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Is it racist if you aren't attracted to a particular race?

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Suspicious of the notion that not a single black person (example) is attractive to them? The way it is typically framed ' I don't find black people attractive' usually underlines some personal preference they have noticed among some people of a particular race, which they then ascribe to everyone. You can find every conceivable trait within every race, we aren't talking about homogeneous groups here, so when someone makes that claim, they look extremely ignorant.

I was going to reply to him for you but you've done a much better job. I think he's just being obtuse. No one has ever or will ever see every person of a particular race to be able to say unequivocally 'I don't find (insert race) attractive'
 
Calling certain preferences "racist" would feel weird just because attraction is so intensely personal and, at least in my experience, you don't really have conscious control over what you find attractive.

I kind of think it depends on how each person approaches it in their own mind. Do I have racial preferences? Yes. I tend to be most attracted to Latina and Eurasian girls, and least attracted to black and Asian girls. That being said, do I still see gorgeous black and Asian women everyday who I am very attracted to? Absolutely. Would I ever state that black and Asian women as a whole are unattractive? Or that I'd never date a black or Asian woman? Hell no. And in the latter case, I'd feel pretty comfortable labeling anyone who would as a racist. Writing off an entire group of people based on what you perceive their common features to be is straight up racism as far I'm concerned.
 
No it just means you have no taste. Like an 8 year old who will only eat pb&j sandwiches.

That said, I can't remember ever finding an Eskimo attractive.
 
No but I can't understand people like this.

Beautiful woman = Beautiful woman.

I find it odd that people cannot separate beauty from sexual attraction.

Maybe its different for gay people, but I can totally recognize a girl as extremely gorgeous without feeling the slightest bit of sexual attraction for her.
 
well, the essential reason for your preference is racist. so yes, i suppose it is. "i don't like that skin color"

if it isn't racist, its at least materialistic or misogynistic/misandrist. so its not like its any better than being racist.
 
I find it odd that people cannot separate beauty from sexual attraction.

Maybe its different for gay people, but I can totally recognize a girl as extremely gorgeous without feeling the slightest bit of sexual attraction for her.

are you attracted to men or women?
 
It's the sort of racism for which the effects are only noticeable when looking at a large population size.Let's imagine that a specific guy in the US is not particularly interested in Asian women. Alone, not a problem. But now let's imagine that this general preference is widespread, and we see that Asian women are finding it disproportionately difficult to find a husband. In that case, Asian women are clearly the victim of subconscious racism in some form or fashion, but it would be nearly impossible to pin it to specific individuals as the perpetrators.

This is a solid hypothesis, but it still needs to differentiate itself from other "deal-breaker" preferences (physical, mental, and emotional) that manifest themselves on a wide scale. Overweight women, skinny men, tall women, short men, pimples, nerdy voice, nerdy hobbies, too much makeup, shrilly voice, laughter with a snort, leathery skin, old people, ears poke straight out, nose points up showing nostrils, outdated clothing style, strong body-odor, unkempt facial hair, baldness, buck teeth, teeth with large gaps, etc.

There are many, many, many preferences that people consider "deal breakers" on a mass scale. Some of those I listed are pretty easy to differentiate (e.g. pimples indicate infection, whereas race does not indicate a lack of health), but others are more difficult to differentiate (e.g. ears poking straight out, laughter with a snort, and a shrilly voice have little to do with survival, yet are widely seen by individuals as undesirable, and are potentially deal-breakers for many).

I'm not suggesting that they can't be differentiated, though. Or perhaps you could say that there has also been systematic discrimination against individuals with shrilly voices, but we don't have a word for that -ism like we do with racism. But if we go that route, that's a whole lot of -isms. And considering how, historically, societal preferences abandoned have been replaced by different societal preferences (e.g. preference for overweight women being replaced by the preference for skinny women), labelling those all as discriminatory -isms seems to suggest an impossible task of eliminating all societal non-survival-related preferences.

Last point: Our ancestors who discriminated their mates based on skin color were naturally selected over those who did not (i.e. preference for black skin helped their offspring survive the intense sun exposure around the equator; preference for white skin helped their offspring survive the lack of sun-derived vitamin D in the northern areas like Europe). While this is not applicable today, and it is probably not genetically coded in us to prefer a black skin tone or a white skin tone, there IS a strong probability that it's genetically coded in us to view skin tone generally as a major factor for consideration in mate selection, and how we view that factor is probably largely societally-influenced (e.g. In the USA white-controlled media, "fair skin" was preferred, but then later replaced by a preference for "tan skin" rather than fair skin, which then was pejoratively termed "pasty").

TL;DR: Societally-influenced sexual preferences do not necessarily indicate a discriminatory -ism is afoot, although they could. But to assert the presence of one, we need a strong showing of evidence. (That evidence of discrimination likely exists with regard to a sexual preference against black skin. Mumei's probably got a study he can drop in here.)
 
I was going to reply to him for you but you've done a much better job. I think he's just being obtuse. No one has ever or will ever see every person of a particular race to be able to say unequivocally 'I don't find (insert race) attractive'

Of course they can't, I assume you meant me when you said he's being obtuse. I'm saying that we always generalize. When you say I'm asian, or I'm Indian aren't you generalizing and saying you are representative of what asians and indians look like or are? So you generalize and say the same, I don't find persians attractive, I don't think Korean women are hot, you don't need to see/meet everyone in those groups to state it no? I agree it's ignorant, but racist? I don't buy it. You like what you like, maybe it's not overt but subconscious like one of the mods stated. That it's a byproduct of your culture, life and upbringing.
 
Definitely pining for the day that racism and its terminology is named for what it truly is: blood magic, a bullshit facade for base contempt of one's fellow human beings. It's bad enough that it still persists, but it drives me nuts that it still walks around in the garb of civilized society as though it still belongs here.
 
Last point: Our ancestors who discriminated their mates based on skin color were naturally selected over those who did not (i.e. preference for black skin helped their offspring survive the intense sun exposure around the equator; preference for white skin helped their offspring survive the lack of sun-derived vitamin D in the northern areas like Europe). While this is not applicable today, and it is probably not genetically coded in us to prefer a black skin tone or a white skin tone, there IS a strong probability that it's genetically coded in us to view skin tone generally as a major factor for consideration in mate selection, and how we view that factor is probably largely societally-influenced (e.g. In the USA white-controlled media, "fair skin" was preferred, but then later replaced by a preference for "tan skin" rather than fair skin, which then was pejoratively termed "pasty").

no
 
Of course they can't, I assume you meant me when you said he's being obtuse. I'm saying that we always generalize. When you say I'm asian, or I'm Indian aren't you generalizing and saying you are representative of what asians and indians look like or are? So you generalize and say the same, I don't find persians attractive, I don't think Korean women are hot, you don't need to see/meet everyone in those groups to state it no? I agree it's ignorant, but racist? I don't buy it. You like what you like, maybe it's not overt but subconscious like one of the mods stated. That it's a byproduct of your culture, life and upbringing.

Yes we generalize but you and I know that there are many variations (skin color, eye color, facial features) within each race so I dont think one can unequivocally state 'Im not attracted to (insert race)' You think its ignorant and so do I but id take it one step further and also call it racist. We will just have to agree to disagree.
 
Everyone has preferences to certain physical features but I never really understood writing off an entire group of people just for being a certain race. Within any specific race there are limitless ways that people can look, otherwise its just an over-generalization.
 
Last point: Our ancestors who discriminated their mates based on skin color were naturally selected over those who did not (i.e. preference for black skin helped their offspring survive the intense sun exposure around the equator; preference for white skin helped their offspring survive the lack of sun-derived vitamin D in the northern areas like Europe). While this is not applicable today, and it is probably not genetically coded in us to prefer a black skin tone or a white skin tone, there IS a strong probability that it's genetically coded in us to view skin tone generally as a major factor for consideration in mate selection, and how we view that factor is probably largely societally-influenced (e.g. In the USA white-controlled media, "fair skin" was preferred, but then later replaced by a preference for "tan skin" rather than fair skin, which then was pejoratively termed "pasty").

I am sorry, but that's bullshit. It's definitely based more on societal conditioning then anything. What you are even suggesting is not even natural selection.

FYI White people invented the term RACE, what it means and who is at the top and who is at the bottom. Latin people are white. SO when they say white or latin they mean white.
 
Skin complexion isn't of much importance to me (even though I have a preference for mediterranean tans :S), but it is quite understandable. It is a large part of visual stimuli. Colors.

Thing is, people love to think of extremes, and often people express themselves in broad statements.
I can find myself saying: "I don't find northerners attractive" which actually stems from a more comprehensive statement: "More often than not, I find northerners not attractive.".
But that is not the same as "There are no attractive northerners." and even less so than "I'd never date a northerner.".

But to serve internet discussion, some will "infer" the last.

Best post of this thread.
 
It's not my case but I still can't see how it'd be racist. I don't think we can choose who we find attractive. There are people genetically prone to eat nothing but fries, so I don't think finding a particular kind of woman/man attractive is that weird. Some people have narrow taste in a lot of stuff.
 
Last point: Our ancestors who discriminated their mates based on skin color were naturally selected over those who did not (i.e. preference for black skin helped their offspring survive the intense sun exposure around the equator; preference for white skin helped their offspring survive the lack of sun-derived vitamin D in the northern areas like Europe). While this is not applicable today, and it is probably not genetically coded in us to prefer a black skin tone or a white skin tone, there IS a strong probability that it's genetically coded in us to view skin tone generally as a major factor for consideration in mate selection, and how we view that factor is probably largely societally-influenced (e.g. In the USA white-controlled media, "fair skin" was preferred, but then later replaced by a preference for "tan skin" rather than fair skin, which then was pejoratively termed "pasty").

Would you care to share the extensive and well-tested data that you undoubtedly pored over prior to adopting this assertion? I mean, that's how you roll right?

I do not believe in blindly adopting dataless assertions as fact, even if they reinforce what I already believe..... I'm sorry if my requirement for data before I adopt an assertion as fact bothers you, but it is not a practice I will give up.

I'll just be waiting here for you to get back with some empirical data or maybe some research experiments. I'm sure that's all the rage in evolutionary psychology these days.
 
There are many, many, many preferences that people consider "deal breakers" on a mass scale. Some of those I listed are pretty easy to differentiate (e.g. pimples indicate infection, whereas race does not indicate a lack of health), but others are more difficult to differentiate (e.g. ears poking straight out, laughter with a snort, and a shrilly voice have little to do with survival, yet are widely seen by individuals as undesirable, and are potentially deal-breakers for many).

but not dating black people has a lot to do with survival with all the gun violence and poverty and just danger in black neighborhoods. plus you make yourself a target when you get into an interracial relationship, and not just from strangers...
 
but not dating black people has a lot to do with survival with all the gun violence and poverty and just danger in black neighborhoods. plus you make yourself a target when you get into an interracial relationship, and not just from strangers...

this has nothing to do with finding someone attractive, sexually.
 
It does not mean that one would endorse racist attitudes (i.e., one could have sexual preferences for certain races/ethnicities while also adopting anti-racist beliefs), but I'd be curious if there were a correlation between sexual preferences and implicit biases. (And having implicit biases would not make one a bad person, at least if one tried to consciously correct for them.)
 
but not dating black people has a lot to do with survival with all the gun violence and poverty and just danger in black neighborhoods. plus you make yourself a target when you get into an interracial relationship, and not just from strangers...

This has to be a joke, but it's GAF and after a lot of the Zimmerman threads I don't know.

So you're telling me that you wouldn't date someone because of the danger in her neighborhood? Damn, why didn't you tell me before. Now that you mention it if I date a beautiful black woman, I'd probably have to juggle my love for her with the fact our kids would probably be at higher risk of being chased on the way home from 7/11...

What a dumb comment man. I don't know a single person who would ever think that, and if they did, they don't deserve to find anyone ever in life.
 
I've always wondered about this. I like black chicks, but I rarely see or meet one I'm attracted to. Most of them are busted imo. It's just preference right?
 
I've always wondered about this. I like black chicks, but I rarely see or meet one I'm attracted to. Most of them are busted imo. It's just preference right?

You need to get out more

It depends on the reasons behind not finding said race not attractive.


There is no reason, most of GAF's and people's reasons are well it's just what I prefer, but how do you know what you prefer if you never tried it? It's a feeling? that not really a reason.

Tell how you really feel towards Blacks or any other minority race out there
 
This is a solid hypothesis, but it still needs to differentiate itself from other "deal-breaker" preferences (physical, mental, and emotional) that manifest themselves on a wide scale. Overweight women, skinny men, tall women, short men, pimples, nerdy voice, nerdy hobbies, too much makeup, shrilly voice, laughter with a snort, leathery skin, old people, ears poke straight out, nose points up showing nostrils, outdated clothing style, strong body-odor, unkempt facial hair, baldness, buck teeth, teeth with large gaps, etc.

There are many, many, many preferences that people consider "deal breakers" on a mass scale. Some of those I listed are pretty easy to differentiate (e.g. pimples indicate infection, whereas race does not indicate a lack of health), but others are more difficult to differentiate (e.g. ears poking straight out, laughter with a snort, and a shrilly voice have little to do with survival, yet are widely seen by individuals as undesirable, and are potentially deal-breakers for many).

I'm not suggesting that they can't be differentiated, though. Or perhaps you could say that there has also been systematic discrimination against individuals with shrilly voices, but we don't have a word for that -ism like we do with racism. But if we go that route, that's a whole lot of -isms. And considering how, historically, societal preferences abandoned have been replaced by different societal preferences (e.g. preference for overweight women being replaced by the preference for skinny women), labelling those all as discriminatory -isms seems to suggest an impossible task of eliminating all societal non-survival-related preferences.

Last point: Our ancestors who discriminated their mates based on skin color were naturally selected over those who did not (i.e. preference for black skin helped their offspring survive the intense sun exposure around the equator; preference for white skin helped their offspring survive the lack of sun-derived vitamin D in the northern areas like Europe). While this is not applicable today, and it is probably not genetically coded in us to prefer a black skin tone or a white skin tone, there IS a strong probability that it's genetically coded in us to view skin tone generally as a major factor for consideration in mate selection, and how we view that factor is probably largely societally-influenced (e.g. In the USA white-controlled media, "fair skin" was preferred, but then later replaced by a preference for "tan skin" rather than fair skin, which then was pejoratively termed "pasty").

TL;DR: Societally-influenced sexual preferences do not necessarily indicate a discriminatory -ism is afoot, although they could. But to assert the presence of one, we need a strong showing of evidence. (That evidence of discrimination likely exists with regard to a sexual preference against black skin. Mumei's probably got a study he can drop in here.)

Yo, it's time to hang up the keyboard homie.
 
Saying that you are not attracted to Asian woman because of the ones you see in porn is not a valid reason. Believe it or not I've heard this reason more than once or twice from other people. I'm like, fuck outta here.
 
This is a solid hypothesis, but it still needs to differentiate itself from other "deal-breaker" preferences (physical, mental, and emotional) that manifest themselves on a wide scale. Overweight women, skinny men, tall women, short men, pimples, nerdy voice, nerdy hobbies, too much makeup, shrilly voice, laughter with a snort, leathery skin, old people, ears poke straight out, nose points up showing nostrils, outdated clothing style, strong body-odor, unkempt facial hair, baldness, buck teeth, teeth with large gaps, etc.

There are many, many, many preferences that people consider "deal breakers" on a mass scale. Some of those I listed are pretty easy to differentiate (e.g. pimples indicate infection, whereas race does not indicate a lack of health), but others are more difficult to differentiate (e.g. ears poking straight out, laughter with a snort, and a shrilly voice have little to do with survival, yet are widely seen by individuals as undesirable, and are potentially deal-breakers for many).

I'm not suggesting that they can't be differentiated, though. Or perhaps you could say that there has also been systematic discrimination against individuals with shrilly voices, but we don't have a word for that -ism like we do with racism. But if we go that route, that's a whole lot of -isms. And considering how, historically, societal preferences abandoned have been replaced by different societal preferences (e.g. preference for overweight women being replaced by the preference for skinny women), labelling those all as discriminatory -isms seems to suggest an impossible task of eliminating all societal non-survival-related preferences.

Last point: Our ancestors who discriminated their mates based on skin color were naturally selected over those who did not (i.e. preference for black skin helped their offspring survive the intense sun exposure around the equator; preference for white skin helped their offspring survive the lack of sun-derived vitamin D in the northern areas like Europe). While this is not applicable today, and it is probably not genetically coded in us to prefer a black skin tone or a white skin tone, there IS a strong probability that it's genetically coded in us to view skin tone generally as a major factor for consideration in mate selection, and how we view that factor is probably largely societally-influenced (e.g. In the USA white-controlled media, "fair skin" was preferred, but then later replaced by a preference for "tan skin" rather than fair skin, which then was pejoratively termed "pasty").

TL;DR: Societally-influenced sexual preferences do not necessarily indicate a discriminatory -ism is afoot, although they could. But to assert the presence of one, we need a strong showing of evidence. (That evidence of discrimination likely exists with regard to a sexual preference against black skin. Mumei's probably got a study he can drop in here.)

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All I know is,(and of course this is 100% anecdotal) every single person I've met that has said to me "I'm not attracted to x race" has always been in some way or form discriminatory towards said race. Whether that be through the form of stereotypes or straight up racism I've yet to meet a person in real life that has uttered those words and not turned out to be some kind of asshole in the assumptions they make about x race.
 
I am sorry, but that's bullshit. It's definitely based more on societal conditioning then anything. What you are even suggesting is not even natural selection.

Eh? The part you bolded sounds pretty reasonable?

The earliest members of the hominid lineage probably had a mostly unpigmented or lightly pigmented integument covered with dark black hair, similar to that of the modern chimpanzee. The evolution of a naked, darkly pigmented integument occurred early in the evolution of the genus Homo. A dark epidermis protected sweat glands from UV-induced injury, thus insuring the integrity of somatic thermoregulation. Of greater significance to individual reproductive success was that highly melanized skin protected against UV-induced photolysis of folate.

As hominids migrated outside of the tropics, varying degrees of depigmentation evolved in order to permit UVB-induced synthesis of previtamin D. The lighter color of female skin may be required to permit synthesis of the relatively higher amounts of vitamin D necessary during pregnancy and lactation.

Source: http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem/faculty/leontis/chem447/PDF_files/Jablonski_skin_color_2000.pdf
 
For it to be racist you'd have to assume that anyone is under any obligation to be attracted to anyone. Obviously that's not the case, so no.

But you might still be racist anyways.

I don't think an obligation to be attracted to anyone really plays a part in the answer to this question.

At it's core, racism is about the creation of a hierarchy of races, not about moral rights vs wrongs*. I think the question as to if it is racist is thus independent of whether or not you have an obligation to be fair.

I'm going to have to say that it might be racist to an extent, but that due to the involuntary nature of the decision and the lack of a moral imperative to be fair in your personal choice of mates, that such a preference is not morally wrong. The strength of the preference and the extent to which its a conscious choice could potentially change that, IMO.


* Quoting Wikipedia, "Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior, or superior."
 
So I guess with that reasoning being black is bad or the least preferable for anything except other black people of course. Even if we are relate to chimps the way they choose things isn't the same the way we choose things

Eh, no? It suggests having a dark skin tone was preferable if you where exposed to a lot of sun, while a light skin tone was preferable in areas that get little sun such as northern Europe.
 
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