PaulExcellent
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Get out.
Still, that picture makes it look like an add-on.
Hell, most people I know that are casual gamers still think it is one. :/
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Nintendo Wii U 'flogging a dead horse'-BBC UK
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Get out.
Still, that picture makes it look like an add-on.
Hell, most people I know that are casual gamers still think it is one. :/
32m 3DS' and 4-5m Vitas ain't shit if you know what handhelds used to sell. Let's not talk about software sales. They're right, you're wrong.
Some people say the PS3 is a failure even though it sold 80 mio. Past successes are always a point of reference.
Well, do you think the Wii U will be in significantly better shape than this after the holidays?
You can't criticise a news source for making assumptions about a future event that may or may not occur and then do exactly the same thing in the next breath to support your argument.
People criticise the Wii U because its sales performance - amongst other things - is absolutely abysmal. Worse than anything else this industry has seen in over a decade. These comments suggesting people are just "doomsayers" are pathetic. There are a countless reasons right now to slam the Wii U and accusing those comments as just doom mongering is nothing but a pitiful defence mechanism.
lwilliams3
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Which makes Nintendo's goal to recover even more interesting to see.
On a related note, it is weird that we are getting reports like this as Nintendo has started/getting ready to push the system with a steady stream of games. Perhaps it's good timing since we soon see if the userbase will significantly grow.
Because it'll actually have software consistently coming out for it, and Nintendo will finally be marketing the bloody thing. They've already started as there are frequent Pikmin 3 adverts on TV each day at the moment
TheGreyHulk
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this is nothing like the 3DS situation people.
the 3DS always had it's own demographic they planned on selling to and that's japan, kids, nintendo faithful.
the wii u has an identity crysis. it looks like it was designed to capitalize on casuals who moved to tablets, but those casuals dont want the system. why pay $300-350 for a wii u when they can get an iphone for $200 or less on contract or just go get an ipad or nexus.
the faithful already bought the system, but many still are on the fence due to pricing. a price drop will see a nice bump in sales, but it's not sustainable. it'll fade away quick.
your average gamer doesn't really want to buy a new system to play their games. they'd rather buy a ps4/xbone/pc.
so who the hell is nintendo relying on for sales with the wii u? casuals are gone, typical core gamers are gone, all that's left is the faithful and that's not enough to sell consoles
the 3DS always had it's own demographic they planned on selling to and that's japan, kids, nintendo faithful.
the wii u has an identity crysis. it looks like it was designed to capitalize on casuals who moved to tablets, but those casuals dont want the system. why pay $300-350 for a wii u when they can get an iphone for $200 or less on contract or just go get an ipad or nexus.
the faithful already bought the system, but many still are on the fence due to pricing. a price drop will see a nice bump in sales, but it's not sustainable. it'll fade away quick.
your average gamer doesn't really want to buy a new system to play their games. they'd rather buy a ps4/xbone/pc.
so who the hell is nintendo relying on for sales with the wii u? casuals are gone, typical core gamers are gone, all that's left is the faithful and that's not enough to sell consoles
They're in a weird half-gen of their own. Who is this console for?
It's on PS3 and 360 level (power wise). That gen started eight years ago (2005). Two years later (2007), they show up with the Wii, which is a spruced up Gamecube for all intents and purposes.
Flash-forward to today and they've just released a console on par with current-gen. When Sony and Microsoft rear their heads and say "surprise!" The generation is effectively over and the market is moving on. PS4 and Xbox One out this holiday season.
Those deluding themselves saying "Wii Sports U/Wii Fit U will save the console like it did for the Wii!" are exactly that - delusional.
I appreciate the Wii sold 100 million consoles. That's a phenomenal achievement and nothing to be scoffed at. But the heart of the matter is, the Wii was so bloody successful because it created gamers out of people who had never played a game before. For christ sake my nan was going to go out and buy a Nintendo Wii, because all the old folk down her local club were buying them.
It was a craze, a fad. They weren't buying the console because of a love for Nintendo and their franchises (Mario, Luigi, etc.), they were buying it because of the novelty of jumping around and playing sports in their living rooms.
They created casual gamers. People who have now moved on to playing Angry Birds on their iPhones or Candy Crush on Facebook. The general public aren't sure what this console is, retailers aren't sure what this console, heck I'm not even sure Nintendo know completely what it is.
What the hell were they doing in that 2010+ period where the Wii was dying down and they weren't releasing first-party games for it anymore? Why weren't they investing in HD development? All this talk of their pools of cash and yet their unwillingness to spend any of it.
UK retailers are pulling this thing from their shelves because nobody is buying it. What's the incentive for getting it? Current gen began eight years ago and is about to end. Sure, cross-gen games (such as Watch_Dogs, etc.) will keep the Wii U going with some releases for perhaps the next two years. What happens when that support dries up? All you're left with is Nintendo games.
PS3 and Xbox 360 consoles and games are still selling and will maintain shelf space for the foreseeable future. PS4 and Xbox One are going to launch later this year and take up further shelf space.
Where does the Wii U fit into all of that? Who does this console appeal to other than die-hard Nintendo fans?
It's on PS3 and 360 level (power wise). That gen started eight years ago (2005). Two years later (2007), they show up with the Wii, which is a spruced up Gamecube for all intents and purposes.
Flash-forward to today and they've just released a console on par with current-gen. When Sony and Microsoft rear their heads and say "surprise!" The generation is effectively over and the market is moving on. PS4 and Xbox One out this holiday season.
Those deluding themselves saying "Wii Sports U/Wii Fit U will save the console like it did for the Wii!" are exactly that - delusional.
I appreciate the Wii sold 100 million consoles. That's a phenomenal achievement and nothing to be scoffed at. But the heart of the matter is, the Wii was so bloody successful because it created gamers out of people who had never played a game before. For christ sake my nan was going to go out and buy a Nintendo Wii, because all the old folk down her local club were buying them.
It was a craze, a fad. They weren't buying the console because of a love for Nintendo and their franchises (Mario, Luigi, etc.), they were buying it because of the novelty of jumping around and playing sports in their living rooms.
They created casual gamers. People who have now moved on to playing Angry Birds on their iPhones or Candy Crush on Facebook. The general public aren't sure what this console is, retailers aren't sure what this console, heck I'm not even sure Nintendo know completely what it is.
What the hell were they doing in that 2010+ period where the Wii was dying down and they weren't releasing first-party games for it anymore? Why weren't they investing in HD development? All this talk of their pools of cash and yet their unwillingness to spend any of it.
UK retailers are pulling this thing from their shelves because nobody is buying it. What's the incentive for getting it? Current gen began eight years ago and is about to end. Sure, cross-gen games (such as Watch_Dogs, etc.) will keep the Wii U going with some releases for perhaps the next two years. What happens when that support dries up? All you're left with is Nintendo games.
PS3 and Xbox 360 consoles and games are still selling and will maintain shelf space for the foreseeable future. PS4 and Xbox One are going to launch later this year and take up further shelf space.
Where does the Wii U fit into all of that? Who does this console appeal to other than die-hard Nintendo fans?
Really? The Wii U version looks amazing to me. One of the most impressive pieces of art style this gen.
the thoroughbred
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All I mean is make EA's Fifa absolute exclusive. How many copies of Fifa are bought in total? 15million. For £30 each that's £450million. Do it. If its exclusive and marketed like crazy and a proper full on game, not some half-ass attempt shit. Then yes they will make a loss, but still they will claw back around 10million copies and it will have a long term affect of pushing hardware and selling other things. Like a chain reaction.
You have no idea how business works.
EA would laugh Nintendo out of the building, they already hate them anyway.
People seem to think that cartoony art style means Wii graphics unfortunately. You can see it a lot in regards to Wii U games such as Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze.
With these art styles, you can't really see power increases as much as you can with "realistic" graphics unfortunately, so people assume they're just upressed. In motion, you can see that there's a significant change in effects, quality, clarity etc., but in pictures...
lwilliams3
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Yes. Nintendo Wii U's marketing for the last several months focused on games released during the second half of the year, and that time is finally almost here.
I can't blame them.
They seem to be a bit lazy when it comes to using the power of the Wii U. Pretty much everyone expected Retro to utilize the power of the console, yet it is really rough and does not look polished.
Betta Lines
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Why would EA agree to such a ridiculous idea? FIFA is a hugely profitable franchise for them. It's not for sale!
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Only thing that matters here. It doesnt mean crap that this just UK or the Reporter is getting IGN wrong. What matter is a national broadcaster just put a news story that at least one day was available to over 50 million people, that the Wii U is failing console. That segment, if aired has probably just been watched than more people than any WiiU advert prior to it.
Even if you still wanted a Wii U this would ring alarm bells. This is bad. Very very Bad.
Indeed. Nintendo would have to rush out a new console, which would take at least a year, shift all development that will elongate things and cause even more droughts and actually potentially make games not be as good as Nintendo intended.
Their best bet is to focus on marketing the Wii U and accept that it'll be a moderately selling, albeit profitable, machine
not just that, but there would be no confidence in a new machine if the Wii U fails. If Nintendo doesn't at least keep this thing afloat for the next 5 or 6 years they're DONE in the home console market.
Do you honestly, HONESTLY, think Donkey Kong and Mario 3D World are going to rise above the noise of not one but TWO next generation launches between October and December?
Do you even think they will appeal to people more than the PS3 and 360? Both likely to receive value add bundles and new software such as Grand Theft Auto V and Gran Turismo 6.
People talk about this alleged marketing push from Nintendo like its all going to be fine. The software schedule is nowhere near as consistent as people seem to be suggesting and such comments seem to completely ignore just how much Sony and Microsoft are going to strangle the market this Christmas.
Gormless Noodle
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I don't get who this console is for either. It can't be casuals since the Gamepad must look like a 9 headed dragon to those people with all the buttons, sticks, triggers and whatever other functionality it has. Yet they seem to be focusing on making games for that demographic since it's certainly not very interesting to gamers outside of a portion of the Nintendo hardcore.
What is it they want? And why do they insist on buying exclusives like Bayonetta 2, when they obviously don't target that market anymore.
What is it they want? And why do they insist on buying exclusives like Bayonetta 2, when they obviously don't target that market anymore.
The Wii U will not be a massive success. We need to accept this, you can bet Nintendo has accepted it.
However, people are doomsaying all based on the FY2014 Q1 sales. These sales represent a period of time for which there was no advertising, no marketing, and most importantly, no releases. Yes, these figures are absolutely dire, but the way people are acting, it's as if Nintendo put their all into these three months and it still failed.
Iwata said months ago that they shifted their marketing budget to the second half of the year. We now have at least one first party funded game coming each month in at least one region. We also have a plethora of third party titles finally coming out for the system.
Yes, the PS4 and Xbox One will have an effect on sales this holiday, but the Wii U is the cheaper alternative, and if Nintendo get the marketing just right then the Wii U will have a rebound. It won't suddenly set sales alight, that'd be ridiculous, but the Wii U is not dead and people need to stop acting like it is.
I believe you underestimate their appeal, yes. While the new consoles will make noise, you forget that even though the Wii fad is gone, it opened up the public's eyes to many Nintendo franchises and they will see that there's a new game out and consider purchasing the system.
Super Mario 3D World is the sequel to the fastest selling 3D Mario game of all time, one which with Mario Kart 7 saved the 3DS. It also has local multiplayer for the first ever time. It will appeal to several demographics
However, people are doomsaying all based on the FY2014 Q1 sales. These sales represent a period of time for which there was no advertising, no marketing, and most importantly, no releases. Yes, these figures are absolutely dire, but the way people are acting, it's as if Nintendo put their all into these three months and it still failed.
Iwata said months ago that they shifted their marketing budget to the second half of the year. We now have at least one first party funded game coming each month in at least one region. We also have a plethora of third party titles finally coming out for the system.
Yes, the PS4 and Xbox One will have an effect on sales this holiday, but the Wii U is the cheaper alternative, and if Nintendo get the marketing just right then the Wii U will have a rebound. It won't suddenly set sales alight, that'd be ridiculous, but the Wii U is not dead and people need to stop acting like it is.
I believe you underestimate their appeal, yes. While the new consoles will make noise, you forget that even though the Wii fad is gone, it opened up the public's eyes to many Nintendo franchises and they will see that there's a new game out and consider purchasing the system.
Super Mario 3D World is the sequel to the fastest selling 3D Mario game of all time, one which with Mario Kart 7 saved the 3DS. It also has local multiplayer for the first ever time. It will appeal to several demographics
It's a jack of all trades, master of none. That confuses the message a lot.
papercan55
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is this a joke?
most impressive art style this gen.....
it has the same horrible art style all the 'new' games have, nothing in it is 'new'.
it's a great game but the art style is very very bland, nothing in it is visually exciting,
such a waste of potential given how great it plays
D
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Super Wii Arcade Edition: Version 2014 comes first.
But what's coming to Wii U when this year ends? And the 3rd party titles seem pretty gimped compared to the versions on other platforms, especially when it comes to (online) multiplayer as nobody buys those games on Wii Ubut also when it comes to the technology (Wii U hardware has low specs compared to other next gen platforms).
The appeal of the upcoming 1st party titles is also unknown. Is more of the same enough? Can it justify a purchase of a Wii U when the post-2013 outlook is very thin besides Smash, MK8, and X?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Very good post.
The Wii U will never be a smash hit but it being "dead" is overstated and laughable.
I doubt Nintendo at this point are even thinking of ditching it.
That'd be a worse mistake than the system struggling mightily.
Very thin besides Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8? Both new iterations in series that often sell over 8 million units? Ok
Nintendo don't like to show their hand early. Just because we don't know it doesn't mean nothing is coming. I mean hell, Iwata said there's more games from Nintendo due this year on the Wii U.
Also, as for the third party games, only Batman's online is gimped. We've heard nothing of AC4, CoD, Watch_Dogs etc. being gimped
digoutyoursoul
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Excellent post
papercan55
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consistent software......
i don't think so, even after they delayed pikmin 3, wonderful 101, and rayman lengends to try and give a late 2013 push, the wii u will never have software consistently coming out....
september
october
november
december
then silence............................
mario kart in july/august if we are lucky.....please understand e.t.c
Oh right, I forgot that if we don't know it, it doesn't exist. Two months ago we didn't know about that line-up. Does it mean it didn't exist? No.
They also didn't delay the games to give the console a late 2013 push. They delayed them because they needed polish, and Ubisoft delayed Rayman to make it multiplatform
I can't see much coming besides those two games next year. Looking at Nintendo's most recent releases, most of their teams just finished a game not too long ago. So another drought? But you are right, both games sell incredibly well. But can they sustain an entire platform lacking general appeal?
Oh really? So they will still present new games that will be released this year? When shall that happen?
Wii U online games seem to be gimped when nobody plays them and publishers don't bring DLC or the multiplayer at all. Post 2013, the 3rd party situation looks really really dark, even worse than it is right now.
anexanhume
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This is impossible to say at this time.
That's what Iwata said during the investor briefing earlier last month. It's unclear when they'll reveal them, but I'm wagering it'll be within the next Nintendo Direct towards the end of this month
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._types_of_games_to_wii_u_in_the_coming_months
Well most developers are bringing DLC to the Wii U now, so that's no longer an issue, and it's just Batman and that Sniper Elite that removed it.
As for nobody playing them, well what do you expect? Do you honestly believe the PS4 and Xbox One will have massively thriving online communities at the start of their life? It'll build.
As for post-2013, that remains to be seen and we cannot make an assertion either way.
It depends how badly people want those Nintendo franchises.
Mario 3D World is not a guaranteed seller based on previous Mario games. NSMBU did nothing to sell the Wii U to people and that was the sequel to a game that sold over 30 million on Wii.
People don't know or care what the Wii U is and I don't think Mario 3D World is going to change that. This year people are buying Grand Theft Auto V, Gran Turismo 6, Batman Arkham Origins, Watch_Dogs, Battlefield 4, COD Ghosts, Assassins Creed 4, Forza 5, Killzone Shadowfall and any one of two next-gen console launches. Mario 3D World isn't even releasing until all those have already released. By the time Mario sees the light of day, the next generation will be in full swing and consumer money will have been spent.
Even with marketing, Nintendo can't compete with that. 3D World is releasing too late and there isn't enough other software to help support it. Outside of the increasingly small handful of Nintendo diehards who are waiting on the system, the Wii U cannot compete with the mindshare, software lineups, marketing budgets or consumer attention of the two next gen systems. I think you grossly underestimate just how much those two companies are going to throw at getting those systems out there.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It has cats and is made by EAD Tokyo.
If it doesn't sell a lot, then this world(not the system) should be cancelled.
I wholeheartedly disagree. I truly feel you're underestimating Nintendo. With the right marketing, they could capture the market that isn't people who want realistic racers and games where you kill people.
Besides, I've always seen NSMB games as ones that sell with the system, not ones that sell the system and this was proven with NSMBU and its insanely high attach rate. Plus it did come so soon after another
Nintendo's strategy with keeping the system obscure, and focusing on the gamepad, was probably in an effort to make Wii owners think of it as a peripheral. And if they had a $200 system, that might have worked. Wii owners might have just naturally moved to the next system. The problem is the Wii U is too expensive, and it's based on fads; I doubt there are people who are waiting for the next installment of Wii Fit, and feel like they have to get a Wii U to be able to buy it.
The Wii U has just been a series of shambling missteps. It's like Nintendo are in checkmate, because I can't see any moves to get out of this. It'll probably just end up a failed console.
The Wii U has just been a series of shambling missteps. It's like Nintendo are in checkmate, because I can't see any moves to get out of this. It'll probably just end up a failed console.
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papercan55
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i thought that was a guy in a neogaf thread speculating, rather then iwata actually saying anything. either way, they had a "sega direct", so your wait should've ended regardless
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