The Faceless Master
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some people just see it as "hey guys, we have it bad too! this one time someone called me cracker and i thought he was offering me a Ritz and then i realized what was going on and felt so offended!"
White people can't experience racism?
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some people just see it as "hey guys, we have it bad too! this one time someone called me cracker and i thought he was offering me a Ritz and then i realized what was going on and felt so offended!"
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They certainly CAN. However, I'm skeptical of the claim that institutionalized racism against whites is a significant problem.
White people can experience racism. They just aren't in a position be negatively affected by it in most of the world (even where they are a minority).
Has someone posted that Louis CK bit on being white yet?
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that racism is a significant problem that negatively affects white people in Asia, South America and Africa?
Has someone posted that Louis CK bit on being white yet?
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that racism is a significant problem that negatively affects white people in Asia, South America and Africa?
Location location location. Of course it's not a significant problem in NA, Europe or Australia, but there's still three more continents.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Don't do this stupid shit. It doesn't move the conversation and it devalues others feelings who have been on the receiving side of racism, no matter the skin color.
……forgetit
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Of course white people experience racism, especially in primary non-white areas, it can also be worse seeing as there are little to no social repercussions for it. That said, I have seen a huge amount of white people saying it's racist to call them racist though, no that shit boggles the mind.
Trojita
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Scenario
98% black town. All of City Council is black. The Mayor is black.
A racist guy that is white lives in this town and is constantly telling black people that he doesn't want them to walk on the sidewalk in front of his house. The way he says this is by using very hateful racist slurs.
Are you telling me you wouldn't call this guy racist? He's racist.
98% black town. All of City Council is black. The Mayor is black.
A racist guy that is white lives in this town and is constantly telling black people that he doesn't want them to walk on the sidewalk in front of his house. The way he says this is by using very hateful racist slurs.
Are you telling me you wouldn't call this guy racist? He's racist.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm skeptical of the claim on most continents. Even on predominately dark-skinned continents, we often see examples of anti-dark skin racism.
Vicetrailia
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Use the same scale. If the black people were racist and assaulted your family because of it, your family could inject their problems back at those blacks without actually being racist. His scale is off the charts compared to yours.
The Faceless Master
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the context was pretty clear...
someone even replied with this gem.
No, using my logic, if they were still inhabiting land their direct ancestors took from your direct ancestors, there's more than just racism to it. There's certainly racism involved in Zimbabwe (in both directions), but to ignore the historical context of the situation is to present a dishonest picture.
Baraka in the White House
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Of course white people can experience racism. Any race can experience racism. But it's no secret that depending on what part of the world you're in, certain races have experienced and/or continue to experience systemic, enduring racist attitudes and behaviors. There's a difference between being subjected repeatedly to, say, a justice system that routinely arrests and imprisons a certain race disproportionally compared to other races and a white guy being called a cracker while walking down the street.
Are they both racist situations? Sure, but don't presume to preach how easy it is to overcome the latter to someone who has experienced the former.
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Are they both racist situations? Sure, but don't presume to preach how easy it is to overcome the latter to someone who has experienced the former.
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There's more than just one country on this planet
Correct. I speaking from a black man in an American society viewpoint.
I guess a white man would recieve racial treatment from somewhere in Asia, but nothing to the effect of history. The times have simple changed
this is another debate, but all land that humans live on is land that was taken from someone else at some point in history.
stufte
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He also forgot to include Asians. Would people be losing their shit if someone who was Asian shared their story? Yah.
Yes, but some people do stand behind their argument that racism, for blacks, is more of a whine as they've experience racism themselves, and manage just fine. This is how some posts come off. (not really talking about the thread in OP, didn't participate much in that, but overall) Thats the attitude that I think boils these things over the top that does ignore the institutionalized bit. And then it gets confused into generalizing everyone, and nothing productive happens in the thread. Just gets heated, bish shows up, and well.. your aunt is brenda.
Trojita
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Sorry it took me a while, painting, anyhoo..
I think that white people can be prejudiced against.
I think that Racism is the same prejudice ideal combined with the power of institutionalization which spreads into society.
Am I saying that white people can't be victims of prejudice or Xenophobia..?
No. But Racism is something only a person of color can experience.
IdreamofHIME
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I used to live in a town of 33,000 people where I was one of 8 white people officially living there.
I sure saw my share of prejudice.
Racism isn't between Blacks and Whites in America, go travel the world. See different cultures. I love Asia and I lived there a long time, but holy shit did I get random abuse just for not being Asian.
I sure saw my share of prejudice.
Racism isn't between Blacks and Whites in America, go travel the world. See different cultures. I love Asia and I lived there a long time, but holy shit did I get random abuse just for not being Asian.
Deified Data
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Could you clarify? Do you mean you think whites react more dramatically to perceived racism than minorities?
psrock
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It's not that simple. I really saw a lot of racist actions from black people, but it was usually towards other blacks. In my country, I knew plenty of dark skin blacks who couldn't get a decent job because of their skin color while light skin blacks got it.
Maybe some white folks can tell me what form of racism have they faced?
Maybe some white folks can tell me what form of racism have they faced?
jim-jam bongs
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What about places where the majority of people aren't white, though? Isn't it possible for prejudice against white people to become institutionalised in that situation?
vas_a_morir
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Remember in P.Diddy's Making the Band when that white boy started crying because someone called him a cracker?
That made me roll my fucking eyes so hard they rolled outta my head.
That made me roll my fucking eyes so hard they rolled outta my head.
stufte
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Power can exist in the micro, not just the macro. For example if a group of 20 black men in a predominantly black neighborhood threaten/intimidate/harm a man because of the color of his skin, the power is in the numbers. If you want to include power as a predetermination of racism, then you have to realize that it's not always large-scale. Sorry.
The Faceless Master
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'also'?
Choke on the Magic
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Are you trying to change the definition of racism? Or do you only consider "institutionalized racism" to be true racism?
MilesWebber
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As a white man here's what I get a lot from non-white people.
Oh, you must ski.
You eat a lot of mayo?
You're credit is good, right?
You can afford that!
You must drive like an old lady.
You are terrified of anyone who it's white.
Pretty timid except for the last one. Basically all white people in the US are now considered closet racists by non-whites (dat sweeping generalization, I know). I like to mix with everyone and see what happens and offen I like to laugh about cultural differences between my friends and I. I love being included in that kind of stuff, though.
Edit: also "You're white, you wouldn't understand."
Oh, you must ski.
You eat a lot of mayo?
You're credit is good, right?
You can afford that!
You must drive like an old lady.
You are terrified of anyone who it's white.
Pretty timid except for the last one. Basically all white people in the US are now considered closet racists by non-whites (dat sweeping generalization, I know). I like to mix with everyone and see what happens and offen I like to laugh about cultural differences between my friends and I. I love being included in that kind of stuff, though.
Edit: also "You're white, you wouldn't understand."
I think he's mainly talking about NA/SA/Europe/Australia, where the majority of this boards members are from.
stufte
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Fine. "He forgot to include Asians. Would people be losing their shit if someone who was Asian shared their story? Yah."
Will that get a better response out of you?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Exactly. The issue with these threads is that they always boil down to a numbers game. "Well, that's not true for most people of X gender/skin tone/nationality" as if the fact that they're not part of the privileged norm is of any comfort to the individual. People from all sides of these issues can't seem to give a shit about the marginalized on any side, even if that margin allows for millions of actual, individuals who have a life to live too.
Of course... They haven't felt that sort of antagonisim. The experience is new. Much more potent...
Imagine how a white person would react if they entered a bar and ordered a drink... The bartender turned around and said "We don't serve your kind here"
They wouldn't know how to react is my guess.
It depends on the country to be honest. Using my country as a litmus, I still consider it prejudice and xenophobia. Excuse my language but when the Oyinbo come it isn't considered a bad thing at all and many still profit from the colonialist grip still held in Nigeria.
I can't speak for other countries like Kenya or Congo, but in the case of the latter who wouldn't have a latent prejudice after the work of Leopold II...
Choke on the Magic
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So in your opinion did I shit up his thread by posting my story in there? I'd love to here from the OP of that thread as well. If so I'll gladly take the post down.
Of course we can, and I've been on the receiving end of prejudices, but it doesn't bother me, I guess because my kin have no history of being systematically oppressed. Even being part Jewish, it doesn't bother me when people crack jokes, but I don't take life too seriously.. I've probably been prejudiced against all sorts of minorities in my time, but I'm trying to be better and learn from my mistakes.
Well, no, because we started in Africa, so at some point in history you could just waltz into empty land and claim it, but generally speaking, yes, most extant countries stole their land from someone.
And where that event still lives in human memory (including memories passed down to ancestors) those removed are pissed about it, and not because the removers have different color skin.
Kinda surprised it took this long. Usually it's dropped within a few posts of anybody approaching this topic.
Northeastmonk
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I remember this tweet from Adria Richards that got dug up during the whole PyCon sex joke thing.
Not to change subjects, but don't they use the same argument when people get sexually abused? Don't some see that as a position of power?
I think racism is defined clearly by unfair treatment of another person based on race, ethnicity, or background.
The argument that most pedos are married to a woman and have kids. That's racist. Yea it can happen to whites.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Uh. I have some pretty bad news, brohim.
It's true racism in the sense that it's the racism that effectively hold back a group of people from doing what they want to do. Individual racism sucks, but if someone goes and calls me a slur, I can still go about my day and do the things I want to do. Systematic racism effectively stops that and limits what I can and can not do in my daily life, whether that be get a job/promotion/Drink from a particular fountain, etc.
This is pretty much what I was thinking that entire thread. I mean, yeah we know it happens, but please just let us have this moment at least.
White people can be victims of racism, but really the outcry you are seeing with the Trayvon Martin case has less to do with person to person manifestation of racism and more to do with the systematic institution in place that punishes the minority more than the majority. White people are still the majority in this country and thus enjoy perks associated with that position that they take for granted. You have a variety of media in place that caters to the majority to reap the biggest profits, which results in white-washed cast of characters and an aversion to take a risk with minority leads. The Martin case was judged by a panel consisting 5/6 white jurors with a point-of-view of the world that reflects the ~80% white population make-up of Seminole county, who collectively agreed that racism should have no bearing in their deliberations.
Regardless of the efforts being made to punish racism and get minorities up to speed, there is a white majority in positions of power that can represent their race in a positive light and judge their peers more comfortably knowing they come from the 'same' background. You can get your feelings hurt or lose out on a job or two because they don't want the cracker in their business, but you have an easier time walking away and finding opportunities elsewhere. There is still a huge imbalance in place in terms of how we deal with race, it just so happens being white is what will result in the largest set of benefits. You may not think that there are perks that you are enjoying because you don't have it as good as the CEOs of America, but these are things you won't be able to notice because you have never experienced a non-white existence.
White people can be victims of racism. But in light of the decision made in the Trayvon Martin case and the complete removal of race from the equation by the jurors in power, we just ask that everyone take a good hard look at how they live their life and see what they can do to improve race relations in this country. People aren't just getting angry or upset for their health.
Regardless of the efforts being made to punish racism and get minorities up to speed, there is a white majority in positions of power that can represent their race in a positive light and judge their peers more comfortably knowing they come from the 'same' background. You can get your feelings hurt or lose out on a job or two because they don't want the cracker in their business, but you have an easier time walking away and finding opportunities elsewhere. There is still a huge imbalance in place in terms of how we deal with race, it just so happens being white is what will result in the largest set of benefits. You may not think that there are perks that you are enjoying because you don't have it as good as the CEOs of America, but these are things you won't be able to notice because you have never experienced a non-white existence.
White people can be victims of racism. But in light of the decision made in the Trayvon Martin case and the complete removal of race from the equation by the jurors in power, we just ask that everyone take a good hard look at how they live their life and see what they can do to improve race relations in this country. People aren't just getting angry or upset for their health.
I think bolded is a good definition for textbook racisim.
To your unbolded... That's not racist.. Being a Pedophile isn't a race XD
At least I hope not!!
Northeastmonk
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Don't call me white, I'm Caucasian.
I asked a question in a sex ed class once about the classification of pedos and she said "married with kids". Next words I felt she was going to say were "and white".
I asked a question in a sex ed class once about the classification of pedos and she said "married with kids". Next words I felt she was going to say were "and white".
Choke on the Magic
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power+prejudice can exist in macro or micro environments. Having a tier racism scale doesn't change the fact that it's still racism and can happen to anyone.
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