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Pacific Rim Spoiler Thread: Today, We Are Cancelling the Use of Spoiler Tags!
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Razgriz-Specter
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Did anyone think the scene of Gypsy floating down at the end had a vibe of some symbolic scene from Evangelion?
If I remember correctly, Hong Kong's backstreets were lifted from photographic reference almost 1:1 too, with even things like the signs being correct for the people who could read them. I think they felt very consistent with the reality of the film, and very lived in.
I disagree with this point. Every single character, down to the names, was stylized and very archetypical. Hannibal Chau was a cartoon, Newt as the other scientist wannabe rockstar worked in tandem with Burn's character for comedic relief, Stacker as the hardened war hero with a softer side who is not above a cheesy speech and sacrifice, Chuck as the main character's tough rival, Mako almost anime-like looking up to her father figure and wanting to prove herself, even Raleigh as the blanket hero figure who has suffered loss never felt or played it like an Iraq war veteran. I never felt any of them played it straight as if this was an end of the world serious war movie, they played it very much like the one note they were, with a hint of an adventurous spirit. They were very simplistic, you can call their acting bad or the script terrible, but never out of place I think.
too much orange
The whole beginning sequence made me think of Evangelion. It's definitely an influence, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
If his last act before ejecting had been to flip the tiny aliens the bird with his one good hand, the movie would have achieved full Overdrift.
Because the breach is in the middle of the deep ocean?
The most frequent amount of attacks by the Kaiju that occurred the year before, was 14 in 12 months. Before then it was easily months apart. You're going to have Jaegers and their pilots floating in the ocean for months? What about the logistics of the maintenance crews and their food supply.
Jaegers have a serious disadvantage in the deep water, and it would cost even more to have supply lines created and protected from land to the breach zone. The Shatterdomes built on land around the Pacific Rim already required pooling the world's resources and they had the logistical convenience of being near the manufacturing sectors and workers.
More like Independence Day.
The scene was supposed to mirror how the humans reacted to the Kaiju. We were essentially dropping our own Kaiju into the rift.
demosthenes
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yeah perfect way to describe it
They actually said that they waited until global warming showed up because that was a nicely compatible environment for them. We terra formed for their needs. For free.
BUT ROBOT PUNCH
Jack Scofield
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Psh, it only took us humans a few decades to cause global warming. Those aliens preferred to wait 65 million years instead of getting that shit done themselves? Lazy aliens...
Riposte
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I liked it, mainly for the visuals (3D was delicious) and concept (and the japanese chick), but I felt like I was promised some awesome world federation robot hijinks and all I got was fodder from China and Russia. Why can't movies ever get that right? I wasn't asking for something as artful as G Gundam, but you could have delivered something more than both teams getting TKO'd in one fight before even taking down one kaiju. Lame.
Anyway, it seemed the plot and characters lagged behind the visuals - in awesomeness, gags, and general impact. I feel like the people doing the visuals knew they were bringing to life an awesome mecha manga, but whoever wrote the script/story wasn't on the same page. It swings between awesome "cheesy" and not-so-interesting "cheesy". Even the "canceling the apocalypse" speech wasn't that good. Awesome the one time I heard it in a trailer, but they didn't really go for it in the actual film.
Whatever I put my money down on it and I'd do it again in an instant. I hope we can get more movies like this in the future. In my fantasy world, this movie is a monster success and is the beginning of mecha and/or 80s-90s anime influence trend that rivals the superheros one. Don't bother waking me up.
One last thing... I could not stop thinking about this youtube video while watching it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2IWxqvsSY8
Anyway, it seemed the plot and characters lagged behind the visuals - in awesomeness, gags, and general impact. I feel like the people doing the visuals knew they were bringing to life an awesome mecha manga, but whoever wrote the script/story wasn't on the same page. It swings between awesome "cheesy" and not-so-interesting "cheesy". Even the "canceling the apocalypse" speech wasn't that good. Awesome the one time I heard it in a trailer, but they didn't really go for it in the actual film.
Whatever I put my money down on it and I'd do it again in an instant. I hope we can get more movies like this in the future. In my fantasy world, this movie is a monster success and is the beginning of mecha and/or 80s-90s anime influence trend that rivals the superheros one. Don't bother waking me up.
One last thing... I could not stop thinking about this youtube video while watching it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2IWxqvsSY8
thesoapster
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Yeah that's a good one. During the Hong Kong fight there is a shot that shows a helicopter in the foreground and it looks like a gnat
please, go ahead and tell us the "hundred and one ways to deal with the Kaiju".
Did any robots punch monsters right in the fucking face?
1. NO therefore point is valid.
2. YES therefore point is invalid.
It was obvious to our crew five minutes in, that thatwasthepoint.gif
Riposte
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Yeah, I barely saw anything. Ship was an awesome moment. Maybe not as awesome as it should have been though.
I kept waiting to see when South America would get in on dat action but nope.
i'd honestly be surprised if they didn't have any fight-capable jaegers waiting secretly in the wing somewhere
with a production budget of $190 million, Pacific Rim would indeed have to earn more than $285 million to break even. http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=pacificrim.htm
generally, marketing costs of a film is 50% of the production costs. as an example, $190 million (production) x 1.5 = $285 million (production + marketing). the assumption is studios are prepared to spend a lot of money promoting the film if it cost them a lot money to make the film.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Which nobody knew about when they initiated operation rockem sockem robots and let George Bluth build a wall to keep the monsters out.
Even if I don't try to dispute the idea that maintaining a minefield on the oceanfloor surrounded by a couple of big arse guns is more expensive than maintaining a fleet of 30 skyscraper sized robots (lol), my "boring" plan prevents the Kaiju from reaching and wreaking havoc with cities, which they routinely do with the Jager plan. How many billions of dollars of damage do you think they cause when they wreck a few skyscrapers and destroy a dock? The construction of a mobile strikeforce of mostly-conventional weapons in case Kaiju slip past the first line of defense is indeed possible and desireable, but instead of tiny fighters going in for guns it should be a fleet of low cost bomb trucks like B52s dropping 4,000 lb guided munitions from low-to-medium altitude. Then you keep tactical, sub-kilotonne nuclear weapons on hand because we KNOW they work.
Detonating nukes over populated cities is one thing, and its understandible why people would object. But deep underwater explosions in the middle of nowhere in the pacific ocean? What's the objection exactly? Even if you just keep them as a couple of nuclear tipped torpedos as a last resort to prevent them escaping and destroying cities and shit, it's foolish not to have this stuff on hand. It's absolutely logical.
Lol awesome. I obviously didn't want the movie to be about curb stomping noobs at spawn. But I do want to know if there were any reasons given in the movie or fuck, even teh supplementary materials as to why the most obviously advantageous defense plan wasn't put into effect. For example, they could have had the bridge appear in a different spot every time it opens, and then the scientists have to figure out where, exactly, the new opening location will be, so that they can anticipate its arrival and drop the bomb off into the hole before it disappears.
Then, they need to explain why punching and swinging swords works, but enormous explosives capable of punching through 100m of dirt then blowing up a concrete fortress underground doesn't work. People mentioned Evangelion before in another context, but that's actually a good example where they did provide a rationale for it. The AT fields that Evas and their pilots have are what is punching through the hostile AT field when engaged in melee combat. Even nuclear weapons have a very tough time of dealing with the AT fields, which are essentially a giant force field. The Evas themselves are basically lab-grown angels that humans are controlling, not giant robots (despite external appearance).
TheKaeptain
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lol it's like those few hours after sex and you don't give a shit about anything because you just had sex. Except watching PR is BUT ROCKET PUNCH
Actually during the wall construction scene the guys were wearing what look like 3D Maneuver Gear.
bodyofanamerican
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One thing I loved was how every Kaiju fight had stakes. None of them seemed easy or a slam dunk, really added to the tension/excitement.
Evolution_1ne
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When Striker Eureka started running to save Cherno and Crimson, I mean when it really kicked into gear, that shit was so awesome. The mobility of the Jaeger was something else
I loved that shot. I wish they showed more of Eureka. It's like a gundam mixed with a F-22
timetokill
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haha man I laughed when those fish got fucked up after the first nuke blast
hilarious
She had several lines?
She said some stuff when they pulled out the sword. She also said some stuff at the end when Stacker sacrificed himself.
I mean, there wasn't very much dialogue during the fighting sequences in the first place.
Definitely, just got finished seeing this an hour ago and that whole sequence was my favorite part. When they pull out the sword after getting carried high in the sky, I was like "FUCK YES!"
That's why I said hassle, not talking about overall expenses which I believe are impossible to calculate. Of course, if we are going the realistic route there is no scenario in which making giant robots is a ever better idea, economics involved or not
I thought you meant big stationary weapon systems on the ocean floor, and the mines, and a big ass wall that could stop them before they reached the coast, all built miles beneath the sea level. If a kaiju comes out, and destroys these guns and defenses, rebuilding and resetting all those systems at that depth is as big a logistics nightmare as is lifting giant destroyed robots from the coast, that's all that I was getting at. I don't know how good we are at building giant deep sea structures, so maybe we need a kaiju attack to find out.
The whole idea (which they probably failed to convey) was that the kaiju were these sort of unstoppable forces that just kept going, and conventional warfare took too long to fell them and too much collateral damage, so it was absolutely needed to have something big that could stand in their way and grapple with them to stop them before reaching the cities (their primary target). I don't think the idea was to ever let them set foot on land obviously, and the ones we see slip by are after the Jaeger program is on shambles.
At this point I'm not sure what we are going back and forth about, but I take it you felt there could've been a better, more realistic plan of attack that involved the military parallel or prior to creating the giant robots, and the movie didn't satisfy your needs for that kind of leap of logic. I can see that, but I don't see the purpose of even going over them in this movie. I myself thought of big ass nets that could be deployed by submarines or planes to trap them and drag them around. I want to think the filmmakers made the effort to put all their eggs into the giant fights baskets and that's why they just glossed over anything else that wasn't that. I don't think all the things that were not considered inside the movie were out of neglect. If that broke your suspension of disbelief, well then that sucks =/
Deep water nuclear explosions do have an effect on Earth. Water moves you know, water cycle and all that. I don't know how many kaiju there were in total, but it had to be dozens, so that is dozens and dozens of nukes detonated to stop them. Sure, probably a better or more effective plan, but then we wouldn't have giant robots.
TheGreatDirector
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I enjoyed the design of the Kaijus and the music whenever the Kaijus were attacking. The acting of the people however could've been done much better.
Yeah, I really wish they'd picked a different lead. He has the charisma of a rock.
forgeforsaken
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Did Idris as Pentecost remind anyone else of The Colonel from Akira?
SerArthurDayne
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I was going to wait and see it later, but my brother sent me a text at 3am that said it was awesome. So I dragged myself down to the local LieMax and enjoyed the hell out of it. 3d was pretty good, if that is your thing. Charlie campiness was overdone, but still enjoyable. Great, fun film.
edit: I did think the main guys accent was pretty bad. Well, maybe not bad in the sense that I can point out any specific slips, but I just didn't believe he was actually American. I've never seen Sons of Anarchy, but Google seems to be telling me that people think he does a great job with it. Maybe it was just the way he pronounced certain words. Certainly not a Sam Worthington type of situation, regardless.
edit: I did think the main guys accent was pretty bad. Well, maybe not bad in the sense that I can point out any specific slips, but I just didn't believe he was actually American. I've never seen Sons of Anarchy, but Google seems to be telling me that people think he does a great job with it. Maybe it was just the way he pronounced certain words. Certainly not a Sam Worthington type of situation, regardless.
Mr_Antimatter
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A lot of it reminded me of a live action Evangelion, minus the religious mumbo jumbo and teen angst of Eva.
Rocked my socks off, can't wait for the blu-rays.
Rocked my socks off, can't wait for the blu-rays.
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