Doesn't mention foreign though. PR clearly was aiming for international crowds.
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Doesn't mention foreign though. PR clearly was aiming for international crowds.
What are you talking about? The action scenes with the Kaiju and Yaegers were fine.
Yup just go in and have a good time. It's a blast of a movie!
To 3D or not to 3D?
To IMAX 3D or not to IMAX 3D?
What's the consensus for this flick? Thanks.
I've seen in twice and both times in IMAX 3D. See it that way, or you'll regret it when the movie is gone from theaters.
Its not doing good foreign numbers outside of Asia. Not a hit worldwide by any means.
Wonderful post.
They were fine. In fact, they were more than fine - they were brilliant. Hence why it's frustrating that there was so little of it and the film was instead focused on Raleigh and Mako's complete lack of chemistry. Ironic, really.
GoddyofAus
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I got to watch it a few days ago. It's alright. I enjoyed it. A little overhyped to be honest. The human moments dragged a lot and the Battle of Hong Kong seemed to be the only real action scene worth watching.
Also,
Also,
Striker Eureka was crucial to saving humanity. You're welcome, world.
No kidding. Anyone who saw the trading card type images of all the characters and still thought GDT was trying for depth are out to lunch. Look at the names for cripesakes.
TacticalFox88
Banned
The movie was excessively corny in places it didn't need to be.
Deified Data
Banned
Pacific Rim had the most subtle and restrained romantic angle I've seen in a movie in years. Nothing forced about it. Raleigh and Mako are about as close as you'd expect two people who've shared the same brain to be.
i dont understand the cornyness adds to the actual film, the color palette for example compliments its cheesiness. not one scene felt like it was out of place, it all meshed well. the overall themes of the characters are wholesome and good willing.
Deified Data
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GreyMatter
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To 3D or not to 3D?
To IMAX 3D or not to IMAX 3D?
What's the consensus for this flick? Thanks.
IMAX 3D.
To. Definitely To.
Seriously, I have never experienced such weight in a film. The 3D during Kaiju sequences is pretty damn jaw-dropping. I've actually been wrestling with myself over whether or not it's my favorite use of 3D to date. It's between this and Coraline. Sorry, Jim D:
Also, I want to be lame (read: AWESOME) and go see it in DBox in Rosemont. I missed doing so with Avengers.
yes i agree the 3d was fucking fantastic. i have never been to the dbox but i think this is the movie for that lol.
Getting ready for my fourth time watching in three days. Still pumped. I do get the criticsm people might have, but a summer blockbuster where the main character controlling a giant mech shouts 'elbow rocket' and you actually feel the impact of the blow can't be beat for me. I feel like a little kid again watching it, it's everything I wanted from a summer blockbuster. Yes, that includes the over the top characters and corny lines. 13 minutes to go and I can't wait.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Mako's flashback. Jesus Christ, was it awfully handled. I felt more annoyed at what I was watching rather than feeling any sympathy for her.
Pentecost's speech that tried to envoke the Fuck yeah from ID4 which ends up falling flat.
Two idiot scientists who were completely embarrassing to watch.
Trying to copy anime-tropes and put them on screen. This is a prime example of why that shit doesn't work. Calling your attacks? Check. Excessive noise exceeding what's needed as you take damage? Check. Awfully delivered Pre-Mortem One Liners? Check. Awful transitions of tone mid sentence? Check. A universe that makes no goddamn sense even in the context/rules of the film? Fucking check.
I'm not going to give it a pass because it's a Mecha movie, when it fails at doing what it sets out to do. While the stuff in and of itself is bad, yes, if it were delivered excellently, than I most definitely could've seen myself overlooking them, but the delivery is so bad that I can't excuse it.
I'm just casually listening to the OST. It's so fucking good. Love that main theme.
Deified Data
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Eh, thought Mako's flashback was one of those most effective scenes of the whole movie. Kid nailed it, and Onibaba was terrifying.
Pentecost's speech could have been longer and better-worded, but I thought it did its job.
Loved the cheesy anime tropes. Elbow rocket left me with a big, stupid grin.
What rules of the universe do you think the movie broke?
I find it hilarious reading through this thread. Some of the same people who blasted people who saw Bayformers fans who liked it for "what it was" are now the same people defending Pacific Rim for the EXACT same reason. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Hypocrisy and double standards at its finest.
Hypocrisy and double standards at its finest.
Raphael
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This might be the wrong thread for this...
TacticalFox88
Banned
Well, to be honest, the more I think about it I'm more upset at the delivery as pointed out above.
As for the rules I think it broke,
1) The World Leaders who somehow thinks a
a wall will somehow stop the Kaiju threat instead of pouring more money into building better Jaegers
2)
"Kaiju Blue" is incredibly toxic and dangerous. How is Hannibal able to carve his way out of Otachi Jr., seemingly without ill-effects?
3) Who thought it was a good idea to have
Mako and Mr. Beckett's first drift take place in an actual Jaeger with live weapons?
4) Did they really think originally that the reason they couldn't
fit a bomb through the rift was that it wasn't wide enough? Despite the fact that massive kaiju were getting through?
Nope. The TF films are awful, period. They have a certain charm that the mainstream apparently likes, but they're still awful.
No double standard there.
Deified Data
Banned
Here's my Pacific Rim 8tracks playlist.
It's still a work in progress. Still waiting for the Blake Perlman/RZA song in the credits to be released.
It's still a work in progress. Still waiting for the Blake Perlman/RZA song in the credits to be released.
i kinda enjoy the bayformers for "what it is" which in my home is only for the sound and ILM sizzle reel but i can see why people would defend this movie that has the same movie tropes-this movie just does it better, it all makes sense in this film to have a light cheery attitude, you are not getting girls bending down on a motorcycle but the film is meant for family fun. you arent getting the sexual innuendos at every corner, or robot balls here. the difference is that even though the characters kinda have similarities there used in completely different context how can you not see that?
It didn't have anything to do with
width, it had to do with the fact that the kaiju attacks were unpredictable, and they believed the rift only opened long enough when they appeared for them to be able to throw the nuke in there. They've tried attacking it before, but they thought it worked like a door, and of course you can't get shit through a door when it is closed.
And your complaint about a small post-credits scene breaking the rules of the universe goes really beyond nitpicking. I could understand complaints about the acting, or the script or whatever, but an
inconsequential scene done to comedic effects
Who are these people? I want names please and links to the similar arguments used for both movies if you would be so kind.
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Also, I find the comments about a little girl who just lost her family to a fucking giant monster, which just happened to destroy a city, be too loud or noisy while crying pretty puzzling. She is all alone in an unfamiliar environment/dangerous situation without anyone to help her. It's like you people have never been around children before. Heck, my 5yo niece cried rivers the first time she went to school and was away from her mother for about 20 minutes. She cried like the world was ending when my dog barked at her from the window and startled her.
To me that scene was pretty fantastic, and the actress was great.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Or was it half full??
1)
the world leaders are desperate, society is in constant riot and everyone is desperate. also the world leaders suggested that this is only an option, a sorta test phase to see how it works. they imply that there are other options to combat the kaiju but dont think jaegers are worth it anymore
2)
how are we going to know with only a second of footage, for all we know he could have died a week later-only a sequel will show us. i think though while it is toxic they never mention if its curable.
3)
they had to do it there and now, again there in desperate mode and like most military shit they are working with what they have
4)that is not what they said
Chezzymann
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Got myself a Gypsy Danger action figure.
Deified Data
Banned
1. I would chalk this one up to sheer bureaucratic stupidity on the government's part. Requires a certain suspension of disbelief, but doesn't break any particular rules.
2. This is a good question.
In the prequel comic it's shown that exposure to "Kaiju Blue" doesn't always result in instantaneous death, but can lead to death over a span of days or hours. Judging by the night sky in the post-credits scene we can deduce that the events are happening hours before the movie's finale (it's daylight when the pods emerge from the ocean), so Chou could have only been stuck there for a few minutes - indeed, he couldn't have possibly been in there longer than it would take him to run out of breath and suffocate. The post-credits scene doesn't last long enough for us to judge whether or not he suffers any adverse effects from the exposure. Who knows. Perhaps Chou's regular exposure to Kaiju blood given his line of work gives him a certain degree of immunity? All conjecture on my part.
3.
Pentecost's idea, apparently. Perhaps he overestimated both pilots' ability to remain calm under pressure - given his closeness to Mako this strikes me as a distinct possibility. As for the live weapons, this is another one I'm chalking up to suspension of disbelief. It seems silly in retrospect, but the scene served to drive home the point that Raleigh and Mako's recklessness could potentially harm the team.
4. The rift widens to accommodate emerging Kaiju. In any case, even if they were to attempt to bomb it
the rift won't accept a bomb without a Kaiju DNA structure.
Who the fuck is calling it a live-action Evangelion? They're so tonally different, they might as well be in different galaxies. If anything, Pacific Rim resembles Independence Day more (Both in plot and tone). It's not trying to be anything like Evangelion.
Hideaki Anno would hate this movie, and it has nothing to do with the quality of the movie and everything to do with what type of movie it is and what sort of fans he believes the mecha genre draws. Then again, Anno hates everything these days.
It's hilarious how we're so conditioned to reserved movie crying that we forget that real children don't do that. We think they just stare solemnly and shed a single tear.
Bayformers was all tits, American flags and asses. Plus all the robots looked confusing and jumbled together, like one big mess of metal, when they fought. I fail to see the similarity to Pacific Rim.
Agreed 100%. Mana Ashida was absolutely flawless in that scene.
If people have issues/problems with it, then they must not know how little children act when they're terrified.
The supposed similarity is that people who don't accept the Bayformers movies for what they are accept Pacific Rim for what it is.
The Bayformers movies are supposed to be action-comedies, with lots of both action and comedy. That's all well and good unless we think the action and the comedy suck. It's not that we're criticizing how the Bayformers movies eschew developed scripts or heavier themes; we don't like them because the focus of the movies, the comedy and action, just aren't very fun. It's fine to like Bayformers, but using the "You have to appreciate the movies for what they are" excuse only works if the critics are focusing on what the movie isn't trying to be.
What Pacific Rim is trying to be is a cornball action movie, ala Independence Day. I'm all for criticizing things like "there wasn't enough action," or "it wasn't self-aware enough to be corny," or "Crimson Typhoon got taken out like a jobber and I wish we saw more of him," because those actually are relevant to what Pacific Rim is. However, comparing it negatively to Evangelion or saying "it wasn't deep" is like criticizing Goodfellahs because the action scenes aren't great.
I'm not sure they sound stereotypically Australian enough.
"We mayde eet reeeeel mad!"
Deified Data
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Chezzymann
Member
If you are okay with movies being "what they are" then you are okay with any movie ever. All movies are as good as Citizen Kane. Twilight is as good as citizen kane because it perfectly embodied "what it was". I think you're mixing up these people's logic.
What they are saying is that Pacific Rim did a good job achieving what it set out to be: Being a huge tribute to the Kaiju genre. The action was clean and slick, and there were plenty of references. The monsters were even called Kaijus. The cheesy dialogue was even there too. Twilight set out to be an accurate representation of the books on film, but it didn't achieve that very well due to some stale acting and bad directing. Transformers set out to be a real life action-comedy cinematic interpretation of the toy line, but the action was low quality and the comedy was wooden.
There's a difference between appreciating a movie for what it is and how well it achieved what it set out to be.
ScraftyDevil
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UnluckyKate
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David H Wong
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Doing equally bad:
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=pacificrim.htm
Looks like it might be on its way to 250 million worldwide, studio would need twice that to break even (budget rumored to be as high as 220 million, 80 million for marketing, theaters keep half the ticket price).
Gary Whitta
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Damn, I'm really bummed to see PR not doing better. I had my issues with it here and there but overall enjoyed it a lot and really admired what it set out to do. I can kinda see why it's struggling, but it just means it's going to be even more difficult to get big, original sci-fi projects through the system 
djplaeskool
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Disappointing results.
Just saw it yesterday, and it was a big, dumb, pile of awesome.
Predictable, cliched, and absolutely a ton of fun to watch.
I mean, it even had a rival character who intentionally pronounced the protagonist's name wrong. The best and worst of 80s and 90s action cinema, and all the hallmarks of kaiju film rolled into a well done homage.
Maybe it was doomed to not do well from its inception...
Immediately afterwards, I wanted to watch Robot Jox again. Damn that needs a reboot.
Just saw it yesterday, and it was a big, dumb, pile of awesome.
Predictable, cliched, and absolutely a ton of fun to watch.
I mean, it even had a rival character who intentionally pronounced the protagonist's name wrong. The best and worst of 80s and 90s action cinema, and all the hallmarks of kaiju film rolled into a well done homage.
Maybe it was doomed to not do well from its inception...
Immediately afterwards, I wanted to watch Robot Jox again. Damn that needs a reboot.
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