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YESSSS!!! God yes.
 
Just got back from seeing it and I gotta say it was fantastic. An absolute blast to watch. It only took the fight at the start to show me that this movie was going to be fun to watch. My only issues with it were that it felt like the story moved a little too fast and that the whole plot between Raleigh and Mako was really predictable. Other than that I feel the hype behind this thing was entirely justified. I actually might go see it again at some point.
 
Doing equally bad:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=pacificrim.htm

Looks like it might be on its way to 250 million worldwide, studio would need twice that to break even (budget rumored to be as high as 220 million, 80 million for marketing, theaters keep half the ticket price).

Pretty sure that foreign gross hasn't been updated since last weekend.

''Coinciding with its domestic debut, Pacific Rim opened in 38 foreign markets and took in an estimated $53 million. According to Warner Bros., those territories represent approximately 50 percent of the international marketplace.

The movie got off to very strong starts in South Korea ($9.6 million), Russia ($9.3 million) and Mexico ($5.3 million). It was much less impressive in the U.K. ($3.2 million) and Australia ($2.6 million). It still has openings in China, Japan, France, Germany, Spain and Brazil on the way; it should do particularly well in China and Japan, and $300 million overseas looks like it could be reachable.''
 
Just got back from it and I really had a good time. Amazing visuals and action scenes.

Dumb as shit movie, with some frustrating moments, but overall a very fun ride.
 
Pretty sure that foreign gross hasn't been updated since last weekend.

Plus it hasn't opened in about 50% of the international markets, including some potentially big ones like China and Japan so it can still pick up a bit. We'll see. I have hopes and I think GDT deserves success, although I completely understand why he is not a director with mainstream appeal, and will probably never be.
 
One thing that really bothered me... why do they even punch with the robots?
 
What they are saying is that Pacific Rim did a good job achieving what it set out to be: Being a huge tribute to the Kaiju genre. The action was clean and slick, and there were plenty of references. The monsters were even called Kaijus. The cheesy dialogue was even there too. Twilight set out to be an accurate representation of the books on film, but it didn't achieve that very well due to some stale acting and bad directing. Transformers set out to be a real life action-comedy cinematic interpretation of the toy line, but the action was low quality and the comedy was wooden.

There's a difference between appreciating a movie for what it is and how well it achieved what it set out to be.

I find it kind of hard to accept this when Pacific Rim also has the same shortcomings in spades. The lead actor was Kristen Stewart awful and everyone else wasn't far off. Then again, I wasn't expecting Power Rangers for a slightly older demographic, so there's that, too.
 
Super-effective sword is way, way more awesome. And effective. It actually does damage.

Ugh. That stupid sword.

"WAIT! WE HAVE ONE LAST OPTION THAT I'VE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN TO CONSIDER UP UNTIL NOW".

"WHAT?"

"A REALLY EFFECTIVE SWORD THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE PRECEDING FIGHTS A WHOLE LOT EASIER . LET ME HIT THE BIG SWORD BUTTON".

See, this is the stuff I hated about the movie, yet I totally understand people loving it. Not my thang, I guess.
 
Jaeger vs. Kaiju Rule #1 - The more powerful the weapon, the less it is used.

If they didn't, the battles would be over in an instant and wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. I can see why some people might be frustrated by this, however I enjoy the movie more because of it.

Start the battle, get a few punches in, begin losing, pull out "secret weapon" and win. I wouldn't have it any other way!
 
So realistically, what are the chances of us getting a of follow-up to this film, be it another film or an animated series or a comic or whatever?

The thought of this franchise dying after one single film is depressing as hell.
 
Ugh. That stupid sword.

"WAIT! WE HAVE ONE LAST OPTION THAT I'VE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN TO CONSIDER UP UNTIL NOW".

"WHAT?"

"A REALLY EFFECTIVE SWORD THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE PRECEDING FIGHTS A WHOLE LOT EASIER . LET ME HIT THE BIG SWORD BUTTON".

See, this is the stuff I hated about the movie, yet I totally understand people loving it. Not my thang, I guess.

It's really not your thing. That's anime/mecha/giant robot fighting 101. Using the sword earlier in the movie would only lead to a bigger surprise "power up" weapon later on. The last minute "power up" is just a part of the style Pacific Rim places itself into.
 
So realistically, what are the chances of us getting a of follow-up to this film, be it another film or an animated series or a comic or whatever?

The thought of this franchise dying after one single film is depressing as hell.

Well it could still do very well overseas even though it bombed pretty badly in US. I also see that the franchise has a lot of merchandise potential. Is there any merchandise yet? Also of course you have to factor DVD/Blu-ray sales too. We can at least hope for sequel!
 
So realistically, what are the chances of us getting a of follow-up to this film, be it another film or an animated series or a comic or whatever?

The thought of this franchise dying after one single film is depressing as hell.
Soon? Unlikely.

Years later, after it becomes a "cult classic"? I could see at least some comic book series or animated movies being made for nerds. Maybe even another movie, Tron Legacy style.
 
So realistically, what are the chances of us getting a of follow-up to this film, be it another film or an animated series or a comic or whatever?

The thought of this franchise dying after one single film is depressing as hell.

The Hellboy movies didn't exactly light up the charts at the box office (made some money though) but it did get two animated movies. If did do go the animation route, hope they get a good anime studio to animate it.
 
Saw it with my girl last week and we loved it. Great visuals and just a fun flick, man. I can honestly say I've never seen a better big-monster movie.. the mech robots were icing on the cake.

Everything was perfect to me.
 
One thing that really bothered me... why do they even punch with the robots?
Ugh. That stupid sword.

"WAIT! WE HAVE ONE LAST OPTION THAT I'VE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN TO CONSIDER UP UNTIL NOW".

"WHAT?"

"A REALLY EFFECTIVE SWORD THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE PRECEDING FIGHTS A WHOLE LOT EASIER . LET ME HIT THE BIG SWORD BUTTON".

See, this is the stuff I hated about the movie, yet I totally understand people loving it. Not my thang, I guess.
Also if Striker's missiles are so effective why not just put lots of batteries along the top of the Wall?

If you start asking these questions you have to start asking "why giant robots?"...obviously Kaiju would be better fought from the air with advanced armor-piercing missiles and whatnot. The movie exists to serve the Rule of Cool. Sure, you can pick and choose what you suspend your disbelief over, but it rarely leads anywhere good.
 
If you start asking these questions you have to start asking "why giant robots?"...obviously Kaiju would be better fought from the air with advanced armor-piercing missiles and whatnot. The movie exists to serve the Rule of Cool. Sure, you can pick and choose what you suspend your disbelief over, but it rarely leads anywhere good.

Agreed. It's a homage to mecha anime, Power Rangers and all that cool and campy stuff we grew up with. Evangelion, Gundam, Gunbuster etc. Hell even the GlaDOS voice rocked! It's absolutely perfect. I've never wanted a Blu-ray to release so bad!

Also awesome avatar! :0
 
It's really not your thing. That's anime/mecha/giant robot fighting 101. Using the sword earlier in the movie would only lead to a bigger surprise "power up" weapon later on. The last minute "power up" is just a part of the style Pacific Rim places itself into.

Yep. I completely understand that, but for me, it only lent to an overwhelming cheesiness that was already unbearable with the dialogue and the acting being as they were. Were the action sequences "special", I probably wouldn't be so down on it, but I honestly found them to be a bit uninspired, choreographically speaking.

That being said, I will admit that the shot with the sword and cut-in-half kaiju in orbit was very cool.
 
Look...I am very ignorant of what this movie was supposed to be based on, or what its about, or all the Japanese meanings behind it or any of that stuff.

I just got back from seeing it and I really had no expectations going in. Holy Shit this movie was really good. The plot and characters were serviceable, nothing standout from that. But goddamn, if you don't think watching giant fucking robots fight big fucking undersea creatures, with modern day special effects, is like the coolest shit ever...I don't know what to say other than get off my planet, you don't know what fun is. This movie was very entertaining. Damn shame its a domestic bomba. Its my big budget action movie of the summer so far. Better than MoS and IM3, and probably even Star Trek ID and I enjoyed those movies to varying degrees as well.
 
If you start asking these questions you have to start asking "why giant robots?"...obviously Kaiju would be better fought from the air with advanced armor-piercing missiles and whatnot. The movie exists to serve the Rule of Cool. Sure, you can pick and choose what you suspend your disbelief over, but it rarely leads anywhere good.

I don't think that's necessarily true. They could have explained "why giant robots" and have it be believable in their universe. It's when they don't use their most effective arsenal, seemingly without any reason, that I groan in disappointment. I don't mind the rule of cool, but make it believable within the fiction.
 
Changes I would make;

- Make Mako the lead character, cast her with someone who can act.
- Start the film with her childhood experience.
- Make the Jaeger a sort of captured mecha-Kaiju that requires one pilot.
- Remove the racial stereotypes & cast real international actors.
- Do something interesting with the first wasted hour.... not quite sure what.
- Remove 'comedy' - the only funny thing was that it wasn't funny.
- Remove 'female needs protection' shit.
- Remove shitty actors, write scientists that aren't comic relief.
- Parts of the world need to have REALLY gone to shit.
- All characters should need to be monotone/expressionless/loldeep, because the reality is depressing.
- Rated R or something.
- End with like sacrificial Mako, when they find where it is the Kaiju come from, and there's no going back. Film cuts where she's a total badass gonna squish dem scared tiny aliens. I'm REALLY joking here because I was surprised the film diidn't end that way.

5 minutes of fun! I was trying to work within the confines of what was already there.

About the disbelief thing; my friend who also thought the film was a bit shit was mostly raving about how ridiculous some things were while I thought nothing of the sort. Funny how that stuff works.
 
Changes I would make;

- Make Mako the lead character, cast her with someone who can act.
- Start the film with her childhood experience.
- Make the Jaeger a sort of captured mecha-Kaiju that requires one pilot.
- Remove the racial stereotypes & cast real international actors.
- Do something interesting with the first wasted hour.... not quite sure what.
- Remove 'comedy' - the only funny thing was that it wasn't funny.
- Remove 'female needs protection' shit.
- Remove shitty actors, write scientists that aren't comic relief.
- Parts of the world need to have REALLY gone to shit.
- All characters should need to be monotone/expressionless/loldeep, because the reality is depressing.
- Rated R or something.
- End with like sacrificial Mako, when they find where it is the Kaiju come from, and there's no going back. Film cuts where she's a total badass gonna squish dem scared tiny aliens. I'm REALLY joking here because I was surprised the film diidn't end that way.

5 minutes of fun! I was trying to work within the confines of what was already there.

About the disbelief thing; my friend who also thought the film was a bit shit was mostly raving about how ridiculous some things were while I thought nothing of the sort. Funny how that stuff works.
directed by Nolan.
 
Changes I would make;

- Make Mako the lead character, cast her with someone who can act.
- Start the film with her childhood experience.
- Make the Jaeger a sort of captured mecha-Kaiju that requires one pilot.
- Remove the racial stereotypes & cast real international actors.
- Do something interesting with the first wasted hour.... not quite sure what.
- Remove 'comedy' - the only funny thing was that it wasn't funny.
- Remove 'female needs protection' shit.
- Remove shitty actors, write scientists that aren't comic relief.
- Parts of the world need to have REALLY gone to shit.
- All characters should need to be monotone/expressionless/loldeep, because the reality is depressing.
- Rated R or something.
- End with like sacrificial Mako, when they find where it is the Kaiju come from, and there's no going back. Film cuts where she's a total badass gonna squish dem scared tiny aliens. I'm REALLY joking here because I was surprised the film diidn't end that way.

5 minutes of fun! I was trying to work within the confines of what was already there.

About the disbelief thing; my friend who also thought the film was a bit shit was mostly raving about how ridiculous some things were while I thought nothing of the sort. Funny how that stuff works.

thank god you didn't direct the movie.

also I don't get the complaints about the first hour. I actually thought it felt almost rushed, but even then, I thought the movie was excellently paced.
 
Guillermo Del Toro has made giant robots fighting giant monsters somehow not-awesome.

I was expecting to come out of the theater thinking "holy shit, that was so fucking badass," but I just felt underwhelmed at the end.
 
Wow. Saw it again today, it's even better the second time around.

Going to go a third time, never made it to D-Box like I wanted, will have to do that for the third viewing.

So good. Felt the hamminess and cheesy storylines were more grounded in second viewing as well, not sure how but many things came across as more genuine.
 
Ugh. That stupid
sword.

"WAIT! WE HAVE ONE LAST OPTION THAT I'VE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN TO CONSIDER UP UNTIL NOW".

"WHAT?"

"A REALLY EFFECTIVE SWORD THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE PRECEDING FIGHTS A WHOLE LOT EASIER . LET ME HIT THE BIG SWORD BUTTON".

See, this is the stuff I hated about the movie, yet I totally understand people loving it. Not my thang, I guess.

Um, maybe everyone's seen the movie by now... but that's a pretty big spoiler.
 
There are so many questions in this thread and the last thread about they didn't do this and didn't do that. A bit of logical thinking gives you a lot of answers.

One of my favourite questions is why they don't just build defenses around the portal.
I mean first of all do people forget how deep the ocean is? Do people really think humanity could build walls tall enough and stable enough to go from the ocean floor up to 300ft above sea level???
People would basically have to live underwater to be able to build these massive walls. Could people survive 14,000ft underwater?
As for stationing Jaegers, military ships and submarines around the portal. There is no way of knowing when the Kaiju would be coming through the portal. Sending Jaegers down into the depths every time wouldn't be very useful.
Anyone that has watched the film has seen how the Kaiju demolished the Jaegers in the final battle. They succeeded due to the nuke blast. Plus if they kept stopping them at the portal the Kaiju would just evolve over time and start demolishing the Jagers even if it was 4 against 1. Kaiju's have a lot of maneuverability underwater, the Jaegers do not.
Submarines and military ships? They are slow compared to the Kaiju.

Why not nuke them? Dropping a nuke each and every time a Kaiju appears doesn't sound very smart. You'd cause damage no matter where you drop a nuke. In the ocean it'd be environmental damage, once a Kaiju rises out of the water it will be too close to a city.

Why not always use sword? The Kaiju's blood is toxic and swords will cause too much spillage. This is why blunt force trauma is preferred. Even along the coast there would be to much toxic spillage if blades are used.
 
Why not nuke them? Dropping a nuke each and every time a Kaiju appears doesn't sound very smart. You'd cause damage no matter where you drop a nuke. In the ocean it'd be environmental damage, once a Kaiju rises out of the water it will be too close to a city.

Exploding nukes next to the portal would cause less environmental damage than the obliteration of cities which coat the atmosphere in ash. Compared to the alternatives it'd be a drop in the ocean.
 
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