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[Illithid Dude]

If this club is about celebrating European ancestry, and culture, that's fine. I could imagine them doing things like celebrating Bavarian holidays, or St. Patricks day. However, if this club is about 'white oppression' or some shit like that, then no bueno.

 

[EatinOlives]

I've seen white people who have tremendous pride in and celebrations for being Irish, Italian, Jewish, and so on. If someone wanted to make a college association under those banners - and I'm sure many people do - most would not have a problem. But a White Student Union? What exactly are you celebrating or identifying with? That's a pretty huge banner. Especially in America where I can't really think of some unified, shared experience that really unites even the three groups I mentioned (beyond just being white, of course).

This.

If they wanted to actually celebrate their ancestral identity, they'd actually celebrate it by joining or founding a "Jewish Student Union", "Italian-American Society" or "Irish-American Group". "I'm White" is not an identity for anyone who actually wants to celebrate one.

This is nothing but thinly-veiled racism.

EDIT:

Another reason for ethnically oriented student organizations is that a lot of them pertain to a culture. Students want to be surrounded by people who share the same culture, and it's especially meaningful for those studying abroad from those countries to have a sense of belonging with those that they can connect with.

 

[Angelus Errare]

One day, GAF will surprise me and there won't be a defense force for something.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Oh hey, a new spin on segregation.

 

[Devolution]

But most white Americans of European ancestry are not italian, or irish. Or any other ONE specific ethnicity of europe.

But i still think most of them identify as a people. Thus have every right to define themselves, and the right to cultivate whatever they want to cultivate.

Is there already a Juggalo Chapter?

 

[littlebirdtoldme]

This.

If they wanted to actually celebrate their ancestral identity, they'd actually celebrate it by joining or founding a "Jewish Student Union", "Italian-American Society" or "Irish-American Group". "I'm White" is not an identity for anyone who actually wants to celebrate one.

This is nothing but thinly-veiled racism.

who are you to tell them what they are?

what if white americans of european ancestry, actually do identify themselves as a people? Who are you to tell them they are not?

 

[Vermillion]

But most white Americans of European ancestry are not italian, or irish. Or any other ONE specific ethnicity of europe.

But i still think most of them identify as a people. Thus have every right to define themselves, and the right to cultivate whatever they want to cultivate.

Since when have they identified in that manner? After they started getting jealous of everyone else? The people who only come together to experience a culture that isn't widespread, or the people who join together to fight against their oppression?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

But most white Americans of European ancestry are not italian, or irish. Or any other ONE specific ethnicity of europe.

But i still think most of them identify as a people. Thus have every right to define themselves, and the right to cultivate whatever they want to cultivate.

and celebrate what? They're surrounded by culture that their father's fathers cultivated. The mission of their union has been the american reality for hundreds of years. Ideally there wouldn't be BSUs or ASUs and every person would be judged as individuals and given the same fair shake, white Americans already have that.

 

[akira28]

or is it really just the 'not-colored student union', I mean if that's the true frame I'll just back away.

There are multicultural societies, european student clubs and societies, even clubs for specific countries. But this isn't about country this is about race, and do we really need a race based culture collective for whites in our schools?

I have to assume anyone who would say yes doesn't know the reasons for minority student groups being created on college campuses, and just want whites to optionally have what "they" have. And what will be the purpose of these groups? What will be the major differences that matter? Providing a place where white students can gather and socialize with other white students? Are they going to formalize into white student political activism on campus, or push for white representation in campus life? And is it needed? Or are they just salty that black student unions exist, and they're making a point?

 

[jordan0386]

What can you give a man who already has everything?

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

I'm always dumbfounded when white people scream that they have no institution that represents their interest. They do, they just aren't explicitly called White _____ or Caucasian _____

For instance, what's the white equivalent of the NAACP? Isn't it obvious? The Republican Party.

What's the white equivalent of BET or Univision? CMT, Speed, GolfTV, HGTV, Lifetime (I would argue that Lifetime only appeals to specifically white women), Hollywood etc.

What's the white equivalent of black colleges? How about colleges where the majority of the population is white (pretty much every non-black college in the US)?

What's the white equivalent of black sitcoms? Every other sitcom out there.

 

[Jimothy]

If this club is about celebrating European ancestry, and culture, that's fine. I could imagine them doing things like celebrating Bavarian holidays, or St. Patricks day. However, if this club is about 'white oppression' or some shit like that, then no bueno.

You know it will be.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

What can you give a man who already has everything?

A student union.

 

[jambo]

This is my face right now

 

[Kad5]

Yeah im curious what could even be discussed at this thing.

Also, what is 'white' anyway? The word is so arbitrary.

 

[i-Lo]

For me, I find any and all "pride" attached to any "race" to be capable of detrimental influence to amalgamation/multiculturalism.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I'm always dumbfounded when white people scream that they have no institution that represents their interest. They do, they just aren't explicitly called White _____ or Caucasian _____

For instance, what's the white equivalent of the NAACP? Isn't it obvious? The Republican Party.

What's the white equivalent of BET or Univision? CMT, Speed, GolfTV, HGTV, Lifetime (I would argue that Lifetime only appeals to specifically white women), Hollywood etc.

What's the white equivalent of black colleges? How about colleges where the majority of the population is white (pretty much every non-black college in the US)?

What's the white equivalent of black sitcoms? Every other sitcom out there.

What's the white equivalent of stop and frisk?
Institutional racism?
Different prison sentences lengths?

They just want equality all the way around bro!

 

[EatinOlives]

who are you to tell them what they are?

what if white americans of european ancestry, actually do identify themselves as a people? Who are you to tell them they are not?

When have they done this, ever?

The most white people identify with is a distant ancestry of a specific region, such as Italian or Irish. There's no such thing as identifying with a dude down the street "as a people" because your grandpa was from Ireland and his great-grandmother from the Netherlands.

 

[neojubei]

i decide to check the internet and found these sites
http://www.harvardbsa.com/web/
https://www.ulife.utoronto.ca/organizations/view/id/1847
http://www.nbsu.org/
http://uoftbsa.wordpress.com/

I don't know, why these organizations are Ok, but the other one no.

Funny how you only look for Black student unions when there are a multitude of them for Asians, Latino, International students, etc.

What can you give a man who already has everything?

Slaves, perhaps.

 

[BlackJace]

A union is supposed to be for a group of people who feel they are downtrodden and deprived of rights that others enjoy.

Tell me what rights Caucasians are deprived of.
Besides not being able to say the n word or some shit like that.

 

[Angelus Errare]

A union is supposed to be for a group of people who feel they are downtrodden and deprived of rights that others enjoy.

Tell me what rights Caucasians are deprived of.
Besides not being able to say the n word or some shit like that.

Not being able to use 1 drop rule anymore. D:

 

[TheAbsolution]

or is it really just the 'not-colored student union', I mean if that's the true frame I'll just back away.

Apparently according to Reddit the founder was handing out flyers and someone asked if they would let Jewish or Greek people in and the founder said no. Take that as you will. I'm going there next fall but as I'm not white I can't report what the meetings are like.

 

[youngwerther]

Can't blame them when the American verision of white cultural identity revolves around either A) consumption of commercialized products and mass media and/or B) tenuous attachment to a multi-generationally removed European ancestry.

 

[Vermillion]

For me, I find any and all "pride" attached to any "race" to be capable of detrimental influence to amalgamation/multiculturalism.

The purpose of those groups is usually one or both of these:

1) To maintain their culture in the face of globalization and like like, for the fear of those things being lost in the culture of the majority.

2) To be a united voice/people against oppression, systematic or otherwise.

 

[Devolution]

The white experience is pretty broad and vast even with my own family. Got dirt poor communist German/Irish farmers from the central valley, conservative Mormons generations strong from the Midwest, and Catholic Sicilians who were typically assumed to be mobsters.

So there is no real central unifying experience there.

 

[Kad5]

When have they done this, ever?

The most white people identify with is a distant ancestry of a specific region, such as Italian or Irish. There's no such thing as identifying with a dude down the street "as a people" because your grandpa was from Ireland and his great-grandmother from the Netherlands.

White Nationalists do it...

Identities are constructed so it isn't impossible for this sort of identity to form if people choose to group themselves with it.

But I feel like any identities beyond ethnicity are dumb. The color of your skin doesn't really determine your ethnicity.

 

[childplease]

Meh doesn't seem like a big deal I guess.

So long as their union does not spout hate or anything bad like that then what is the problem.

Probably just end up being a frat but then again most frats are just white unions already right.

 

[Kinitari]

Apparently according to Reddit the founder was handing out flyers and someone asked if they would let Jewish or Greek people in and the founder said no. Take that as you will. I'm going there next fall but as I'm not white I can't report what the meetings are like.

If Jewish people and Greek people are not allowed in, then the Union itself and it's management are racist - if not (all) the members as well. As far as I understand, most Unions let all sorts of people in, even if they're not of the particular ethnicity/religion or whatever.

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

What's the white equivalent of stop and frisk?
Institutional racism?
Different prison sentences lengths?

They just want equality all the way around bro!

I once jokingly argued that white people should be given affirmative action for prison sentences during a debate in a college classroom. Like they should just automatically be given 30% more time added on to whatever the verdict on the sentence would be to make up for the affirmative action (which by the way, WHITE women are the biggest beneficiaries of) they miss out on in college.

 

[Wiktor]

I don't see how white is any less of cultural identity than black or asian. I say lat them be untill they actually start doing racist things.

 

[Enron]

Ha, this thing will have like 10 members and will fizzle out quickly when a couple of them get their ass kicked or their cars keyed or something.

 

[EatinOlives]

White Nationalists do it...

Identities are constructed so it isn't impossible for this sort of identity to form if people choose to group themselves with it.

But I feel like any identities beyond ethnicity are dumb. The color of your skin doesn't really determine your ethnicity.

Definitely true, although that veers dangerously into jingoism/racism, and many of organizations identifying themselves in this manner don't veer that closely by sheer accident.

 

[youngwerther]

Ha, this thing will have like 10 members and will fizzle out quickly when a couple of them get their ass kicked or their cars keyed or something.

Which would make me think they'd have all the more reason to do it.

 

[akira28]

I'm always dumbfounded when white people scream that they have no institution that represents their interest. They do, they just aren't explicitly called White _____ or Caucasian _____

For instance, what's the white equivalent of the NAACP? Isn't it obvious? The Republican Party.

What's the white equivalent of BET or Univision? CMT, Speed, GolfTV, HGTV, Lifetime (I would argue that Lifetime only appeals to specifically white women), Hollywood etc.

What's the white equivalent of black sitcoms? Every other sitcom out there.

No, because they're not all white, so they can't be for whites only. They're bringin it back! I had my doubts but holy shit it's rising agiiiin.

 

[Complex Shadow]

someone needs to fucking slapped some fucking sense.

 

[foxuzamaki]

It's only racist if white people do it. Right?

*sigh*

 

[SummitAve]

I don't see how white is any less of cultural identity than black or asian. I say lat them be untill they actually start doing racist things.

You don't get rational reasoning when you have a microscopic perspective. It's just selfish.

 

[gutter_trash]

if you can go inside a time machine, go to any period in time and it will be awesome when they get there = you don't need to start up a white club

 

[akira28]

someone needs to fucking slapped some fucking sense.

I had the perfect image, but it would be way to provocative, and I'm usually not that kind of guy.

 

[Loofy]

I don't see how white is any less of cultural identity than black or asian.

Im not white but would Irish people seriously feel some kind of common comradery with say.. Russians? 'Hey we're both white'

 

[Derwind]

So....

About that 1 drop rule....

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I'm not saying everyone who would join such a group is a racist, but >95% of them harbor some racist ass ideologies for sure.

 

[Enron]

Which would make me think they'd have all the more reason to do it.

Please. These little weenies will fold like a card table as soon as someone gets in their face somehow.

 

[youngwerther]

Please. These little weenies will fold like a card table as soon as someone gets in their face somehow.

I don't understand how this relates to what I said.

The crux of my message is that if they were actually going to be physically assaulted or have their property defaced b/c of membership, then they ironically would have a point to starting their union after all.

 

[ReiGun]

Funny how you only look for Black student unions when there are a multitude of them for Asians, Latino, International students, etc.

Bolded reminds me that one of the most active and fun students groups on my college campus was the International Student Association. As an officer in a few groups, I had to work with them a lot and they were some of the nicest and most creative people. They were all from a couple different cultural backgrounds and they always put on events that were about teaching people about their different heritages. It was dope.

 

[akira28]

I don't see how white is any less of cultural identity than black or asian. I say lat them be untill they actually start doing racist things.

some people are lucky enough to have actual ties to an ancestry, without requiring DNA tests and private investigators and centuries old purchase receipts. There is no continental "Asian" culture, since they're groups of cultures with strong home ties. Blacks in America, many of them only have that as their cultural base. And it's a cultural base that has been historically oppressed, suppressed, and attacked outright.

White culture is .... fugazi. A construct to differentiate from the colored people. A level to pass for acceptance into society. A convenience, maybe even a form of branding. An American tool, but whatever it is, it isn't under attack, it doesn't need to be protected. Unless you believe *certain* folks, but they tend to say a lot of other interesting things that I'd like you to hear before you form a complete opinion.

 

[Wiktor]

Im not white but would Irish people seriously feel some kind of common comradery with say.. Russians? 'Hey we're both white'

They have at least one thing in common: love of getting shitfaced drunk.

 

[YoYo Switch]

oh noooo

 

[Wiktor]

it isn't under attack, it doesn't need to be protected..

It sure seems to be attacked heavily in this thread.

 

[akira28]

It sure seems to be attacked heavily in this thread.

A lion with a thorn in it's paw *is* a truly pitiful sight.

If only...someone would take pity on its poor plight.