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I can imagine some people lacking maturity and doing something like this.
Wired: Final Fantasy Isnt Dying. Its Already Dead
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I can imagine some people lacking maturity and doing something like this.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I thought the Producer was Kitase?
Razgriz-Specter
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High five!
Xilium
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Looking through the thread, It seems as though most of the people agreeing with the article are people that simply grew out of FF, specifically those that are reminiscing about FF6 and/or FF9. Frankly, I don't think SE is trying to retain all their older generation fans and are instead focusing on what appeals to their younger generation of fans. Whereas WRPGs are largely targeted towards adult gamers, JRPGs are largely targeted at teens so the fact that many older gamers are migrating over from JRPGs to WRPGs is not at all surprising (additionally, a western developed game would naturally appeal more easily to someone accustomed to western media).
That said, there are always new gamers coming into the market and FF games are still among the highest selling RPGs around (most RPG developers wish they could get XIII-2's sales, despite how poor they look for the series). It may be true that fewer new gamers are coming into the franchise and/or older players are dropping out of it faster than before, but that alone is only proof of the franchise being in decline (a slow one) but it's still a far cry from being dead.
Their sales are bad only from a historical franchise point-of-view and the people that complain the most about the franchise are people that grew up on it but no longer play the games (and in many cases, they haven't since FF9). All this doom and gloom over the franchise in recent years seems completely overblown to me and it's primarily coming from people that don't play JRPGs anyway.
P.S. On the argument of XIII's sales, what does it matter if it sold 5M or 6M copies? A multi-million selling game is still a hell of an accomplishment. Very few games break 1M in sales, especially within the RPG genre.
That said, there are always new gamers coming into the market and FF games are still among the highest selling RPGs around (most RPG developers wish they could get XIII-2's sales, despite how poor they look for the series). It may be true that fewer new gamers are coming into the franchise and/or older players are dropping out of it faster than before, but that alone is only proof of the franchise being in decline (a slow one) but it's still a far cry from being dead.
Their sales are bad only from a historical franchise point-of-view and the people that complain the most about the franchise are people that grew up on it but no longer play the games (and in many cases, they haven't since FF9). All this doom and gloom over the franchise in recent years seems completely overblown to me and it's primarily coming from people that don't play JRPGs anyway.
P.S. On the argument of XIII's sales, what does it matter if it sold 5M or 6M copies? A multi-million selling game is still a hell of an accomplishment. Very few games break 1M in sales, especially within the RPG genre.
Haha!
That thread brings back disturbing memories. Anyway, as that same thread you linked says, you obtain the 'Orthopedic Underwear' in the Nibelheim flashback. I think your mod may be a fan translation.
Is it Tifa's Bootstrap by any chance? Once I've got all Steam achievements I plan on giving some of these mods a whirl, only done music ones so far.
On-Topic: FFXV will, if it keeps the promises it seems to have made, presumably hit like VII did. Plus, the FFXIV:ARR beta topics seem to be quite positive in general. In fact, it is actually convincing me to try an MMO.
Nope. X-2 had nothing to do with it. It was FFXI followed by FFXII. FFXI barely anyone played (it was a good MMO it wasted a few years of my life) but had a huge barrier to entry on PS2 and a monthly fee.
Then we got FFXII which had amazing ideas in its setting and open world map to explore but the characters and story were just forgettable. And the battle system was ok but it was received negatively by most fans since it was MMO the offline version. Maybe if Matsuno wasn't forced to leave and finish his game this would have been the best FF but nothing can be done now.
FFXIII was supposed to be the one that brough FF back to glory but oh what a spectacular failure the FFXIII series has been.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'd say both of those come from the hard reality of trying to make the prettiest games in the business with the largest game worlds.
By the time you get to the PS2 era, asset-reusing side stories become prudent.
By the time of the PS3 era, the time to deliver one of these games meant that a game could languish in development hell for years on end.
Obviously some studio could have weathered these challenges (ie through heavy outsourcing to international studios, like Ubisoft). But I think many of the pitfalls Square fell into would have been faced by many studios that decided they were going to make pretty and expansive game world in the 90s. As the tech demands grew, the single studio system that once printed gold would eventually be forced to recycle work, and fail to meet deadlines.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
What does it mean to be the Localization Executive Producer?
Oublieux
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Agreed. Apparently, Basch was originally supposed to be the main character but I don't think the company took a liking to have an older, more hardened character being the lead.
I feel like the FF series needs entries with different directors, producers, etc. Nomura and Toriyama have their hands way too deep in the pockets of the franchise. Their takes on the FF world have become trite and worn out, and their lesser roles in FFXII is partially why the game was such a breath of fresh air to me.
I think those are two separate titles. Localization AND Executive Producer.
I won't claim to be an expert on Japanese business to say exactly what those jobs entail, however. Note that he had the same job for FFX.
Interesting quote:
Development of Final Fantasy X began in 1999 and was first presented at the 2000 Square Millennium Event together with Final Fantasy IX and Final Fantasy XI, although this early version greatly differs from the final game. Although Hironobu Sakaguchi showed doubts about the transition from 2D to 3D backgrounds, voice acting, and real-time storytelling, he also stated the success of the series was due to constantly changing development and trying out new things.
Razgriz-Specter
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Its great even on PS3.
BurnOutBrighter
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Good ol' clickbait.
AgentLampshade
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Final Fantasy XV.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I very much agree. I wish there were way more diverse teams working on these games. As of right now, it's pretty much determined by 1.5 house auteurs.
It should be set up more like a Hollywood studio, with multiple, diverse projects going on. Maybe even hire a few producers and scenario writers from outside.
Are you insane? Let me point something out to you...
So, the FF that everyone and their mother bitched about? Probably saved SE's ass for many, many years.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
They seem to be the same thing. Just watched the X-2 credits.
Interesting quote indeed.
Makes sense to me.
So yeah, all those people screaming about FFx-2 or how they need to bring Sakaguchi back...they don't know what they're talking about.
The quote is especially interesting in the face of all the people saying "Gotta go back to the early days" when Sakaguchi himself said that change is good.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Oh please. You are gonna blame him for that? It was a genuine experiment. Up until then FF never had a sequel.
As stated before Sakaguchi did more then just supervise games.
And change is good. But change for the sake of change is not.
Pristine_Condition
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I generally play JRPGs almost entirely for the combat and upgrade systems. If I didn't, I wouldn't play many JRPGs, since I find most have stories and characters that are fucking idiotic. At least X-2 realized what it was, and went for it in being lighthearted and fun and nonsensical with cute girls. I'll take that any day over the usual, too serious for it's own good, brooding, reluctant hero, save the universe bullshit.
You're awfully righteous for a guy who just posted numbers that don't back you up without understanding what they are, and then claimed that your guess is probably right anyway. Why not just admit you're mistaken, like you're asking others to do?
All of the worldwide sales numbers that come from Square Enix are shipment numbers, period. Worldwide sell through numbers don't exist.
I'm not the one saying FFX-2 was bad or that it ruined the company? You may be confusing me with someone else.
I'm saying that the people complaining are just making things up about the games they like/dislike. Blaming or praising people for things they did / did not work on, for example.
DukeTogo1300
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I've felt this way for years now. It is sad, but those old classics aren't going anywhere.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
People will always complain. People complained when XII was out and about. You'll never be able to please everyone.
Of course it made the most money. I did not mean from a profit perspective. More from general fanbase
It was facing bankruptcy after Spirits Within.
Do you have any numbers to suggest it's facing bankruptcy now?
FF11 is 11 years old and just got an expansion released this year.
There's more people playing FF11 daily than any other FF from 11 years ago.
Heheh
One of the mods fixes script errors and provides better translations, this one from Final Fantasy 7 International I believe. I don't have the Steam version and I believe there might be compatiblity issues with it. Check out the qhimm forum and find a guide to setting up BOOTLEG, it handles installation of every FF7 mod you could need with a GUI, can be a pain getting what you want having to completely reinstall for each minor change though. Script fixes are part of Menu Overhaul.
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=13212.0
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So instead of making XIV why didn't they just revamp FFXI?
Not that I care.
Not that I care.
So much this. After X I really gave up on it.
Dog food is delicious
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Now is a funny time to get upset about boobs in Final Fantasy games.
Especially since the size of them was apparently intentional.
Someone wanted big boobs on Tifa.
No, you're supposed to carry it to mount Enix and throw it into the cracks of Square.
You fool! You've doomed us all to the third age of Final Fantasy XIII sequels after sequels after sequels!
Razgriz-Specter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXcL06P3ko
At least they let you know what you are getting from the start.
I didn't hate it though I liked X way more.
Heheh
One of the mods fixes script errors and provides better translations, this one from Final Fantasy 7 International I believe. I don't have the Steam version and I believe there might be compatiblity issues with it. Check out the qhimm forum and find a guide to setting up BOOTLEG, it handles installation of every FF7 mod you could need with a GUI, can be a pain getting what you want having to completely reinstall for each minor change though. Script fixes are part of Menu Overhaul.
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=13212.0
Thanks
youngwerther
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FF7 has boob jiggling.
Replaying the game right now, Tifa's tits jiggle like crazy when they escape from Shinra and jump into the car.
Thank you!
Square was making profits again by 2002, before they merged with Enix. And their market capitalization was higher then than it is now.
The complete failure of FFXIV and Square/Enix/Eidos's repeated near-misses on big bets in the AAA space are costing the company just as much as Spirits Within did then.
Yes that's because it is a MMO and those last for a long time. But its all the same people playing it for years the hardcore FF11 players. I used to be one of them.
But in terms of pure numbers of unique players I doubt it has passed any of the single player FF games. I remember when I used to play there were around 500k-1 million players subscribed. Which is great but even at its peak but that doesn't mean a majority of the fanbase has played it or atleast played to the extent an MMO requires to be played.
Well.... I mean, I'm sure what the kneejerk defense will be, but they aren't that far off. The future FF games will still move some units. But its best days are very likely behind it.
That's actually rather interesting.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Well it's just Pinky and the Brain at this point. And The Brain moved out. What do you have left?
The Tifa thing is missing the point. Tifa wasn't the focal point of that game.
This coming from someone that doesn't care for FF7.
Square played up Lightning as a serious, mature protagonist for 13. She was the focal pount of 13. A male Cloud sans pouting.
Now they're fucking with her cup size to solely titilate.
Square hilariously bungled Final Fantasy this generation.
On top of that, JRPGs clearly are no longer the massive AAA blockbusters they used to be in years past.
I loved FF12 and really wish Matsuno got to finish his vision, but I think that title made more sense as a Tactics Ogre game.
This coming from someone that doesn't care for FF7.
Square played up Lightning as a serious, mature protagonist for 13. She was the focal pount of 13. A male Cloud sans pouting.
Now they're fucking with her cup size to solely titilate.
Square hilariously bungled Final Fantasy this generation.
On top of that, JRPGs clearly are no longer the massive AAA blockbusters they used to be in years past.
I loved FF12 and really wish Matsuno got to finish his vision, but I think that title made more sense as a Tactics Ogre game.