks before his death, I don't think he'll be saying much of anything. And now I'm sad.
theignoramus
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Oh....
gotdamn
Civility is the greatest tool to fight injustice. But its damn hard to have civility in the face of injustice.
All the way from slavery to the civil rights movement in the 1950s, and 60s, civility is why the black community has made strides against oppression and injustice, IMO. All rioting does is play into every stereotype the media wants to paint black people with and it gives negative reinforcement to racists and bigots. Showing black people acting civil and standing up for themselves goes a lot farther in the long run, and people from all races are more likely to sympathize and take up the banner with you. History has proven this.
That is the joke, Fox news doesn't research.
The Librarian
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Forgive me, but were you being serious here? What was going on between the late fifties and sixties was on a level that is nowhere near where the state of the country it is today. There's no need to belittle what was going on then to try to make a point of what happened last night. I think you need to read up on your history to fully understand how ridiculous your statement sounds. If you were being serious that is.
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As for my opinion on the verdict, I am incredibly disappointed. I've tried to do some searching about why he was found not guilty. I found this article from Slate, and I understand the reasoning there. I do, however, agree with Josh Marshall that there's no reason he should've been charged with manslaughter given how reckless Zimmerman was acting that night.
Dude Abides
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No. My post that has you so worked up wasn't even directed at you, which makes your defensiveness even more puzzling.
Black Republican
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Pretty much this too. O'Mara did good.
Angelus Errare
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What's there to research? Isn't it known all black people are thug gangbangers looking to steal and cause trouble?! Always wantin free stuff!
You clearly implied it. Again i just feel that is an unfair characterization so I pointed it out. Learn from it and move on.
Dude Abides
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No, I didn't. Read for comprehension, learn from it, and move on.
Same could be said for many other news organizations, as much as I hate fox they aren't the only only bigots in the media.
That makes sense considering he's under age and cannot carry around a loaded fire arm.
Yeah I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
It's like he's trying to teach you a point that you've made yourself.
On facebook:
Me: So you really can't see anything wrong with a law that essentially makes it ok to murder if there are no witnesses due to you claiming self defense and just have to let prosecution try to disprove your claim?
Me: This law is flawed.
Friend: Or, alternatively, there are no witnesses and you are killed by your attacker because he was twice your size and you couldn't use deadly force
GAF, I just can't...
Me: So you really can't see anything wrong with a law that essentially makes it ok to murder if there are no witnesses due to you claiming self defense and just have to let prosecution try to disprove your claim?
Me: This law is flawed.
Friend: Or, alternatively, there are no witnesses and you are killed by your attacker because he was twice your size and you couldn't use deadly force
GAF, I just can't...
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