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[MJLord]

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From BBC - Online Pornography To Be Blocked By Defeault



It's pretty much the first sentence. It needs to be part of the conversation. It's tightening our countries already pretty shocking laws about sex. Now whether they are enforced is another matter (the BDSM laws in general are not) but if this is a shift the country takes it's a cause for concern in my opinion. It's a minefield for sure but one we need to navigate.

It's a really tricky one. It's fantasy in some cases. No more so than any other form of media. But grouping proper established porn franchises with some nobody with a camera muddy s the water a bit.

 

[patapuf]

What "job" is that exactly? Newsflash: installing internet filter software is not a parent's "job".

My kids are savvy to the dangers of the internet. They also understand what pornography is. However, I have two daughters who due to the apparent pressures of growing up today, are already ridiculously self-concious of their body image. I do not want them possibly exposed to something that could either exasperate this or teach them that the role of a woman is just to satisfy a man. I don't believe they would seek this kind of material out, but if there's an ISP level filter that can prevent them from inadvertently accessing this material, then I don't see how I could possibly not be in favour of it.

If somebody wants to watch porn that badly, then what's the problem with calling up to make a phonecall? Are you really so selfish to not understand that the potential good this filter could do outweighs the inconvenience of you having to perform one 30 second action to ensure continued access to adult entertainment?

Or it could be an opt in clause where parents call the ISP to block the content. That way only those that desire it have the filter.

It's cheaper too as fewer people will call the ISP.

 

[Photolysis]

No porn filter is 100 % effective and how would it distinguish between real porn and anatomical diagrams, for example.

Hah, I still remember when the Internet Watch Foundation decided in its infinite wisdom to blog an image hosted on Wikipedia, resulting in problems because it was incompetently done.

And yes, I'd like to know how this would work as well. Wikipedia has plenty of explicit images that are presented in an educational, medical, or artistic context which could conceivably be used for gratification by anyone unable to access material more suited for that purpose.

New laws so videos streamed online in the UK will be subject to the same restrictions as those sold in shops

What? Ahahahahaha.

These people really have no idea how the technology works. Are the UK government planning to block every video on the internet? Every video sharing site? Every flash ad?

You can't vet all the content of Youtube for instance, because it's created too quickly. And people are going to be pissed when you hamfistedly try to block one of the most popular sites out there.

 

[kurtrussell]

Whats this one all about?

How would this affect sites like youporn and their ilk?

I interpreted it to mean that any video streamed into this country will need to have gone before the BBFC for classification.

This means that unless youporn obtain the R18 rating, the video will be not be legally viewable over here. I'd imagine that it's a question of economics, and if it makes monetary sense to do so, at least one of the free porn sites will submit their content to the BBFC to enable continued streaming.

 

[patapuf]

However, this still does not address the issue of parents that literally do not give a shit which introduces a vector for questionable material to be introduced via their peers.

that one is inevitable. Porn is not going away just because it's behind a filter. Teens always find a way. Always.

 

[Dabanton]

I interpreted it to mean that any video streamed into this country will need to have gone before the BBFC for classification.

This means that unless youporn obtain the R18 rating, the video will be not be legally viewable over here. I'd imagine that it's a question of economics, and if it makes monetary sense to do so, at least one of the free porn sites will submit their content to the BBFC to enable continued streaming.

That's would be almost unpractical surely.

Would that also mean that even short clips would be subject to the same rules?

 

[Portugeezer]

Of course parents should install their own filters.

Undoubtedly some parents will opt in to the porn thing, so they will have to install a filter like a normal parent should have in the first place.

 

[SmokyDave]

I wish that hardcore pornography wasn't as widespread and easily accessible to kids, but it is. The genie is out of the bottle now and no amount of filtering is going to put it back in. I guess we need to start sex ed younger and start tackling some of the more taboo subjects. No point dilly-dallying around condom use when little Timmy just watched some chick taking two fists in her arsehole.

It's no real biggie to me, I'll just call up and opt-out immediately.

 

[Dabanton]

I feel sorry for the dads who'll have to opt in.

Looks like porn mags could be seeing a resurgence if this actually happens

 

[Portugeezer]

How would it affect torrents? Essentially the blocked site pirate bay can still be accessed and they have porn, how would the Govt block that?

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I feel sorry for the dads who'll have to opt in.

Looks like porn mags could be seeing a resurgence if this actually happens

Adult DVD sections, coming to a HMV near you!

How would it affect torrents? Essentially the blocked site pirate bay can still be accessed and they have porn, how would the Govt block that?

It probably wouldn't.

 

[nOoblet16]

I wish that hardcore pornography wasn't as widespread and easily accessible to kids, but it is. The genie is out of the bottle now and no amount of filtering is going to put it back in. I guess we need to start sex ed younger and start tackling some of the more taboo subjects. No point dilly-dallying around condom use when little Timmy just watched some chick taking two fists in her arsehole.

It's no real biggie to me, I'll just call up and opt-out immediately.

Totally this, ignoring the issue won't make it go away. There needs to be a better sex education system teaching teenagers/kids about consent and the depiction of females in hardcore pornography vs real life.

 

[kurtrussell]

I'm also very dubious about this being repealed by another party if this does actually become law.

For example, Labour have already stated that it would be impossible for them to reverse the benefit cuts and due to the inherent lack of confidence in Milliband as a result of his general incompetence as an opposition leader, I think they are desperate enough for votes to not face the potential backlash by offering to repeal the internet filters in their next manifesto.

 

[Psychotext]

I wonder how long it'll be before sites the government don't want us seeing "accidentally" end up classified as pornographic and therefore blocked.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Totally this, ignoring the issue won't make it go away. There needs to be a better sex education system teaching teenagers/kids about consent and the depiction of females in hardcore pornography vs real life.

But then the whole of Mumsnet and the Daily Mail will go into "oh won't someone think of the children" mode.

I fucking hate Mumsnet, if I could pick a single website to force into bankruptcy through some arcane law, it would be that one.

 

[SomethingInTheSea]

...and like that, GAF are experts in parenting. First of all, fuck you guys for trying to tell me how to raise my own kids. You have no clue what I do and don't do, and GAF judging me on my parenting skills is a bit like me trying to tell a pilot how to fly a plane.

I'm guessing you don't have children of your own. When you do, you'll realise that life is not as simple as "take some responsibility and educate your children". It's a fucking minefield out there, and no parent stands behind their children watching their internet usage all the time. For one, it's just not feasible, and also, I like to have some kind of trust in my children and not have to constantly monitor what they do online.

I'm not sure how much you know about local web blocking software, but it can degrade performance and the fact that it embeds itself so deeply into the operating system is a huge issue - apart from the incompatibilities that the software can introduce, there are potentially many little vulnerabilities being introduced that any nasty piece of malware may be able to hook into.. Besides, I am not even sure if there *is* any appropriate blocking software for Fedora.

Nothing is being forced on anyone. There is a filter that can be taken off with a one minute phonecall. It's NOT A BLOCK. One phonecall, and you opt-out and everything is as it was before.

Ultimately, pornography is harmful for children in that it gives girls an unrealistic body image ideal and teaches boys that women are by and large semen-recepticles. Children do not have the life experience to be able to put pornography into context, and anything that can be done to limit their intentional or unintentional access to it is a good thing.

It won't be effective though, it'll be like when they tried to block the pirate bay in the UK, mirror sites appeared within minutes. Without a great firewall style monitoring organisation it can't ever really be effective. Most people don't access porn through actual defined websites but through social media, blogs and message boards. All it does is provide the illusion of safety for families withought actually having to do any of the hard work or have the difficult conversations.

And if you think children won't find ways round it your wrong, its like in schools, unless you have a constantly updated rock solid filtering system eventually a child will work out how to get round it and then tell all their friends and the system becomes pointless. Its a giant game of whack-a-mole, which is why the ISPs don't want to get involved as if they actually have to do it properly its going to cost a fortune.

 

[Saiyar]

Anyone else remember when the coalition promised to repeal all the laws brought in by Labour that infringed on our civil liberties.

 

[Kentpaul]

I wonder how long it'll be before sites the government don't want us seeing "accidentally" end up classified as pornographic and therefore blocked.

4chan will bring down the government within weeks for pulling this shit.

 

[Photolysis]

How would it affect torrents? Essentially the blocked site pirate bay can still be accessed and they have porn, how would the Govt block that?

And TPB isn't even blocked on several ISPs (including my own), just the larger ones. Not that it's hard to evade.

The incompetence of these people is just staggering. Unfortunately it's the only thing protecting us at this point.

 

[kurtrussell]

So is anyone here going to protest this? I mean, it's one thing to lend another angry voice to an anonymous internet forum, but anyone fancy picking up a placard, taking it to Trafalgar Square and defending your basic human right to see a chick being filled in every hole?

 

[Portugeezer]

Adult DVD sections, coming to a HMV near you!

*clicks on adult DVD section*

 

[Red Liquorice]

You should be taking responsibility for your children's lives not expecting the rest of us to sign up for the government's pervert register just so you can be lazy.

I agree but couldn't resist!

 

[Psychotext]

So is anyone here going to protest this? I mean, it's one thing to lend another angry voice to an anonymous internet forum, but anyone fancy picking up a placard, taking it to Trafalgar Square and defending your basic human right to see a chick being filled in every hole?

No, because apparently anyone against it is a child hating paedophile.

Spoiler

No, I'm not sure how that works either.

 

[Captain_Spanky]

I agree but couldn't resist!

It's a fair cop

 

[Jackpot]

Explain this to me:

Having BDSM sex = legal
Looking at a picture of BDSM sex = illegal

Wasn't enough they used our ISPs to spy on us, now they want to bend us over and fuck us up the arse.

 

[Kentpaul]

So is anyone here going to protest this? I mean, it's one thing to lend another angry voice to an anonymous internet forum, but anyone fancy picking up a placard, taking it to Trafalgar Square and defending your basic human right to see a chick being filled in every hole?

If any happens in Scotland i will get drunk and join in. (As soon as I'm off bail) I just cannot stand for this shit and will not stand down.

 

[JonathanEx]

Explain this to me:

Having BDSM sex = legal
Looking at a picture of BDSM sex = illegal

Wasn't enough they used our ISPs to spy on us, now they want to bend us over and fuck us up the arse.

But they don't want us to watch them fucking us up the arse

 

[Kentpaul]

I love how this news breaks around the time of the royal baby so no one will notice.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Explain this to me:

Having BDSM sex = legal
Looking at a picture of BDSM sex = illegal

Wasn't enough they used our ISPs to spy on us, now they want to bend us over and fuck us up the arse.

Having sex with a 16 year old = legal
Taking pictures of said sex = 10-15 years in prison

 

[Photolysis]

Explain this to me:

Having BDSM sex = legal
Looking at a picture of BDSM sex = illegal

Wasn't enough they used our ISPs to spy on us, now they want to bend us over and fuck us up the arse.

There's a few other oddities as well.

Age of consent is 16. You're not allowed to possess explicit images/videos of anyone under 18.

Technically speaking this means every time you remember yourself having sex between 16-18, you're viewing child pornography, and it's illegal.

 

[SKINNER!]

So is anyone here going to protest this? I mean, it's one thing to lend another angry voice to an anonymous internet forum, but anyone fancy picking up a placard, taking it to Trafalgar Square and defending your basic human right to see a chick being filled in every hole?

Do you plan on writing to Parliament asking them to burn all copies of Zoo/FHM/Maxim, ban 15/18 rated movies and Barry White CDs? I mean, it's one thing to support internet censorship, why not take it one step further?

 

[kurtrussell]

Do you plan on writing to Parliament asking them to burn all copies of Zoo/FHM/Maxim, ban 15/18 rated movies and Barry White CDs? I mean, it's one thing to support internet censorship, why not take it one step further?

That'll be a "no" then?

And for the record, I don't support internet censorship - if it was a mandatory ban of all internet pornography being suggested, then I would be pretty much against it. As an easily opt-outable filter, however, then yes I am in favour of it.

I'd also love to know which 15 rated movies you've been watching that include full penetration.

Spoiler

And can I find them on Lovefilm?

 

[Captain_Spanky]

Explain this to me:

Having BDSM sex = legal
.

It's technically not. If you bruise someone you are guilty of assault, if you consented to that bruise you are guilty of conspiracy to commit assault.

 

[kurtrussell]

Age of consent is 16. You're not allowed to possess explicit images/videos of anyone under 18.

And here's an interesting question - by and large, would GAF be in favour of a two-tiered age of consent?

Ie - 16 - 18 year olds and then 18+ ?

Whilst it's currently legal, the idea of a 30 something banging a 16 year old seems fucking skeevy to me.

 

[Nicktendo86]

Meh, talk talk already have something like this. When I signed up a few weeks ago I just had to tick a box to say I want safe search or whatever they called it disable, no biggie and as I did it online I didn't have to feel like a pervert on the phone telling some customer services person that i wanted to be able to access porn.

 

[Mindwipe]

And for the record, I don't support internet censorship - if it was a mandatory ban of all internet pornography being suggested, then I would be pretty much against it. As an easily opt-outable filter, however, then yes I am in favour of it.

What happens to people who don't control the account when they need to get past the filter?

Sites helping women deal with abusive husbands, or teens needing help with their sexuality. Kinksters who have the temerity to want to check their social media message box on Fetlife while using public wifi?

We can already go and test the proposed filters - Talk Talk for example have done such a shitty job that they block the help and support reddit /r/lgbt and not /r/spacedicks.

 

[kurtrussell]

Meh, talk talk already have something like this. When I signed up a few weeks ago I just had to tick a box to say I want safe search or whatever they called it disable, no biggie and as I did it online I didn't have to feel like a pervert on the phone telling some customer services person that i wanted to be able to access porn.

BIG MISTAKE! Don't you read GAF? You're now on some super-secret "I am a pervert" list. Or something.

 

[Psychotext]

public wifi?

That's an interesting side effect that I didn't think of. I would imagine that all public WIFI (especially from the big providers) will have it enabled by default and there wont be a way around it.

 

[Ziltoid]

And for the record, I don't support internet censorship - if it was a mandatory ban of all internet pornography being suggested, then I would be pretty much against it. As an easily opt-outable filter, however, then yes I am in favour of it.

There is absolutely no need for a government filter. It's a waste of money and it's a slippery-slope towards more censorship. Family filter solutions are plenty available, and very easy to set up.

The only ones who want this are technically inept politicians, who think this will somehow magically stop porn and lazy parents.

 

[Portugeezer]

BIG MISTAKE! Don't you read GAF? You're now on some super-secret "I am a pervert" list. Or something.

It's true though. Then they'll target you to find out what porn you watch.

 

[DBT85]

What "job" is that exactly? Newsflash: installing internet filter software is not a parent's "job".

My kids are savvy to the dangers of the internet. They also understand what pornography is. However, I have two daughters who due to the apparent pressures of growing up today, are already ridiculously self-concious of their body image. I do not want them possibly exposed to something that could either exasperate this or teach them that the role of a woman is just to satisfy a man. I don't believe they would seek this kind of material out, but if there's an ISP level filter that can prevent them from inadvertently accessing this material, then I don't see how I could possibly not be in favour of it.

If somebody wants to watch porn that badly, then what's the problem with calling up to make a phonecall? Are you really so selfish to not understand that the potential good this filter could do outweighs the inconvenience of you having to perform one 30 second action to ensure continued access to adult entertainment?

You talk about body image being a concern (and it is) but what about the magazines, newspapers, TV, pop artists etc, who do everything they can to thrust young attractive huge breasted women in your face? Things that are readily available everywhere, singers that girls idolise who walk around in bras or diaphanous clothing constantly. Magazines that are allowed to take a picture of Britney Spears, shop it to the point where it looks nothing like the star in question and put it out as if that was what a woman looks like.

Porn is the last place I would worry about people getting body image issues from all the time everything else is so visible and all the time the media is encouraging it.

Blocks like this should be opt in, not opt out.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

And here's an interesting question - by and large, would GAF be in favour of a two-tiered age of consent?

Ie - 16 - 18 year olds and then 18+ ?

Whilst it's currently legal, the idea of a 30 something banging a 16 year old seems fucking skeevy to me.

I'd be in favour of that. I lost my virginity when I was 16 to a 16 year old, but jesus christ it would be so wrong if I slept with a 16 year old today. I''m in favour of this two tiered age of consent idea.

 

[Nicktendo86]

BIG MISTAKE! Don't you read GAF? You're now on some super-secret "I am a pervert" list. Or something.

Woops! Best cancel my sub to gigantic asses

 

[Fudgepuppy]

If this happens here, it would be so awkward since both me and my dad would deny needing porn to each other.

Sort of like an Infernal Affairs but with internet porn.

 

[Psychotext]

If this happens here, it would be so awkward since both me and my dad would deny needing porn to each other.

Easily worked around.

"Dad, can you get that filter turned off because it looks like the idiots have blocked INSERT MANLY SPORTING WEBSITE because it had some bikini clad women on it."

He'll nod sagely and off you go.

 

[Wes]

Daily Mail has been on a BAN THIS SICK FILTH campaign for months now, calling for an opt-in on internet porn and publishing articles about how little Timmy was a perfect student before he saw some porn and became a serial killer..

What a victory for them.

 

[Pyramid head]

What "job" is that exactly? Newsflash: installing internet filter software is not a parent's "job".

My kids are savvy to the dangers of the internet. They also understand what pornography is. However, I have two daughters who due to the apparent pressures of growing up today, are already ridiculously self-concious of their body image. I do not want them possibly exposed to something that could either exasperate this or teach them that the role of a woman is just to satisfy a man. I don't believe they would seek this kind of material out, but if there's an ISP level filter that can prevent them from inadvertently accessing this material, then I don't see how I could possibly not be in favour of it.

I have honestly never met a female that has used porn stars as a metric by which they gauge their body image, or from whom derive any sort of life guidance. Pop music, teen magazines and pretty much all media aimed at teenage girls if absolutely fucking rife with stuff that could potentially cause harm in the way you describe; incalculably more so then porn I'd wager. When can we get started on banning all that stuff?

 

[PJV3]

And here's an interesting question - by and large, would GAF be in favour of a two-tiered age of consent?

Ie - 16 - 18 year olds and then 18+ ?

Whilst it's currently legal, the idea of a 30 something banging a 16 year old seems fucking skeevy to me.

No way, the law shouldn't be used to criminalise anything that feels a bit icky. A consenting 16 year old doesn't need the justice system guarding their naughty bits.

 

[Funky Papa]

What a victory for them.

The right column...

I want to burn that rag to the ground and ejaculate on its ashes.

 

[marvelharvey]

The right column...

At least The Mail will get blocked then.

I'd be far more embarrassed opting to have The Mail unblocked than porn.