digoutyoursoul
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Aswell as games and system, not the sole reason. Ok?
Microsoft: "Its up to us to prove that [Xbox One is] worth $100 more [than PS4]"
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Aswell as games and system, not the sole reason. Ok?
Ok, so if 360 would have priced 499 over 399 of ps3 (or why not the exactly same), would have the same success? Is that you trying to say? It's basically that the point.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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We are existing in a time frame where the TV ads haven't dropped yet. It will be like starting all over again for both companies at that point. Forums like ours won't be all that important like they have been. I could easily see Microsoft achieving their goal if Sony drops the ball with their marketing or gets drowned out by Microsoft's ad dollars. In fact, I think it is what is most likely to happen. In advertising, your information doesn't have to be entirely correct in order to succeed. Remember that.
I never said snap was behind Gold. But snapping a WEB Browser is behind Gold. Good news about the TV stuff but they need to reach media value parity with their competition before they can claim to be the most value in media.
Pound_lb003
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Oh okay, well yeah. I hadn't even considered that. Where are the 4 PS4 games though?
PS+ isn't free.
I think commercials starring Willem Defoe and Ellen Page will be dropping soon which will ultimately put "Playstation" into people's minds.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Look you, my point is there are some here that dismiss the games and online features at the time. I was saying the games and system PLUS the price and release helped a lot. That's all. Yet some fail to mention the games and the way Live was over PSN. How much more clear can I be?
F2P games
Yep. I also liked his reply in the recent devkit thread. Penello is a breath of fresh air after the PR idiots who have been damaging the Xbox brand for the past six months.
Uh? Who? I don't remember any post about this in the thread, honestly. No one has discussed about the quality of 360 line up, online etc. But I don't think at the same price, ps360 would have been the same history, even with the best online, launch line up possible for 360.
Why it isn't worth it
All in one is bullshit, you still need cable, all it is a voice controlled remote
Cannot upgrade Internal HDD, headset input controller isn't standard headphone jack and controller doesn't come with rechargeable batteries
Not only is the system More expensive, but Gold is $10 more expensive than PSN+
Paywall behind apps like Netflix, standard OS features like record and share, and F2P games.
And the biggest thing in my opinion, no competition to Instant Game Collection, we all know how good it was on PS3 and Vita, PS4 is already offering Drive Club Plus, Res0Gun, Don't Starve, Secret Ponchos and another game I forgot, and of course all those F2P games like Planetside 2, DC Universe, Blacklight, Warframe and War Thunder without the need for even a Plus account.
All in one is bullshit, you still need cable, all it is a voice controlled remote
Cannot upgrade Internal HDD, headset input controller isn't standard headphone jack and controller doesn't come with rechargeable batteries
Not only is the system More expensive, but Gold is $10 more expensive than PSN+
Paywall behind apps like Netflix, standard OS features like record and share, and F2P games.
And the biggest thing in my opinion, no competition to Instant Game Collection, we all know how good it was on PS3 and Vita, PS4 is already offering Drive Club Plus, Res0Gun, Don't Starve, Secret Ponchos and another game I forgot, and of course all those F2P games like Planetside 2, DC Universe, Blacklight, Warframe and War Thunder without the need for even a Plus account.
Warframe, War Thunder, DC Online Universe, and Blacklight Retribution as well as Planetside 2 when it drops.
That's without PS+, just paying $400 unlocks ALL media functionality and gets you 4 free games.
If you decide to also pay for PS+, you get access to Driveclub PS+ Edition, and Resogun.
You also get access to games for a discount, such as upgrading Driveclub to the full game probably for less than $40.
Which XBO is still going to have its share of, but they will be behind the paywall. So it's subscribe to play instead of free to play.
CouldBeWorse
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$100 isn't a big deal to early adopters for a typical launch in a vacuum. It won't matter until mid 2014.
But this year, we have two simultaneous launches. Spending $1000 at once is isn't easy for most folks. And when gamers have to make a choice based on largely the same lineups and future promise), that $100 becomes a bigger factor.
But this year, we have two simultaneous launches. Spending $1000 at once is isn't easy for most folks. And when gamers have to make a choice based on largely the same lineups and future promise), that $100 becomes a bigger factor.
Pound_lb003
Member
Lol... Maybe Sony should be shouting about that. I didn't even do the math.
3rdamention
Member
I think he means the F2P Games on PS4 aren't behind a paywall (DCUO, Warframe, Planetside 2, Warthunder) and you can use your own media streamer from your PC and Netflix as well without paying for PS Plus (Xbox One hides it behind XBLG)..
Also, The Play Room is a small app preinstalled that you can try out the camera features as well as a suite of mini games (if you buy the optional camera).
EDIT: Beaten
Did you expect free cable with your XBLG subscription? If you mean you still need a cable box that remains to be seen and is going to depend on your provider.
digoutyoursoul
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The guy who I was replying to before you got involved failed to mention it and i was just making the point. Ive seen it in NPD threads and sales discussions in the past.
Actually the GameSpot website redirects you to the local site automatically. The actual writer of the article is based in America:
So much for Europe having it in for MS, eh?
digoutyoursoul
Member
To me it's interesting MS hasn't announced any Games with Gold stuff for Xbox One (sorry if wrong) whilst Sony has announced it's launch PS+ line up with the likes of Drive Club.
This is the fact. One will sell out at launch and be limited and selling well until next year when they can adjust price or add value. They already added $60 value with a pack in game in EU and will probably add one for NA. Making the price difference $40 for a lot of people
Oh and they asked Albert for his opinion... its an opinion and many happen to agree with him and we will see that in Sales.
Prediction First 6 mos NPD Sales volume
Ps4 48%
One 52%
WW of course will go to Sony but I think Ms will take that for first year at +$100
hydrophilic attack
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OK, so not only Internet forums and websites: Now you are accusing a geographical area with more than half a billion very different people of having teh bias.
Good show
I hope I'm not getting trolled here.
Well, I think the main reason of 360 success was more the price launch over everything. I bet at the same price, probably sony would have dominate again this generation.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Ok fair enough, to each his own. Your opinion, I respect that.
slicedmass
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its funny. I wanted to stay in the Microsoft eco-system because in the current gen its so much superior when you consider the online play (as far as chat/partying) but I am going PS4 and the only way im getting an xbox is if it has extremely compelling games and the price drops significantly which basically requires the kinect to be dumped. I do realize the online functionality of both is becoming on par due to zero hardware limitation and Sony's promise and them showing they are kicking it up more then a notch as far as the online experience. I'm also happy to pay a monthly fee for it, I want them to keep improving the experience rather than let it stagnate.
statham
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KAL2006, only posts the negatives of one consoles and the positives of the other.
Not a chance. If we've learned anything about consoles, the cheapest console with the best selection of games wins especially in America. Price and value is king. That $100 is going to make a hell of a difference this holiday season and the sales will show.
dearodie
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How me not buying one helps 'prove' the value proposition.
I want to have my breath taken away with tangible value. He does not even try and thus fails miserably to entice any potential buyers.
As it is, I am certainly not buying one.
krypt0nian
Banned
Oh if you're going to dream, dream way bigger than that!
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
I have a feeling no matter what MS does, people on web site message boards aren't going to have their breaths taken away. It's already too cool to hate the X1 like COD.
I'm on team excited for the X1 release.
PrivateWHudson
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Xbox One won't be all-in-one until you can add a cable card and use it as a DVR. At that point, I'll buy one abd plug my PS4 into the hdmi port.
SEGAvangelist
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Wii U wins?
Killing_Joke
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Not a fan of the system or the direction, but $499 honestly isn't that bad of a price. It is a decent piece of tech. I just don't think there's a market for what they're shooting for.
But depending on sales i expect a price drop by the summer.
But depending on sales i expect a price drop by the summer.
SEGAvangelist
Member
So if you plug a PS4 into an Xbox One will you get notifications for both consoles at once? Hurts my brain just thinking about it.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Yeah...well... good luck with that. Its $100 more for a weaker system. Now, the power isn't the biggest issue in the world.. until you factor in the price difference and then remember XBL costs. MS shot too high with that price. =/
Iacobellis
Junior Member
PS4 has a more appealing launch lineup to me than what Microsoft is offering. The way you worded your statement implies the Xbox One has the better launch titles, which is merely opinion.
blitzcloud
Banned
PS4 is 20% cheaper than XB1
XB1 is 25% more expensive than PS4.
That's pretty big.
XB1 is 25% more expensive than PS4.
That's pretty big.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
$450 vs. $560 here in the states.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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PS4 is 29% cheaper to access media functions.
XB1 is 40% more expensive than PS4 to access media functions.
That's even bigger.
When they drone on and on about their "all in one entertainment system", you really need to take this difference into account as a generic customer who doesn't care about online multiplayer.
I don't get this mentality where people have to go out of their way, almost like a day job, to devalue other players opinions of games, consoles etc ?? It boggles the mind. You like a console and it's features, great enjoy it. 'What?! You don't like my console? How dare you!' *shakes fist*
Iacobellis
Junior Member
All we need is a new "$1200" statement.
disastermouse
Banned
Sony had more expensive hardware and somewhat justifiably believed in Cell. They hadn't released a peripheral with Cell technology, hyped it, had it fizzle, and then hyped version 2.0 in the PS3.