Xbox One will include TWO AA batteries

Replacing a Dualshock battery really isn't that hard or expensive

http://www.rakuten.com/prod/4-2v-18...controller/219945382.html?listingId=132698366

I've never had a PS3 controller die on me or even be that negatively impacted to be honest battery-wise but I have bought some used ones where replacing the battery made it run like new

Even upgraded the internal battery once for my main controller

That being said I don't care about removable vs non-removable

I want the following

- to be able to charge the controller directly
- low cost

Will never understand why MS charge so much for their controllers given the competition offers a high quality rechargeable battery with theirs
 
Ricky_R said:
What isn't user friendly about plugging a controller to recharge it?
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Not addressing the fact that my DS3's internal pack no longer holds a charge so I need to run a USB cable across the room to the PS3 whenever I turn it (both unsightly and a hazard for other people using the room), with respect to my 360's controller, I only realize the controller batteries have died when I turn my console on (I don't do this every day). If the batteries weren't replaceable, I'd either have to run a cord across to my console so it can charge as I play or I'd need to keep them in a charging cradle (another expense). Swapping out batteries takes seconds - I don't know why you'd prefer a charging cable unless you somehow lack for outlets?

nib95 said:
$20 for something that should be free. As most people have mentioned, controllers rarely die and when they do it's nothing to do with the battery the vast majority of the time. The battery dying excuse is silly. As others have mentioned, SIXAXIS controllers from launch still work fine and with decent battery.
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Man, it's like arguing with a brick wall. Have you read the thread at all? I said my DS3's battery has died. I don't really appreciate having to open it up to replace the battery pack, when much simpler and cheaper options are available, as shown by the 360's approach.
 
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nib95 said:
$20 for something that should be free. As most people have mentioned, controllers rarely die and when they do it's nothing to do with the battery the vast majority of the time. The battery dying excuse is silly. As others have mentioned, SIXAXIS controllers from launch still work fine and with decent battery.
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Neither of my launch PS3 SIXASIS controllers worked for longer than a few hours after a couple years. I also game about 8+ feet away so a long ass cable isn't a good solution. I MUCH rather prefer having the option of popping in some AA's I have (or using rechargeable if I have them available).

With AA, you have a choice. Pay for the kit or use your own. I like choices. I'm surprised you don't.

SwiftDeath said:
So to you the convenience of not having to open up the controller if the built-in battery dies eventually is worth 20 USD?

Pros and cons to both sides

At the end of the day I think it is preference more than anything

I find Sony's approach much better value for money
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And for a few extra bucks I can have Eneloops or the P&C kit, options always outweigh a few bucks for me.
 
luxarific said:
Man, it's like arguing with a brick wall. Have you read the thread at all? I said my DS3's battery has died. I don't really appreciate having to open it up to replace the battery pack, when much simpler and cheaper options are available, as shown by the 360's approach.
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So to you the convenience of not having to open up the controller if the built-in battery dies eventually is worth 20 USD?

Pros and cons to both sides

At the end of the day I think it is preference more than anything

I find Sony's approach much better value for money
 
luxarific said:
Not addressing the fact that my DS3's internal pack no longer holds a charge so I need to run a USB cable across the room to the PS3 whenever I turn it (both unsightly and a hazard for other people using the room), with respect to my 360's controller, I only realize the controller batteries have died when I turn my console on (I don't do this every day). If the batteries weren't replaceable, I'd either have to run a cord across to my console so it can charge as I play or I'd need to keep them in a charging cradle (another expense). Swapping out batteries takes seconds - I don't know why you'd prefer a charging cable unless you somehow lack for outlets?



Man, it's like arguing with a brick wall. Have you read the thread at all? I said my DS3's battery has died. I don't really appreciate having to open it up to replace the battery pack, when much simpler and cheaper options are available, as shown by the 360's approach.
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Well, that is an extremely unlikely thing to happen, much less likely than other parts of the controller dying. Not really good enough to excuse older, lesser and more cumbersome tech. Next people are going to start wanting rechargeable AA batteries for their mobile phones and tablets.

I should also add, lithium ion tech is much better today that it was at the start of this generation, in fact they're experimenting new lithium ion tech that's order of magnitude better. I'm sure even the DS4s lithium ion tech is going to be more advanced than that of the DS3 or SIXAXIS.


At the very LEAST Microsoft should be charging $10-$20 less for their controller than Sony's DS4. Microsoft customers are yet again getting screwed and celebrating it. Guarantee the DS4 has a higher BoM, and that the Lithium Ion battery and touch pad are much costlier than impulse triggers.
 
flyinpiranha said:
With AA, you have a choice. Pay for the kit or use your own. I like choices. I'm surprised you don't.
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Something something mandatory kinect, something something Dark Side


The Ds3 pad only had a 610mAh battery inside it, a typical NIMH battery can be as high as 3000mAh.

Sony have kindly included a 1000mAh battery in the DS4


Hey guys!

MORE MICROSOFT BATTERY RELATED NEWS!

http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_play_and_charge_battery_pack_lasts_about_30_hours.html
 
SwiftDeath said:
So to you the convenience of not having to open up the controller if the built-in battery dies eventually is worth 20 USD?

Pros and cons to both sides

At the end of the day I think it is preference more than anything

I find Sony's approach much better value for money
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I've only ever had to buy my 360 controllers once. I've had to replace my DS3 once already, and assuming I continue to use my PS3 in the future, which seems likely, I'll have to do it again. For me, there's no question that the 360's option for third-party rechargable batteries is much more user friendly, as well as being substantially cheaper.
 
entrement said:
Eneloops for life.
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I love them but I prefer built in batteries and chargers. Always. In the event of a battery failure I can replace the battery in most devices with minimal effort. That's better to me than switching out batteries every few weeks or so.

3+ years of gaming, movies and other stuff with the PS3. Controller lasts several days with long sessions (5+ hours). Anytime I need to recharge... just plug it in and keep going. I will take that over the AA/AAA battery route.
 
Man, I'm glad they didn't stick with batteries for portable consoles. In-built batteries are so much more convenient and easily replaceable on the off chance that they die over their lifetime.

I've still got a Dual Shock 2 that's still going strong after 6 years of heavy use. I've not had any problems with my DS or GBA SP either; I guess I'm just insanely lucky.

I've had 3 play and charge batteries die on me for the 360 controller though; I think they just stick rechargeable batteries in them.
 
flyinpiranha said:
And for a few extra bucks I can have Eneloops or the P&C kit, options always outweigh a few bucks for me.
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But you can open up a dualshock controller with a standard phillips screwdriver and replace the battery for under 10 USD?

Only difference is where the convenience lies not the choices presented to you

Do you want the change the battery on a daily/weekly basis or once every 2 years?

Assuming you have the worst luck with batteries (or really bad charging habits)

I have both a X360 and PS3

Never understood why people care, changing a PS3 battery takes less than 5 minutes and is good for years

luxarific said:
I've only ever had to buy my 360 controllers once. I've had to replace my DS3 once already, and assuming I continue to use my PS3 in the future, which seems likely, I'll have to do it again. For me, there's no question that the 360's option for third-party rechargable batteries is much more user friendly, as well as being substantially cheaper.
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It's only cheaper if you're completing unwilling to change the batteries in a PS3 controller and I don't get that

It's literally taking out 5 or so screws unplugging the battery, plugging in the new battery and putting back the screws

Why is this so hard for people to do once in a controllers life?

Replacement battery is like 5 USD
 
luxarific said:
Not addressing the fact that my DS3's internal pack no longer holds a charge so I need to run a USB cable across the room to the PS3 whenever I turn it (both unsightly and a hazard for other people using the room), with respect to my 360's controller, I only realize the controller batteries have died when I turn my console on (I don't do this every day). If the batteries weren't replaceable, I'd either have to run a cord across to my console so it can charge as I play or I'd need to keep them in a charging cradle (another expense). Swapping out batteries takes seconds - I don't know why you'd prefer a charging cable unless you somehow lack for outlets?
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Aside from the probability that people with dead PS3 controllers due to battery are in the minority, what's really not friendly about plugging a controller to charge the battery like we do with most of our electronics today?
 
EvB said:
Something something mandatory kinect, something something Dark Side
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That's just a dumb comparison. I was talking about choices with batteries, not whatever the vision for MS may be with Kinect. They want it to be included and part of the Xbox, so be it. I don't see how that in any way relates to battery choices for the controller which is the context of this discussion. You may as well bring up that I can't buy it in purple too.

SwiftDeath said:
But you can open up a dualshock controller with a standard phillips screwdriver and replace the battery for under 10 USD?

Only difference is where the convenience lies not the choices presented to you

Do you want the change the battery on a daily/weekly basis or once every 2 years?

Assuming you have the worst luck with batteries (or really bad charging habits)

I have both a X360 and PS3

Never understood why people care, changing a PS3 battery takes less than 5 minutes and is good for years



It's only cheaper if you're completing unwilling to change the batteries in a PS3 controller and I don't get that

It's literally taking out 5 or so screws unplugging the battery, plugging in the new battery and putting back the screws

Why is this so hard for people to do once in a controllers life?

Replacement battery is like 5 USD
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Why should I have to do that? It's not a supported function that I can see on any of Sony's sites and it most likely voids the warranty on anything.

Why is it so hard for you to understand people want options for their controllers and their batteries?

I can use rechargeable AA's in a ton of things I have, RC Remotes, TV Remotes, etc ... this is just another device I can do that for. I like the option.
 
Really loving everything we've seen about this controller so far. Only thing I don't like is the look of the ABXY buttons, but that's a small complaint. Definitely like being able to use it for my PC without buying some peripheral.
 
shinnn said:
Just like a built-in battery in a TV remote controller, right?
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You know, I double and triple checked but I can't see where I said remote controllers should have built in batteries. Someone must've edited my post for me.
/s

Built in batteries make sense for some things. Game controllers isn't one of them, IMO.
 
flyinpiranha said:
Why should I have to do that? It's not a supported function that I can see on any of Sony's sites and it most likely voids the warranty on anything.

Why is it so hard for you to understand people want options for their controllers and their batteries?
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Wow I just realized in this instance for batteries I'm that edge case who just doesn't see the appeal of one of those options (AA batteries as an option)

I just don't value that option so never understood why people argue for it

Always felt MS gave crap value with their controllers

But I suppose as with other things that I care about and others don't there is no real reason why your desire to use non-proprietary rechargeable batteries should be shunted

I just feel it's ingenuous when others have said previously that when a DS3 controller battery goes your only options are to throw it away or plug it into your console forever
 
AA batteries suck for devices that drain them rather quickly. Do you want your smart phone to be powered by AAs, too? Just have to steal some from your alarm clock when your phone is low on juice or buy rechargeables + a battery recharger...


Regarding having to use a cable while playing PS3... no..?
I have two controllers. It's not like I'm having people over every day to play PS3, but why wouldn't you want to own two controllers for local mp (on any console)?!

So I charge the empty controller while playing with the other one wireless. Simple.
 
I'm really surprised by the number of people claiming to prefer AA batteries to an internal rechargeable battery. I've had a PS3 since launch and my first controller just died last week. I've been using a wireless 360 controller for my PC for just over a year, and have to replace batteries in the thing at least every month, maybe 2 months. It's not a huge cost, but compared to what I've spent on the PS3?

SolidusDave said:
Regarding having to use a cable while playing PS3... no..?
I have two controllers. It's not like I'm having people over every day to play PS3, but why wouldn't you want to own two controllers for local mp (on any console)?!

So I charge the empty controller while playing with the other one wireless. Simple.
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Yup. Pretty simple.
 
danielcw said:
In a fit between ps4 and xbone that would be offset by the higher cost for the ps4 controllers built in battery.
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Do you mean the cost of a seperate controller? I was only thinking about whats included with the console. But it shall be interesting to see the price on a seperate PS4 and Xbox One controller :)


danielcw said:
Imho the real plus of built in batteries, is that the charging electronics are customized for it and put less wear on the battery than typical battery-rechargers do.
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How long does rechargeable AA batteries usually last?


goldenpp72 said:
You can buy a pack of eneloops cheap and have no wire at all, and also not be fucked when the battery dies completely. Xbox option is superior for long term.
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If the PS4 controller is anything like the PS3 controller, its rather rare that the battery dies, and it is also possible to change it. Personally i'm more concerned about the wear of the analog sticks than the battery dying.


Generally speaking, i dont see the problem with wired, regardless of which controller it is. If it is a problem for someone, then just charge it at night or whenever you're not playing. Or buy a 2nd controller than is charged and ready to go when the 1st controller's battery needs charging (this might be a more expencive solution, but at least it is a solution if someone really wants to avoid using wires).
 
At this point, MS could put a $20 bill in the box, and people would complain it wasn't two $10 bills. Getting hard to separate out the legitimate complaints and criticisms from the auto-kneejerk snark.
 
nib95 said:
$20 for something that should be free. As most people have mentioned, controllers rarely die and when they do it's nothing to do with the battery the vast majority of the time. The battery dying excuse is silly. As others have mentioned, SIXAXIS controllers from launch still work fine and with decent battery.
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Neither of my PS3 controllers hold a charge for longer than 40 - 60 minutes. I leave them plugged in basically all the time. They're old though, I think I got them in... April of 2008. I'm happy with that life cycle, but ... this is pretty common.
 
SwiftDeath said:
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing+DualShock+3+Battery/3255/1

Not very hard at all
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nib95 said:
I've never had to swap a battery, but I did once open it up to push out a clicked in R1. It's very easy to do and takes but a minute or two.
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You need to master the technique of getting the two plastic pieces at the shoulder buttons to not fall out when reassembling the controller. If you dont do that, it can be a really pain to reassemble the controller. I think i used like 30 minutes to get my PS3 controller back together lol (those two plastic pieces kept falling out every time). But at least it is possible to change the battery in a PS3 controller.

EDIT: Apparently this only applies to the old Sixaxis controllers.
 
test_account said:
You need to master the technique of getting the two plastic pieces at the shoulder buttons to not fall out when reassembling the controller. If you dont do that, it can be a really pain to reassemble the controller. I think i used like 30 minutes to get my PS3 controller back together lol (those two plastic pieces kept falling out every time). But at least it is possible to change the battery in a PS3 controller.
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The new Dualshock 3s holds them much much easier and better than the old SIXAXIS. The older pad has these annoying separate ridges between shoulder buttons that can come off, DS3 doesn't. However if you're careful and only pull away what you need to, you don't have to worry about any of that and it's easy peasy.
 
nib95 said:
It's interesting people are still of the mind set that lithium ions are likely to just die or die out so soon. These things degrade at a very slow rate, in-fact, NiMH rechargeable batteries (like the AA one's used for devices), degrade on average at 4 times the speed.
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First generation Eneloops are rated to retain up to 75% of the their capacity after being stored for 1 year. Second generation, 85%, third generation, 90%. They were pretty accurate in real-life testing. So are you saying lithium ion batteries retain more than 95% of their capacity during the same period? I don't believe that for a second. Considering my iPod Nano gen 2 is shot, my 12 cell laptop battery drains most of its battery after 6 months and my old cellphone that was left off for 18 months lost about 60% of its charge.

Heck, I've treated my batteries poorly at times. I left 6 Eneloops in Rock Band instruments for nearly 3 years. They were shot initially, lasting a few hours during the first charge. But after some number of charge/discharge cycles, they're running as good as new at about 20-30 hours in a 360 controller depending on if it's using rumble or not. That's very similar to what my other 5+ year old Eneloops are performing at. There was an instance that someone plopped in 6+ year old "brand new" batteries and they were effectively as good as new once they were taken through some charge/discharge cycles. These batteries are no slouches and it's obvious why there are so many fans for them. You're looking at an investment of $20 that could last you through two console generations!

I'll say this though, I don't mind lithium-ion batteries that much if they are easily user replaceable like they are in cellphones. What is unfortunate is that there are zero standard sizing and you'll need a different battery for essentially every device. Perhaps it isn't feasible to do so, I don't know, but it sort of sucks that you have to resort to ebay or something to get a battery that may or may not work. Official batteries are priced astronomically high of course.
 
nib95 said:
The new Dualshock 3s holds them much much easier and better than the old SIXAXIS. The older pad has these annoying separate ridges between shoulder buttons that can come off, DS3 doesn't. However if you're careful and only pull away what you need to, you don't have to worry about any of that and it's easy peasy.
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Ah, i didnt know that, thanks for the info :) That is good to know. The controller i tried it on was the old Sixaxis controller. Its good to hear that they changed this, it should be easier to reassemble the controller then indeed.
 
SwiftDeath said:
Replacing a Dualshock battery really isn't that hard or expensive

http://www.rakuten.com/prod/4-2v-18...controller/219945382.html?listingId=132698366

I've never had a PS3 controller die on me or even be that negatively impacted to be honest battery-wise but I have bought some used ones where replacing the battery made it run like new

Even upgraded the internal battery once for my main controller

That being said I don't care about removable vs non-removable

I want the following

- to be able to charge the controller directly
- low cost

Will never understand why MS charge so much for their controllers given the competition offers a high quality rechargeable battery with theirs
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Its not about it being hard .

Its easy to make fun of double a batteries but its about up front costs vs long term costs.

I can buy an xbox one controller for what $65 plus a 4 pack of eneloops and charger for another $20.

Yes that's more than the sony controllers. But I never have to bother with plugging in my controller again.

Its the same with the battery packs they sell.

The ps4 controllers might be as easy to change batteries in as the ps3 ones however i'd still have to buy a new battery and would still have to stop playing a game to switch out the battery in the ps4.


With the one its either put two new aa in or put in a new battery pack. Swapping takes a few seconds .


Long term I'd spend more on ps4 esp if I wanted to be able to swap off quickly.

$60 + 20 for eneloops is $80 or $90 for the plug and play kit right ? With the ps4 you'd need to buy a controller to swap to when one is dead. So it be $60 a pop . I'd be looking at at least $120 per player to have a hot swap.

When looking at it that way the xbox one controller scales better than the ps4 one.


My living room has about 20 feet from the tv to the couch. I could run a cord the whole way and on mono price they are cheap but who wants that ? Esp when I have a few friends over , its just a recipe for disaster .

getting for xbox one controllers at $240 isn't a bad deal. I'd spend about $30 more for an 8 pack of eneloop with charger. Then again another $20 for an 8 pack sans charger so that's $290 for the xbox one.

I'd have to double the controllers on the ps4 to have the same functionality.


Now of course I wouldn't buy 8 ps4 controllers. The most likely scenario is that I have friends bring over theirs. But the solution is still expensive esp if someone comes over with an barely charged one. What do I do then ?
 
danielcw said:
Can you back that up?
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For the X1 in particular? Nope; remains to be seen.
Just saying there's no reason you can't make a controller that charges AA NiMH the same way Logitech mice do, so people who only want to plug it in can do that, and people who want the option to swap can do that, and everybody is happy.

EvB said:
http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_play_and_charge_battery_pack_lasts_about_30_hours.html
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But at the point this exists, it sounds like MS is making it work the same way as the 360, with no charger built into the controller.
That's lame, but it's not the fault of the battery type.
 
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