It won't be. I now fully expect a lower price point and removed Kinect.
Xbox One Will STILL Function if Kinect Isn't Plugged In.
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It won't be. I now fully expect a lower price point and removed Kinect.
gunstarhero
Member
What I'm saying is without the requirement, the potential for a kinect less SKU is a lot more likely.
When and if that happens, we have a fragmented market that devs have to consider when making their games.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
You obviously have a point there but I don't think they have the luxury for such drastic price cuts. Maybe 50$ but not more while keeping the kinect.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Is it really 'tinfoil hat crew' when it's a fact that the nsa were freely spying on people's Skype calls and shit?
Pharaoh 117
Member
Great news! And it looks like a first step for a Kinectless Xbone next year.
BadAss2961
Member
It's been said countless times, but PS3 had complex architecture. Most multiplats were lead-developed on 360... PS4/XB1 share the same architecture, making them directly comparable. PS4 is stronger in every way. Multiplats will run better on it.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
No one is making Kinect games though.
LyleLanley
Banned
I wouldn't expect this for quite a while. Knowing that every user has a Kinect will hopefully push developers to integrate it into their games.
Syphon Filter
Member
We have to wait and see.If the ram rumor is true its not stronger in every way.
gunstarhero
Member
They are. And the ones that are not are including Kinect features.
Come on - if the Kinect is not a pack in, devs will likely ignore it. If it stays a pack in, then we will see devs do more with it. Which could be cool - or not, but it would have been interesting.
BruiserBear
Banned
Except having notably more powerful hardware.
This is the funny little thing so many people seem to not think about.
actually...most people thought the PS4 would be more powerful when it was believe 4gb GDDR5 vs 8gb DDR3....
4/4.5/5/5.5/6gb of GDDR5 is still going to beat out 5gb of DDR3...
Serious questions:
1. Has a console manufacturer EVER made this many public changes to hardware/software post reveal and pre launch?
2. Has a console manufacturer ever flat out LIED to its potential consumers more post reveal and pre launch?
i mean right after launch all we heard was "can't just flip a switch" and "these functions are integral to the console's operation" etc...only to find out..."wellllllll if pre-orders are bad enough, then i guess we can flip that switch after all..."
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Thank...someone. I dunno. That's good news.
grosvenor_92
Member
I just read on article on joystiq about this and now I'm wondering why not just sell kinect separately ? It would help lower the price so Sony doesn't have the upper hand in that department
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Haha, wow, this again! The situation this time around is completely different, and what your're talking about won't happen again. The PS4 has none of the issues the PS3 had that made it difficult for many developers to work with. The PS4 and the XBO are based on the same base architecture, the PS4 just has a more powerful GPU and a better memory setup (higher bandwidth and lower complexity, meaning it will be easier to work with). So you see, what happened this gen simply cannot happen again. PS4 multiplats will be superior (although not necessarily drastically so) to their XBO counterparts with rather little effort from developers, and if all else fails they will at least be as good. Any other scenario simply makes no sense given the hard facts about these machines.
BadAss2961
Member
What RAM rumor?
Syphon Filter
Member
Saw your post history, nevermind.
Justzisguyukno
Member
I haven't been the biggest Xbox fan in the past, but I really hope they don't backtrack on including a Kinect with each system. Its what really makes the system unique and set itself apart from the PS4.
Haha, goddamn. Some of these posts are just downright embarrassing.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
...and a significantly stronger suite of 1st party studios, and a stronger relationship with indie devs, and a subscription service that is actually awesome and gives you a lot of cool shit, and many cool features not hidden behind that subscription paywall in case you don't want to pay for it, and...
Yeah, let's not forget that software and services matters as well.
I'm absolutely loving this downward spiral. It's great watching Microsoft fumble every other week with new revelations and "changes" being made to the Xbone.
All said and done though, I still wouldn't buy one even if it was Kinectless and same price as the PS4 - it's still inferior hardware. Exclusives can't save this trainwreck.
All said and done though, I still wouldn't buy one even if it was Kinectless and same price as the PS4 - it's still inferior hardware. Exclusives can't save this trainwreck.
Some Quack rumour, saying that the Xbone was going to have 12GB of RAM I think.
No paywall is "awesome:. If it sucks that MS charged for MP, the same should apply to Sony.
PS+ should sell on it's merits alone and not forced online.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Keep dreaming.
Syphon Filter
Member
People said the same for drm and even the required kinect. it's happening.
only if they keep Kinect. 399 without Kinect is pointless in the end. The early adopters still know its a bigger weaker PS4.
This has never mattered long term. A $399 model with Kinect is a borderline no brainer even for someone who isn't exactly a fan of Kinect.
this will go down, as one of the most confusing console launches of all time. They've had half a decade to think about how this would go down, focus groups, etc. Honestly these one a whim changes have to make you really think about the future of the Xbox. Microsoft seems to be managed by individuals who have no clue about what it takes to garner market share. Seriously, is everyone from the 360 launch team gone from the company? Microsoft is showing their non-focus, no direction viewpoint with the console. Even the hard-line stance they had on things that consumers disagreed with at least showed that they had this weird plan. Gotta wonder what direction the console takes at any time.
Nope.
statham
Member
They made it clear that won't happen, only games that need it; Rivals, Skype, you can play forza all you want without it.
How is this a downward spiral? There is nothing but positives here. They are actively changing things that people didn't want to make a more appealing console. Their original vision was scrapped, so what? It happens all the time, this has just been more public. In the end, it comes down who can market their product better, and having superior hardware isn't something most casuals care about. Sure it's $100 dollars more, but Microsoft will spin in a way to make it appealing. Even then, they aren't aiming at the casual market for the launch, that's meant for enthusiasts. This is far from a train wreck, even if they had stuck to their original plan it still wouldn't be one.
NullPointer
Member
It certainly *can* happen now, at the very least. Its easier for it to happen if MS wants it to.
Which can be seen as a lack in confidence behind it, which could translate to less dev support? I see the chain of effect here, but it still looks like MS will give Kinect 2.0 the best possible chance to set a good impression.
I still hold to our gentlemen's bet - this thing will launch only with Kinect.
Even if they were going to ditch it I don't think it would happen nearly as quickly, but only after at least a year of data to work with.
BruiserBear
Banned
I understand. I'm probably buying the XB1 this fall, and the PS4 next year.
But when someone says the PS4 has no advantages, it's worth noting it's still more powerful.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yeah, agreed, and I edited my post to better reflect what I meant as you were posting:
...while MS hide basically everything behind theirs. There's not much you can do with an XBO beyond playing offline games if you don't want to pay for XBLG. Just like this past generation MS's policy is to punish you by locking basic features away unless you pay for XBLG, while Sony's is to keep those features free and instead reward you by giving you extra stuff if you do pay for PS+ (the exception being that online play has been moved into it, yeah). Stick vs carrot.
Phire Phox
Banned
i don't recall anyone saying that a drm reversal would never happen
The problem with gimmicks is that many games make some minor shitty use of them, but that is still enough for them being necessary although the actual game would perfectly work without them. Maps on the Wii U GamePad, dirt rubbing and touch QTEs in Uncharted:GA on the Vita, turning of valves with the DS3 in Killzone 3, boosting in Mario Kart Wii (and a honk on the GamePad in Mario Kart 8, lol), etc.
NullPointer
Member
Plenty did. DRM was the inevitable future after all, and Sony was going to do the same thing.
Synless
Member
Not really, in the end it is still the more powerful system.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
i disagree here, valve turning has never been the same
Syphon Filter
Member
We will see ; )
can you blame people for thinking they wouldn't? it was MS themselves that said the policies were at the heart of the console's design and that they could not just "flip a switch"
Especially when some dude shoots you while your DS3 does not react properly. Pure emotion.