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[Metallix87]

wii u has no madden,no ncaa, no fifa, no nba2k, no mlb2k, no pga and no nhl. they don't even have wwe this year.

basically they should put every sports game in it because there are zero actual sports game releases for the system.

I really think Nintendo should create teams specifically to handle sports for their systems. They have the resources to do it, certainly, and I think offering alternatives to the big name sports franchises is a rather creative way to combat their lack of those titles.

Mario Sports titles work, too, but I more meant like Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball on the Gamecube.

 

[marc^o^]

I really think Nintendo should create teams specifically to handle sports for their systems.

I'm hoping for a Hockey arcade game using left analog stick to move, the 2 left triggers for actions, and the stylus acting as the cross.

 

[saichi]

It's like that dumb chalboard image. How many people really expected Pikmin 3 to "save" the Wii U? Improve its sales? Do better than it actually did? Sure, but find me someone who actually said "when Pikmin 3 comes out, Wii U sales will explode like with the Wii."

Wonderful 101 is on that chalk board. I'm sure everyone expected it to be huge seller in Japan and WW to save Wii U.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

top 50.

Pikmin 3 48.45% ouch.

Where's the ouch part?

 

[Kid Ying]

I really think Nintendo should create teams specifically to handle sports for their systems. They have the resources to do it, certainly, and I think offering alternatives to the big name sports franchises is a rather creative way to combat their lack of those titles.

Mario Sports titles work, too, but I more meant like Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball on the Gamecube.

I think they didn't go that path to not anger anyone in the past, but since now there's no kind of support for that, nothing to lose.

Personally, i don't care. Never bought any sports game after ISS64. I know some people like it, but it's not my cup of tea.

Also, Sniper Elite was released a couple of days ago. On the eshop, after those two days, it managed the feat of overtaking Injustice (on it's third week) on the top 20 Wii-u only not counting Virtual console, so i guess we have a sucess story right here.

Hope Lego City gets a better fate. Right now, it's on the 37 place on amazon, so at least there's an interest. Not on the Pikmin level, but better than nothing. Half of it's launch on US would be astonishing.

 

[allan-bh]

For those who like Media Create numbers, they provided Pikmin update:

First Week / LTD

[NGC] Pikmin- 90.000 / 549.000
[NGC] Pikmin 2- 160.000 / 484.000

 

[onipex]

How about Brain Age? It had the similar hype wave where everybody was talking about it and you had to go out and play it and then that dried up.

What about Animal Crossing? That game also appealed to an audience that was said to have moved on to smart devices and social network games.

Game and Wario is proof that the casual audience doesn't care about Wii ____?

:lol

That is funny. Nintendo hasn't done a casual push for the console. It's like people don't know what the casual push for the Wii was and just think it was about releasing a mini game collection and calling it a day. Million plus selling mini games existed on Nintendo consoles long before Wii Sports. I don't think a casual push will lead to Wii type results , but it would be good for Nintendo to make that push instead of just thinking that they have moved on.

 

[Chris1964]

first day sellthrough

[3DS] Mario & Luigi RPG 4 <20%
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience W <20%
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 - 30-40%
[WIU] Sniper Elite V2 - the expected

 

[schuelma]

first day sellthrough

[3DS] Mario & Luigi RPG 4 <20%
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience W <20%

Yikes.

 

[cws]

first day sellthrough

[3DS] Mario & Luigi RPG 4 <20%
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience W <20%
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 - 30-40%
[WIU] Sniper Elite V2 - the expected

I am disappointed Japan. Hope Paper Mario 3DS didnt burn bridges..or is it too soon ?

 

[crinale]

[WIU] Sniper Elite V2 - the expected

Kinda sad he had to call it "Rabbits Land of the Week"
(He does it occasionally to the software that bombed).

 

[BlackJace]

Wasn't there a report about retailers not being disappointed in MRPG 4 first day because it was released on an awkward day or something?

 

[Mpl90]

I wanted a better sell-through for M&L4, but it's a Mario title, not worried at all.

 

[Mpl90]

Wasn't there are report about retailers not being disappointed in MRPG 4 first day because it was released on an awkward day or something?

OH SHIT, THE HEAT WAVE

No, IIRC they're not worried because they now Mario titles sell well through weekend.

 

[BlackJace]

OH SHIT, THE HEAT WAVE

No, IIRC they're not worried because they now Mario titles sell well through weekend.

Ah, I see, thanks.

 

[Nirolak]

first day sellthrough

[3DS] Mario & Luigi RPG 4 <20%
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience W <20%
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 - 30-40%
[WIU] Sniper Elite V2 - the expected

Maybe I'm insane, but FFXIII-2 came out a while ago.

Is this the re-release?

 

[crinale]

Maybe I'm insane, but FFXIII-2 came out a while ago.

Is this the re-release?

Yes, the budget release.

 

[Bruno MB]

Year of Luigi only lasted for 6 months.

 

[idlewild_]

Maybe I'm insane, but FFXIII-2 came out a while ago.

Is this the re-release?

There were two budget versions released, one with the base game and another including all the DLC.

 

[Mario007]

Maybe I'm insane, but FFXIII-2 came out a while ago.

Is this the re-release?

DLC edition.

 

[Road]

Mario & Luigi numbers are normal Nintendo numbers. (Paper Mario Sticker Star was 20% first day too)

It's Level 5 that has to start to worry with the way they're milking their franchises to death.

And Wii U is already dead, we know.

 

[Aquamarine]

first day sellthrough

[3DS] Mario & Luigi RPG 4 <20%
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience W <20%
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 - 30-40%
[WIU] Sniper Elite V2 - the expected

I sincerely hope this doesn't eventually translate into a cancellation of AlphaDream's excellent Mario & Luigi series.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

C'mon, these games are going to sell over the weekend.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I sincerely hope this doesn't eventually translate into a cancellation of AlphaDream's excellent Mario & Luigi series.

It sure would be nice if they were unshackled and set to work on some new IP instead though!

 

[shinra-bansho]

What kind of turnaround do you think is possible at all at this point? I wouldn't blame you if you believe that it's a lost cause indefinitely but I also don't think it's too irrational to think they might be able to improve their fortunes significantly.

I really dislike it when people refer to a irrational nondescript entity as if they make up a sizable vocal group. You say "some people" but I don't think I've seen anyone imply that it's likely that nintendo will work their way out of 3rd place for months now. The vast majority seems well aware that the Wii U is selling like shit. No one is really refuting that (though a very small minority does like to blame random factors such as the weather). If you wanna say Wii U is dead, that's fine, but trying to call out "some people" for saying it's not a foregone conclusion seems pretty silly to me.

What I think is within the realms of plausibility are a doubling of sales; stretching the realms of plausibility - a tripling. Based on historical precedent not favoring more than such. And it needs to do so just to match the GameCube.

Most people tend to keep their "turnaround" talk rather nebulous. I've asked often what people are actually expecting in terms of actual numbers or percentage changes in such threads. But they make no secret in the manner they post their expectations aren't just for Mario Kart to simply get the system to manage 100K non-holiday NPDs. Talk of how it's "only" been 8 months, isn't optimism about a system going from completely horrid sales to just not particularly good sales.

In terms of numbers, people fight the notion that the system will end up like the GameCube, when that's seems quite likely and would actually be a vast improvement at this juncture, and I've seen people still predicting numbers ranging from the N64 level globally, to more ridiculous notions of 50M+.

And I've said before, I think the notion of it being "dead" is hyperbolic, since Nintendo is not Sega and they will not be Dreamcasted. But it has essentially been consigned to irrelevance.

 

[Bruno MB]

Mario & Luigi numbers are normal Nintendo numbers. (Paper Mario Sticker Star was 20% first day too)

It's Level 5 that has to start to worry with the way they're milking their franchises to death.

And Wii U is already dead, we know.

And its first week sell-through was just 33% but holiday season helped a lot. Without that boost Mario & Luigi RPG 4 probably won't get past 400.000 units.

[NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo) - 155.000 (57%) [2 days since it was released on Wednesday]

 

[cws]

If M&L 4 gets outsold by Paper Mario when its all said and done i`ll be sad.

 

[Madouu]

And its first week sell-through was just 33% but holiday season helped a lot. Without that boost it probably won't get past 400.000 units.

[NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo) - 155,000 (57%) [2 days since it was released on Wednesday]

haha you seem a little bit angry at the year of Luigi.

Like I said before, I agree M&L4 won't sell as good as the previous games.

If M&L 4 gets outsold by Paper Mario when its all said and done i`ll be sad.

That's what I'm expecting personally.

 

[ambientmystic]

What I think is within the realms of plausibility are a doubling of sales; stretching the realms of plausibility - a tripling. Based on historical precedent not favoring more than such. And it needs to do so just to match the GameCube.

Most people tend to keep their "turnaround" talk rather nebulous. I've asked often what people are actually expecting in terms of actual numbers or percentage changes in such threads. But they make no secret in the manner they post their expectations aren't just for Mario Kart to simply get the system to manage 100K non-holiday NPDs. Talk of how it's "only" been 8 months, isn't optimism about a system going from completely horrid sales to just not particularly good sales.

In terms of numbers, people fight the notion that the system will end up like the GameCube, when that's seems quite likely and would actually be a vast improvement at this juncture, and I've seen people still predicting numbers ranging from the N64 level globally, to more ridiculous notions of 50M+.

And I've said before, I think the notion of it being "dead" is hyperbolic, since Nintendo is not Sega and they will not be Dreamcasted. But it has essentially been consigned to irrelevance.

Your well thought out posts are the bane of every console fanboy/warrior in this thread.

I always look forward to your responses; they are hard hitting, jam packed with relevant data, numbers and ammunition to fend off the emotional, irrational fanboy and send 'em packing with their tails between their legs. You are, in many ways, similar to Opiate (the robotic mod) in how you deal with others in this forum lol.

No matter the company.

It is folks like you and Aquamarine (I love your charts ma'am!) that make these threads a joy to peruse evey single week over a cuppa. Each successive takedown that you etch to your belt is a wondrous thing to witness, and their inability to formulate a coherent argument against yours just fills one with absolute bliss.

Thank you, sincerely.

 

[schuelma]

What I think is within the realms of plausibility are a doubling of sales; stretching the realms of plausibility - a tripling. Based on historical precedent not favoring more than such. And it needs to do so just to match the GameCube.

Most people tend to keep their "turnaround" talk rather nebulous. I've asked often what people are actually expecting in terms of actual numbers or percentage changes in such threads. But they make no secret in the manner they post their expectations aren't just for Mario Kart to simply get the system to manage 100K non-holiday NPDs. Talk of how it's "only" been 8 months, isn't optimism about a system going from completely horrid sales to just not particularly good sales.

In terms of numbers, people fight the notion that the system will end up like the GameCube, when that's seems quite likely and would actually be a vast improvement at this juncture, and I've seen people still predicting numbers ranging from the N64 level globally, to more ridiculous notions of 50M+.

And I've said before, I think the notion of it being "dead" is hyperbolic, since Nintendo is not Sega and they will not be Dreamcasted. But it has essentially been consigned to irrelevance.

I'm hesitant to really go into numbers yet without seeing how they do this holiday. I am a bit more comfortable talking about Japan- IMO barring something really unexpected I think 4-7 million is the range I expect.

Nintendo does have some advantages compared to the Game Cube era- For one, they have a lot more price flexibility than GC, which was already down to $150 by now, as well as IMO a stronger first party presence. Now, those factors are still speculative given we haven't seen a price drop and only one true heavy hitter first party wise has launched.

I freely admit Nintendo is in major major trouble, but where the lucky to sell like the GameCube arguments lose some sway with me is when you look at the price difference. If Wii U was $150 this holiday like the GC was I think we can all agree sales would be much better. Get the premium down to $250 and the platform is still bombing? Then yeah, it's dead.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I think when people say dead, they mean "grossly irrelevant" and definitely headed to those consoles consigned to the grim graveyard of failure rather than the halls of Valhalla.

Otherwise the only definition of a dead console would be one thats selling 0 units and is just de facto dead, and even age old bombs like the PSP Go are still trucking.

Perhaps "its terminal" is a better phrasing.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm hesitant to really go into numbers yet without seeing how they do this holiday. I am a bit more comfortable talking about Japan- IMO barring something really unexpected I think 4-7 million is the range I expect.

Nintendo does have some advantages compared to the Game Cube era- For one, they have a lot more price flexibility than GC, which was already down to $150 by now, as well as IMO a stronger first party presence. Now, those factors are still speculative given we haven't seen a price drop and only one true heavy hitter first party wise has launched.

I freely admit Nintendo is in major major trouble, but where the lucky to sell like the GameCube arguments lose some sway with me is when you look at the price difference. If Wii U was $150 this holiday like the GC was I think we can all agree sales would be much better. Get the premium down to $250 and the platform is still bombing? Then yeah, it's dead.

Yes but then you see the huge price cuts doing zip in europe and you wonder if price is a huge factor.I dont know if wiiu has a price advantage because i don know if they'll ever be able to price reduce past 199

 

[Pie and Beans]

Yes but then you see the huge price cuts doing zip in europe and you wonder if price is a huge factor.I dont know if wiiu has a price advantage because i don know if they'll ever be able to price reduce past 199

There are going to be so many issues relating to a price drop as well, that makes this a catch 22 situation. Nintendo seems to be waiting until the next gen boxes arrive to make their move (I'm baffled theyre not trying to give smaller games like Pikmin and W101 a boost), and then the easy association becomes when they shave off the much needed $100 is that its because "its a piece of crap compared to PS4/Xbone! They're desperate!".

Nevermind when a hardcore gamer can see the writing on the wall with "No GTA, No Battlefield, No Dark Souls, No MGS, Not even fucking Fifa!" release lists stretching out. 3D World certainly isn't some astoundingly creative "okay, for that, I'm in!" scenario like Galaxy was.

I'm with shinra in that I'm just not getting where people think the turnaround to the level of beating Gamecube is going to come from. Maybe there will be some out of nowhere new IP that takes the world by storm, but it seems pretty silly to be basing projections on miracles. You can then apply that to every other doomed system like Vita or even the sodding Ouya. Nintendo doesn't have a lock on success stories. Things like Minecraft and Puzzle & Dragons show that pretty clearly.

 

[metalslimer]

There are going to be so many issues relating to a price drop as well, that makes this a catch 22 situation. Nintendo seems to be waiting until the next gen boxes arrive to make their move (I'm baffled theyre not trying to give smaller games like Pikmin and W101 a boost), and then the easy association becomes when they shave off the much needed $100 is that its because "its a piece of crap compared to PS4/Xbone! They're desperate!".

Nevermind when a hardcore gamer can see the writing on the wall with "No GTA, No Battlefield, No Dark Souls, No MGS, Not even fucking Fifa!" release lists stretching out. 3D World certainly isn't some astoundingly creative "okay, for that, I'm in!" scenario like Galaxy was.

I'm with shinra in that I'm just not getting where people think the turnaround to the level of beating Gamecube is going to come from. Maybe there will be some out of nowhere new IP that takes the world by storm, but it seems pretty silly to be basing projections on miracles. You can then apply that to every other doomed system like Vita or even the sodding Ouya. Nintendo doesn't have a lock on success stories. Things like Minecraft and Puzzle & Dragons show that pretty clearly.

Well i think gamecube numbers are in the middle range i expect for wiiu. 15 million being the lowest 25-30 million being best case turnaroud. Although, im starting to think giving 3ds a smash is a bad idea

 

[schuelma]

Well i think gamecube numbers are in the middle range i expect for wiiu. 15 million being the lowest 25-30 million being best case turnaroud. Although, im starting to think giving 3ds a smash is a bad idea

That's tentatively about what I am thinking as well.

 

[Magicpaint]

Well i think gamecube numbers are in the middle range i expect for wiiu. 15 million being the lowest 25-30 million being best case turnaroud. Although, im starting to think giving 3ds a smash is a bad idea

Yeah, I'm not sure why there's a concurrent 3DS Smash game. It's hard to see how it won't take away something from the WiiU version, but I could be wrong.

 

[metalslimer]

Well it just seems like nintendo is doing their best to take everything unique about their consoles away first with paper mario and now with smash. It makes it much easier to say i dont need a wiiu from a consumer pov. I mentioned it in npd, but there are only 2 games nintendo has announced for developed internally that make me think wow i cant get amything like this on 3ds

 

[guek]

Most people tend to keep their "turnaround" talk rather nebulous. I've asked often what people are actually expecting in terms of actual numbers or percentage changes in such threads. But they make no secret in the manner they post their expectations aren't just for Mario Kart to simply get the system to manage 100K non-holiday NPDs. Talk of how it's "only" been 8 months, isn't optimism about a system going from completely horrid sales to just not particularly good sales.

This seems like a leap in logic to me, but granted we are talking about subjective personal experiences with other people. I still see some people retaining optimism but rarely do I see anyone arguing that sales will eventually become great instead of simply better. The turnaround talk is usually pretty nebulous as you said, but that's exactly my point. It contradicts your claim that people are obviously expecting something significant when, like you said, the actual specifics of what kind of turnaround they think is possible are kept vague at best. A lot of people think things will get better but I think most people are unsure of how much better it's really going to get. I don't see anything wrong with that.

It's also odd that you say being dead is hyperbolic but make it clear that you believe the console will continue to remain irrelevant. Clearly those two mean different things to you but I feel like they're one in the same. While things do look horribly grim, I object to the idea that the Wii U's fate is a foregone conclusion. I personally don't have much hope for it becoming much more than a niche product, but niche doesn't necessarily mean abject failure or irrelevance. Saying it's possible the product will be doing substantially better a year from now isn't the same thing as ignoring its bottom of the barrel sales numbers at the moment. We saw people saying something very similar when the PS3 was floundering throughout 2007 but that platform had a tremendous, hard earned revival over the course of half a decade. And don't misunderstand me here, I'm not saying the PS3 was ever completely analogous to the Wii U, but neither is the Vita or the Dreamcast. Vita for instance is suffering a very similar predicament as the Wii U globally but has a different set of advantages and disadvantages unique to the platform. The Dreamcast crashed and burned but and the fact that Wii U is doing worse in various territories merits attention but you also can't compare graphs side by side and assume Wii U will indefinitely follow that same trajectory. Nintendo has various assets at their disposal, and I strongly challenge the notion that their franchises no longer have significant selling power.

However, don't misunderstand my apparent defense of optimists as optimism of my own. I just tend to disagree with most arguments that attempt to state, without question, what will or wont happen. I'm not arguing for one way or the other, I'm arguing that there's still a lot of things that can happen in the next gen and that it's reasonable to be a bit unsure, definitively, how things will actually end up.

For the record, I think 50mil by the end of the Wii U's lifetime would require a goddamn miracle. I'm talkin angels and shit.

 

[SmokyDave]

There are going to be so many issues relating to a price drop as well, that makes this a catch 22 situation. Nintendo seems to be waiting until the next gen boxes arrive to make their move (I'm baffled theyre not trying to give smaller games like Pikmin and W101 a boost), and then the easy association becomes when they shave off the much needed $100 is that its because "its a piece of crap compared to PS4/Xbone! They're desperate!".

Nevermind when a hardcore gamer can see the writing on the wall with "No GTA, No Battlefield, No Dark Souls, No MGS, Not even fucking Fifa!" release lists stretching out. 3D World certainly isn't some astoundingly creative "okay, for that, I'm in!" scenario like Galaxy was.

I'm with shinra in that I'm just not getting where people think the turnaround to the level of beating Gamecube is going to come from. Maybe there will be some out of nowhere new IP that takes the world by storm, but it seems pretty silly to be basing projections on miracles. You can then apply that to every other doomed system like Vita or even the sodding Ouya. Nintendo doesn't have a lock on success stories. Things like Minecraft and Puzzle & Dragons show that pretty clearly.

The Ouya ain't doomed at all, it's just that the '#SummerofOuya' campaign is taking a while to gain steam.

 

[BlackJace]

The potential revenue for Smash 4 is increased with it bring on both devices. Cannibalism is certainly a possibility, but I'd imagine a lot of people would want the full Smash experience. Hell, I think they'll get a lot of double-dippers.

 

[metalslimer]

Nintendo has various assets at their disposal, and I strongly challenge the notion that their franchises no longer have significant selling power.

I think they do, but at the same time i feel like as nintendo handhelds get stronger nintendo's consoles start to seem more unnecessary. I still think 3d world and mk8 will push systems but i do feel like 3d land and mk7 might be enough to satisy that need for many people especially with the price. And next gen when nintendo produces a HD handheld that would honestly be enough for me. This hurts nintendo because they dont want to do a lot AAA productions. I dont want them too though.

 

[DaBoss]

I think they do, but at the same time i feel like as nintendo handhelds get stronger nintendo's consoles start to seem more unnecessary. I still think 3d world and mk8 will push systems but i do feel like 3d land and mk7 might be enough to satisy that need for many people especially with the price

If you're talking about Japan, I do think you're right. They seem to substitute handhelds and consoles like you can choose one over the other. In the west, it isn't like that. Handhelds aren't substitutes for consoles and vice versa. Of course not everyone in the west or Japan thinks like that, but the majority do.

 

[Pie and Beans]

The Ouya ain't doomed at all, it's just that the '#SummerofOuya' campaign is taking a while to gain steam.

Nah I think we can call Ouya dead now by the same "console failure" metric since both Mario Kart and Smash are available on the system and they're doing nothing at all!

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

The potential revenue for Smash 4 is increased with it bring on both devices. Cannibalism is certainly a possibility, but I'd imagine a lot of people would want the full Smash experience. Hell, I think they'll get a lot of double-dippers.

What Nintendo did there is just hurt one of the WiiU's biggest system sellers. Many people don't even need a WiiU to play smash now and can just get a 3DS instead.

 

[metalslimer]

If you're talking about Japan, I do think you're right. They seem to substitute handhelds and consoles like you can choose one over the other. In the west, it isn't like that. Handhelds aren't substitutes for consoles and vice versa. Of course not everyone in the west or Japan thinks like that, but the majority do.

I was mainly talking about japan and the west a little. I dont think wiiu will have a particularly good holiday in japan

As for smash, the fact that people love local mutli is why i think its not too big of a deal, but i think they need to have unique reasons to buy their consoles. They dont make a real pokemon for consoles. Why take 2 of the only console franchises you have and put them on 3ds

 

[BlackJace]

What Nintendo did there is just hurt one of the WiiU's biggest system sellers. Many people don't even need a WiiU to play smash now and can just get a 3DS instead.

It's a very real possibility, I'm not arguing with you. I bet they're banking on double dippers, as aforementioned.

 

[guek]

I think they do, but at the same time i feel like as nintendo handhelds get stronger nintendo's consoles start to seem more unnecessary. I still think 3d world and mk8 will push systems but i do feel like 3d land and mk7 might be enough to satisy that need for many people especially with the price. And next gen when nintendo produces a HD handheld that would honestly be enough for me. This hurts nintendo because they dont want to do a lot AAA productions. I dont want them too though.

Oh I totally agree that that's a pressing issue. Lots of people are in favor of a handheld/console hybrid from them in the future, and while that might actually sell gangbusters, all I can really think about is the fact that they'd cut their revenue streams in half by selling a single product instead of two.

The obvious counter argument to your original concern is that we saw NSMB and MKDS co-exist happily with NSMBWii and MKWii but you're right, the overlap becomes a bigger problem as their handhelds become more powerful. They're going to have to make MK8 and 3DW stand out experiences in order to compensate. What they really need are just more franchises in general. More studios, more talent, more games. They need to spend some goddamn money.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

first day sellthrough

[3DS] Mario & Luigi RPG 4 <20%
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience W <20%
[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 - 30-40%
[WIU] Sniper Elite V2 - the expected

That's quite low

I don't see the point in releasing Sniper Elite V2 on Wii U. A genre which isn't popular in Japan and a console which isn't getting enough sales is a bomba combo

 

[vctor182]

What's the shipment estimates for M&L4? 20% is kinda low

 

[Hero of Legend]

That's quite low

I don't see the point in releasing Sniper Elite V2 on Wii U. A genre which isn't popular in Japan and a console which isn't getting enough sales is a bomba combo

This may surprise you, but the original when ported to Wii a few years back, did over 200k in Europe. Reef Entertainment commissioned the port which Raylight did, it even had an exclusive level I think?

So a port of V2 was inevitable, surprised 505 published it and not Reef.

And the original was published in NA on Wii by Maximum Family Games! Wat.

Well now they're known as Maximum Games, but that seriously was their name at the time.