FEZ 2 (possibly?) cancelled | Aka: Phil Fish acts like a 5 year old on Twitter

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Alienous said:
FEZ 2 wasn't going anywhere creatively, and Fish takes an internet argument as the opportunity to announce that a game (that probably didn't exist) was cancelled, in order to get attention for himself.
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Wut.

Also, Twitter is as much a means of direct communication as anything. It isn't like he went out and contacted the press to make a story out of it and did the interview rounds. He made a single small tweet to announce his intentions and that was that.
 
This just goes to show that instead of giving them caring and compassion, the world hates insecure people, will push them to being volatile then blame the insecure person for it, and would literally segregate them if they could so they wouldn't have to see them, deal with them, or be annoyed by them.
 
The irony of all of this is the comment section of that entire website. Nothing but straight insults from people who don't know him personally, whom he's never spoken to, never insulted in their face, never killed their parents or harm them in anyway.

It really sucks that you can't be human at all once you get money. You must be "them". I still love Fish and is even a bigger fan of him because of this. The man did something half the people on that website sit on their asses and demand, bitch and cry about all day not doing. He deserves some damn credit. This is so messed up, like it just..Ugh.. Disgusts me.

Maybe he can just stick to his royalties and do something else with his life.
 
I'm betting on the game still coming out.

This is just an elaborate prank. Look at his avatar. Andy Kaufman. Someone who was known for pulling shit like this. Fish probably thinks it's funny.
 
animlboogy said:
Kamiya's widespread adoration on this very forum is a great example that illustrates just exactly how you built a strawman to make a point.

Phil Fish isn't Mike Patton, he's Axl Rose.
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Some people on GAF adore Kamiya not because he's any better than Fish (he's not, Kamiya is a grade-A dick) but because he makes Japanese games. Not everyone on GAF likes Kamiya though.
 
Alienous said:
FEZ 2 wasn't going anywhere creatively, and Fish takes an internet argument as the opportunity to announce that a game (that probably didn't exist) was cancelled, in order to get attention for himself.

What a baby.

'I don't like the criticism. I don't like the attention.' He says (albeit not in those words) on his fucking Twitter account. He's telling someone to kill themselves, and he can't put up with being criticized?

Calling him a baby isn't fair on babies. I just don't want to hear from, or about him, anymore.
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nah man, he's trolling. "hey guyz i was just trollin' it was only a joke LOLZ take it ez im so fany, look at my avatar i'm total badass troll lel"
 
Secret Fawful said:
This just goes to show that instead of giving them caring and compassion, the world hates insecure people, will push them to being volatile then blame the insecure person for it, and would literally segregate them if they could so they wouldn't have to see them, deal with them, or be annoyed by them.
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Phil Fish acts like an ass occasionally and has said some stupid fucking shit in his time, don't just gloss over that. He definitely helped bring things to this point, even if NEITHER SIDE, not Fish nor the pitchforking hordes, wants to ever admit any part in the escalation. One look at damn near any internet discussion involving him, though, and it becomes apparent that he's just one loud Fish in a big old fucking sea of shit fish. And by shit fish, I mean shit people
 
Burt said:
Wut.

Also, Twitter is as much a means of direct communication as anything. It isn't like he went out and contacted the press to make a story out of it and did the interview rounds. He made a single small tweet to announce his intentions and that was that.
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You think that he could just cancel FEZ 2 if it had the concepts, scope/scale and gameplay plotted out? Nope. Feckin' nope.

It his demonstration of "Hey look, I can do this. I can get rid of this. Look at me. I just cancelled a game. Like it didn't matter. I don't like gaming. I don't like gamers. Look at what I done". Piss off. More like "... we just can't think of what to do with FEZ 2 ... wait a second ... 'Fuck you, gamers. We just cancelled FEZ 2, which was totally going to be awesome' ".

Bullshit.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
The irony of all of this is the comment section of that entire website. Nothing but straight insults from people who don't know him personally, whom he's never spoken to, never insulted in their face, never killed their parents or harm them in anyway.

It really sucks that you can't be human at all once you get money. You must be "them". I still love Fish and is even a bigger fan of him because of this. The man did something half the people on that website sit on their asses and demand, bitch and cry about all day not doing. He deserves some damn credit. This is so messed up, like it just..Ugh.. Disgusts me.

Maybe he can just stick to his royalties and do something else with his life.
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its kind of startling to see that people are going the "he should have known how to deal with the assholes and harsh nature on online criticism" route.. instead of criticizing the absolutely disgusting internet behavior that is going on..
 
Secret Fawful said:
This just goes to show that instead of giving them caring and compassion, the world hates insecure people, will push them to being volatile then blame the insecure person for it, and would literally segregate them if they could so they wouldn't have to see them, deal with them, or be annoyed by them.
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Why would the internet be a nice and heavenly place when there's a myriad of problems, complexities, perspectives, and realities outside the internet? The internet isn't a funnel, its a gigantic gaping hole where things simply happen.
 
XtaLarge said:
Phil Fish acts like an ass occasionally and has said some stupid fucking shit in his time. One look at damn near any internet discussion involving him, though, and it becomes apparent that that's one loud Fish in a big old fucking sea of shit fish.
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We all say stupid fucking shit, but nope, we're all blameless. Phil Fish, on the other hand, should have never been born apparently.
 
Aye Nawn Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:20
Top fucking lel

PC Fishaus Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:21
Guess this is one game my SpreadSheet Machine won’t be missing huh?

BlowFish Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:22
Cry me a river, Fishy-boy. No one cared for FEZ, no one cares for FEZ II and no one cares for the cancellation.

a guy Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:23
You brought this upon yourself, don’t try to act like the victim here. beer was defiantly in the wrong just lashing out like that but you really need to learn to control your emotions. I think leaving the gaming industry will be good for you as you obviously cannot deal with the “status” that you have gained in the gaming world.

rofl Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:23
Get lost you waste of talent. Shitbag telling others to kill themselves, you dont deserve your fame, money or attention.

Bob Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:24
Good. I hope that you never come back

Fish-a-filet Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:24
I would be sad if this was a good game. Fez is not a good game. I am happy a hack such as you gave up on releasing your next abomination.

Ugh Non Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:25
You are an embarrassment.

Lola Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:25
Good news. Stop making games please.

Phillip Poisson Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:27
Why not pull Fez from steam while you’re at it? Or is this another stunt to try and get a few more sales for your pretentious little game?

Adoll Knitler Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:27
Suck my dick, choke on it.

Happy you're leaving. Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:28
So the face of indie gaming is a blubbering idiot who can’t deal with criticism.

Jon Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:28
Good, Fez was shit, who would want more of that shit?

Aye Nawn Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:28
$10 says the douche comes back in 6 months trying to release his terrible game again.

Naw guys, I just needed time to get my head together. I’m significantly less of a douche now.

Nojustice4trayvon Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:28
Where’s that straight white male privilege when you need it the most, Fish?

Maybe you should stop beating women.

Oscar, the fish Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:28
Grow a thicker skin and a pair, buddy. Do not go back on the cancellation however, mankind ill needs garbage games such as this.

Nemo Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:31
So long, and than… actually, hold the thanks. Nothing good came of this hack designer.

rofl Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:31
I like how the pussy is hiding his twitter too. Scared bitch piece of shit.

Ted from Work Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:32
Choke my dick, suck on it!

Anita Says:
July 27th, 2013 at 16:32
I don’t even know you but you look like an asshole who got what’s coming to him
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I'm seriously trying to imagine what it would be like to get these kinds of comments every day.
 
MormaPope said:
Why would the internet be a nice and heavenly place when there's a myriad of problems, complexities, perspectives, and realities outside the internet? The internet isn't a funnel, its a gigantic gaping hole where things simply happen.
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Sure, you just keep justifying this fucking bullshit.
 
gngf123 said:
I'm seriously trying to imagine what it would be like to get these kinds of comments every day.
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Exactly. Now try to imagine getting all of these comments every day and als being mentally unstable as well.

Nah Phil Fish ist just a huge dick. Fuck him.

This is something that he could fix, but so far he hasn't. That doesn't make it right to be as insensitive as most people are.
 
XtaLarge said:
Fish gave out death threats?

I don't recall him doing that (that Futurama quote isn't a death threat, you people... your reasoning is bad and you should feel bad. Say it's in poor taste or whatever but don't call it something it's not) and given the veracity and sheer stupidity of some gamers I'm sure he's received quite a few of his own. And that count is only going to increase, starting tonight
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Yeah, I lapsed. He told someone to kill themselves. I was just thinking of it in the context of him telling someone to die, but he didn't say he would kill them. Just that they should kill themselves.

Sorry.
 
Secret Fawful said:
We all say stupid fucking shit, but nope, we're all blameless. Phil Fish, on the other hand, should have never been born apparently.
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If thousands of people were following what I said, I'd either watch what I say, be ready to defend my position, or say what I want in ways that don't generate mobs. It really is that simple.

Secret Fawful said:
Sure, you just keep justifying this fucking bullshit.
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Nope. I'm not naive and its not hard to gather why shit storms happen.
 
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Im not surprised he lost it, people in here are acting like a bunch of "Phil Fishes"
 
ultron87 said:
Are you saying Kotaku (or any gaming site) shouldn't report on this or something?

How predictable Kotaku, reporting on a major game being canceled.
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It's just totally 'Kotaku' to be pretty much the first to react to a twitter-news-thingy like this. To give them some credit, they did actually reach out to Fish to clarify the situation.

(To be honest, I don't even hate Kotaku like most of GAF, it was meant to be a bit of a joke)
 
animlboogy said:
Two people insult each other ("You're a hipster!" vs. "Please kill yourself"). One person moves right along with life. The other person has a meltdown, closes his twitter account, and cancels his high-profile videogame project.

I don't need some kind of stamp of approval from the Gaming Hivemind to think that Fish is just a little bit more irrational in this situation.
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I'd say one has more emotional interest and personal stake vested in their medium, stands only to lose in equal measures anything they can gain in a situation like this... and the other is someone who could care less, has nothing at stake or in contention, and can only benefit from the situation. Annoyed Gamer is plying his trade, Phil Fish is having his trade plied. In all fairness, the only way he could properly respond is via game development, because that's his element. As it stands it's like a bad battle rapper vs an architect.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
The irony of all of this is the comment section of that entire website. Nothing but straight insults from people who don't know him personally, whom he's never spoken to, never insulted in their face, never killed their parents or harm them in anyway.
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With Fez 2 cancelled, maybe Phil Fish can use the free time to go around apologizing to people he's insulted over the internet, people he's never met. I hope those victims of his are doing okay these days.
 
gngf123 said:
I'm seriously trying to imagine what it would be like to get these kinds of comments every day.
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I don't mean to victim blame, because honestly those kinds of comments are gutter trash, but if Phil put even the tiniest bit of effort into improving his attitude toward both his (potential) customers and the industry in general, he wouldn't get 1% as much of this sort of reaction.
 
MvmntInGrn said:
Does he get them everyday or when he shouts similar not-so-nice things from his twitter stage?

Phil Fish himself has said things this harsh before.
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Yeah he has, and yes he does get a lot of hate all the time.

It goes both ways, but by this point it is nothing more than a loop he has got himself caught in.

He receives hate, eventually breaks down (like today), gets a crapload of extra hate, restart.
 
Phil Fish was being an asshole online long before most of this forum knew who he was.

He invited this himself by being a complete and utter douchebag. If you're going to start shit on the Internet you better be ready for the response.
 
animlboogy said:
I find Kamiya's twitter amusing because he makes genuinely funny jokes here and there, he answers a ton of posts, and he moves on from each one. There's running jokes, funny pictures... etc. I like Platinum's games well enough, but not so much that I even own a console that plays any of them at the moment.

Phil Fish rants and raves, doubles down, casts himself as a victim, and is never particularly amusing.

It's a good contrast because it shows that there's a big difference between being prickly and being intolerable. It's not like Phil Fish is the first guy who acts like a sociopath to hide behind the spectre of Andy Kaufman, by the way. As I've said in the thread already: To be anything like Kaufmann, you first must be funny.
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Phil rants and raves, but also does have insightful thoughts, funny jokes, and completely innocent posts. Kamiya keeps it short and sweet in English and saves most of his grander thoughts and ideas for his native language so there's a bit of a disconnect. Most of the English speaking Twitterverse gets to see Kamiya as a string of emoticons, question marks, and telling people to eat shit.

Of course, amusement is subjective. I find Kamiya annoying but earnest. I find Fish annoying but insightful. I honestly don't understand why Kamiya is seen as particularly less of an asshole than Fish.
 
Skull Leader said:
With Fez 2 cancelled, maybe Phil Fish can use the free time to go around apologizing to people he's insulted over the internet, people he's never met. I hope those victims of his are doing okay these days.
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I hope they haven't all had internet meltdowns and quit their jobs and faded away into nothingness.
 
Courage said:
And guess what? You will always get comments like those. That's the nature of the internet. You learn to adapt.
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Which I'm sure is easy for internet anons to say

See, I can't call you by name while I'm calling you a great pile of sun-roasted dog shit for saying some things I personally disagreed with a year or two ago, and simultaneously diminishing the culmination of your creative ambition because I feel like out-pricking some prick I don't know on the internet. I can't do that and then hop on the circlejerk bus where a thousand dozens of other people are doing the same thing. If you can't see at all how that might grate after a while, even on someone who has 'thick skin', then you're being disingenuous. At some point you move on and let a train wreck smolder instead of getting everybody together and pointing and laughing and acting like it's all cool

See, I'm conflicted because I know that Phil Fish is a dickhole and have recently rescinded my old defenses of him, and to be honest I didn't even like Fez as a game. I thought it was pretty awful or at the very least, not for me. I however always get shit kicks out of people who want to call someone out on being an asshole when their demeanor and dialogue on the internet would lead me to believe that they're assholes too.
 
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