isn't this huge piece of pie just 4 million? considerable but not really huge, compared to ~30 million.
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Nintendo Wii U 'flogging a dead horse'-BBC UK
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isn't this huge piece of pie just 4 million? considerable but not really huge, compared to ~30 million.
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Uk gafffer here, wiiu is deader then dead here.
-no body in the uk even knows what a wiiu is,most that do think it's an add on and have clue nintendo lauched a console
-once retailer are dropping your console even worse at this early stage then there no coming back from it, dreamcast got dropped never came back from it and so did gamecube start getting drop a few years into it's life.
-most uk dudebros buy a system just to play fifa,cod and gta, without fifa the wiiu has no future in the uk let alone not having gta 5 as well.
No price drop is saving this system that not the problem, it has much bigger issues like being an unappealing product with a lack of games,confusing branding & poor marketing.
A price drop is going to do very little for this system.
-no body in the uk even knows what a wiiu is,most that do think it's an add on and have clue nintendo lauched a console
-once retailer are dropping your console even worse at this early stage then there no coming back from it, dreamcast got dropped never came back from it and so did gamecube start getting drop a few years into it's life.
-most uk dudebros buy a system just to play fifa,cod and gta, without fifa the wiiu has no future in the uk let alone not having gta 5 as well.
No price drop is saving this system that not the problem, it has much bigger issues like being an unappealing product with a lack of games,confusing branding & poor marketing.
A price drop is going to do very little for this system.
biggersmaller
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I will buy a WiiU when it hits $150 and all the major Nintendo published games are announced/released.
papercan55
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Absolutely true. When you see a promotional image for the new Mario game like this one:
It just enforces the idea that the tablet controller is indeed an addon for the Wii. It must be since one of those kids is playing with a Wiimote. So they must be playing on a Wii!
but they are playing on a wii, look at the tv.
didn't that game come out in 2009.
i'm so confused...
Psycho_Mantis
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Do you really think the 3DS will do 150 million lol.
People didn't buy Wiis to play Fifa and GTA either, nor did they do so on Gamecubes and N64s. I agree with the rest of your post though.
I don't know what a Wii U is and I own one!
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DXB-KNIGHT
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Software is what makes a hardware valuable not power, the UK market seems not interested in what Nintendo's current game portfolio.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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They need more games and need them fast. But how can they if Nintendo is making it themselves? It's kind if their fault though. They have this notion that they have to do it their way or the highway. I think they can turn this ship around (or at least keep it from sinking) by collaborating with other developers or doing something more risky with their franchises. Like Dark Souls for example, maybe do a Zelda Souls with From Software for example.
Also, the third party ports being more expensive than the other consoles hurts them. It's ridiculous when Sniper Eite on Wii U is $60 and the Complete edition is $20-30 on the 360/PS3. That's just one example. The third party Wii U games never get discounted either at retail stores while the 360/PS3 games get deals all the time!
And no marketing either on NoA's end. I never see Wii U commercials and no ads on differentiating the Wii U to the Wii. I still think a lot of people don't know the Wii U is a next gen Nintendo console.
It's bad and not looking good. The casual crowd is with Apple and the core Nintendo fans are grown up an moved on. All that's left are blind loyal fans like myself who still loves their games, like the comic book direct sales industry.
Also, the third party ports being more expensive than the other consoles hurts them. It's ridiculous when Sniper Eite on Wii U is $60 and the Complete edition is $20-30 on the 360/PS3. That's just one example. The third party Wii U games never get discounted either at retail stores while the 360/PS3 games get deals all the time!
And no marketing either on NoA's end. I never see Wii U commercials and no ads on differentiating the Wii U to the Wii. I still think a lot of people don't know the Wii U is a next gen Nintendo console.
It's bad and not looking good. The casual crowd is with Apple and the core Nintendo fans are grown up an moved on. All that's left are blind loyal fans like myself who still loves their games, like the comic book direct sales industry.
The strategy of selling inexpensive hardware with a distinguishing feature to a wide audience is still sound. Nintendo made it work for both the DS and Wii, after all. But selling more motion control and another Wii Sports wouldn't work since people want something new.
The odd part is that the Wii U strategy with its big emphasis on "core" titles and appeasing 3rd parties seems like a total reversal of what made the Wii so successful in the first place.
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This is becoming the "When Legend becomes Fact, Print the Legend" scope of media
If you keep saying it's doomed, news report of it's demise, financial reports that back up the doom, public will buy into, they will think it's real and Nintendo is on it's death bed
You have to destroy that poison ASAP
Sony dealt with FIVE HUNDRED NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS for many, many fucking years, followed up by the PS3 haz no game and the eventually the year of the PS3....
Took 5+ years to wash away that stench and rehab their image
NINty is on the cusp of being irrelevant in the main public eye, once you get hit with that stain, you will be stagnant for a long fucking time, some overcome and become darlings again *cough*Apple*cough* or die out
True, but 3DS games appear regularly in the UK chart now. It's not Nintendo's IP that's the problem, it's the WiiU being a poorly conceived idea with no idea of what market it is aimed at, crippled by a crap name, confusing initial marketing, lack of recent promotion, little third party support and sod-all first-party support for most of the first year.
Gormless Noodle
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They've been following the Wii formula already aided by Nintendo of America's market research.
Starfish Hero
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They are very comparable. Product recognition and advertisement was a huge issue for both. They both suffered awful spring and summer droughts. They both had/have pretty barren 3rd party support even after the post-drought holiday. They both had/have strong competition during their supposed breakout holidays (no matter how much people like to forget the 3DS's). Everyone thought/thinks the target audience of their predecessors have all but disappeared.
Sales are a bigger issue for Wii U, while price was a bigger issue for 3DS. Other than that, where are these stark differences between the two? I know the 3DS holds a special place in everyone's heart nowadays, but how can so many people forget that it's outlook was only marginally better than the Wii U, all things considered.
Relaunch the damn thing for $200 without the pad. A spec bump would be nice too, so it can at least play gimped versions of PS4/X1 games. Games alone won't do anything, the hardware offers no value or appeal whatsoever. A "gamer focused" console with good 3rd party support along with Nintendo's franchises at a bargain basement price could keep them afloat. Gamecube market share is about the best they can hope for at this point.
Kazuma Kiryu
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The 3ds has been out for 10 fiscal quarters. If you compare both the 3DS and the DS at the same point in time:
3DS - 32.48million
DS - 40.29million
The 3DS is behind 7.81million units. The next fiscal quarter has the DS at 47.27million units. The 3DS turned it around somewhat, but it's not going to sell like the DS. That market went somewhere, and they didn't go for the vita.
the thoroughbred
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Everyone keeps saying this, but I haven't seen it that heavily discounted. Amazon has it for £250. That's £50 off the black.
DigitalDevilSummoner
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it needs software, not random third party software, lots of nintendo software that shows off the capabilities of the dual screen thing.
There are millions and millions of Wii's stuffed in boxes under beds, tucked away in lofts and sat discarded gathering dust under AV centres owned by people who got completely bored of the Wii ____ series at least 2-3 years ago.
Wii Sports and Wii Fit are not the answer for the Wii U. Not a chance.
dream
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Absolutely true. When you see a promotional image for the new Mario game like this one:
It just enforces the idea that the tablet controller is indeed an addon for the Wii. It must be since one of those kids is playing with a Wiimote. So they must be playing on a Wii!
Wow, I've never seen that image before. I think the Wii-quality graphics contribute a lot to that perception too.
Domstercool
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Those that "vanished" are probably the non-gamers who are still fine playing their DS. I knew someone at work who was 62, didn't play video games, but got a DS to play sudoku, scrabble and other TV show-based games. I had never seen anything happen like that before.
evilromero
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A price drop won't help without buzz-worthy games.
IdreamofHIME
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EGN.com, good job BBC.
IncandescentPrecept
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Yes, because the 3DS sold a quarter of what the DS in the same quarter.
Why release it for €200 without the pad when you can get it for that price with the pad RIGHT NOW? As you say yourself, that won't help.
the thoroughbred
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I have said it before. All it would take would be to buy a few franchises outright. Pro Evo, FiFa and then market it like crazy. Get a few celebs on board, big footballers and geezers (British word for tool). Then get a few british glamour models in the ads playing dancing games boobs bouncing everywhere Kelly Brook and co. It wouldn't even cost that much in the grand scheme of things. The big expense would be advert slots.
IncandescentPrecept
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Buy FIFA? Serious about that?
KingSunIsFree
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I didn't take long for nintedo fans to put a spin on this news.
Betta Lines
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Buy FIFA! Brilliant!
PdotMichael
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You can't compare 3DS and WiiU.
Nintendo is completly Japan centric in all its business decisions (see all the software exclusive deals for example). This can work for the 3DS because Japanese companies provide the biggest part of all noteworthy software titles for a handheld. But they are irrelevant for the console world since the end of the PS2.
+ all the other things
Nintendo is completly Japan centric in all its business decisions (see all the software exclusive deals for example). This can work for the 3DS because Japanese companies provide the biggest part of all noteworthy software titles for a handheld. But they are irrelevant for the console world since the end of the PS2.
+ all the other things
the thoroughbred
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If I was Iwata, damn right. Why?
Absolutely true. When you see a promotional image for the new Mario game like this one:
It just enforces the idea that the tablet controller is indeed an addon for the Wii. It must be since one of those kids is playing with a Wiimote. So they must be playing on a Wii!
Yep. Everything associated with the Wii and the U needs to be abandoned if Nintendo is to have any hope after this. No Wii backwards compatibility. No Wii remote compatibility. No pro controller compatibility. No tablet controller compatibility. Burn that bridge and don't look back. It's a cancer on your image.
Betta Lines
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One does not simply.... buy FIFA.
We can argue about that.
http://www.shafaqna.com/english/vie...ge-the-2022-world-cup-shafaqna-exclusive.html
That's a bit ridiculous. So you want them to be essentially a third identical system? That wouldn't do well either
Yes, Wii U sales improved by 667 units in the UK when Amazon slashed the price by 100 pounds.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641407&page=1
I think he's sarcastic.
I have seen a few people note that Nintendo needs to give up on the Wii U already and put out new hardware in a year or two on par with the PS4 and X1 in terms of "Raw Power", the implication being it's perceived lack of power is one of it's biggest problems. I don't see this at all.
The biggest problem the Wii U has in my opinion is an image problem. Some it stems from very poor marketing, (such as keeping the Wii name and not differentiating it enough so that it's obvious to the average Joe out there that it is indeed a new generation console) and lack of advertising. IMHO, Nintendo's continued refusal to embrace Online gaming is their biggest problem BY FAR.
Their refusal thus far to embrace online has directly led to the prevailing opinion (correctly I might add) that Nintendo is WAY behind the times, and they have lost a generation of gamers here. Obvious examples would be the use of friend codes, no online account system, and the lack of any online integration into their first party games (Smash and Kart being the lone exceptions).
Kids today have grown up with high speed internet, tablets, smartphones, skype, the list goes on and on. Technology has changed the game (no pun intended) in the video game market. Kid's don't pile together into their friends living room for local multi-player anymore, yet Nintendo seems to continually try to push this while virtually ignoring the online experience.
All of this leads me to my point. Hardware won't and can't fix the problem until they get a clue and fully embrace the Online experience. My fear is that they eventually will figure this out, but it will be too late to matter.
The biggest problem the Wii U has in my opinion is an image problem. Some it stems from very poor marketing, (such as keeping the Wii name and not differentiating it enough so that it's obvious to the average Joe out there that it is indeed a new generation console) and lack of advertising. IMHO, Nintendo's continued refusal to embrace Online gaming is their biggest problem BY FAR.
Their refusal thus far to embrace online has directly led to the prevailing opinion (correctly I might add) that Nintendo is WAY behind the times, and they have lost a generation of gamers here. Obvious examples would be the use of friend codes, no online account system, and the lack of any online integration into their first party games (Smash and Kart being the lone exceptions).
Kids today have grown up with high speed internet, tablets, smartphones, skype, the list goes on and on. Technology has changed the game (no pun intended) in the video game market. Kid's don't pile together into their friends living room for local multi-player anymore, yet Nintendo seems to continually try to push this while virtually ignoring the online experience.
All of this leads me to my point. Hardware won't and can't fix the problem until they get a clue and fully embrace the Online experience. My fear is that they eventually will figure this out, but it will be too late to matter.
Even if the Wii U was doing well, there'd still be doomsaying because it'd not be doing as well as the Wii which was a massive anomaly. It's exactly what is happening with the DS and 3DS here. 3DS is doing well, it's just not shooting up like crazy because of a previously untapped market like the DS did
PdotMichael
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moltonasty
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I think he means for the next Nintendo console? To just pretend like the Wii and Wii U never happened.
Those who think a more powerful console would solve Nintendo's problems, you guys are really really wrong. If Nintendo is struggling to make games with the power they have now, how in the world would they deal with a console even more powerful? Whether a more powerful console would even result in more third party support is doubtful, considering wii u doesn't even get current gen ports, which it is certainly capable of.
I apologise, but I'm merely making my assertion based upon the statements people have been making regarding the 3DS compared to the DS
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