m.i.s.
Banned
Source: MCV via VideoGamer
Sony: we have no idea what we're doing in respect of handhelds.
Addendum: we continue to have no idea but will continue to do what we previously did anyway.
Sony: Vita was designed for a different world, but changes are afoot
- Thread starter m.i.s.
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Source: MCV via VideoGamer
Sony: we have no idea what we're doing in respect of handhelds.
Addendum: we continue to have no idea but will continue to do what we previously did anyway.
Infernal Monkey
Member
Sounds like physical retail games for the Vita are even more doomed in the West. I love those little blue cases so much. 
NinjaBoiX
Member
I was thinking this the other day, an HDMI out would be amazing!
pauljeremiah
Gold Member
this.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I admire the honesty, but if anything it highlights how poorly Sony understand the (handheld) market.
Why during the design process of the PSVita didn't they realise what market it was releasing into, because it was very obvious where it was going. The PSVita has only been on the market less than two years, smartphones and tablets were already hugely popular.
Didn't they learn anything from the PSPGo?
Why during the design process of the PSVita didn't they realise what market it was releasing into, because it was very obvious where it was going. The PSVita has only been on the market less than two years, smartphones and tablets were already hugely popular.
Didn't they learn anything from the PSPGo?
I bought my Vita on launch day and I'm yet to regret it. I think the Vita is a fantastic machine with tons of great games on it, anyone saying that the Vita lacks games is wrong.
And even though I love the promises of Remote Play and thousands (okay, maybe not that many) indie titles on the way, I wish Sony would support the Vita with more first party games. I love indie games, but I want the big blockbusters that was promised when the Vita vas announced.
And even though I love the promises of Remote Play and thousands (okay, maybe not that many) indie titles on the way, I wish Sony would support the Vita with more first party games. I love indie games, but I want the big blockbusters that was promised when the Vita vas announced.
So was it designed for a world where people buy hardware because it is shiny and not because of the software?
Had Sony supported the Vita and not relied on third parties to carry Vita alone they would not need to make this excuses now (I'm not saying Vita has no games, but Sony's support has been lacklustre, to say the least).
Had Sony supported the Vita and not relied on third parties to carry Vita alone they would not need to make this excuses now (I'm not saying Vita has no games, but Sony's support has been lacklustre, to say the least).
gigantor21
Member
It also needed a price-cut on both the system and the memory. It got both, but the latter is still way too expensive. That's a comparison that hurts its value proposition compared to smartphones/tablets in a big way, especially when Sony is pushing digital content so much along with phone/tablet games via Playstation Mobile.
Nothing BS about that, at least.
Not to mention how Nintendo was forced to do their own big ass pricecut to regain their footing. There was plenty of evidence around that should've told them their prices were too high well in advance--especially when the company makes smartphones and tablets themselves.
sign.
Americanmushroom
Banned
There's plenty of games. That's not the issue.
I sell tablets for a living and you don't know how much i sell per day for kids it's crazy. Parents come and say: my kid is always plaing on my iphone , i want a tablet so he leaves my phone alone. Free games (with micro transactions) is what the vita needs... and general people aren't aware of all the games on PSN. That's also why Nintendo revealed the 2DS, just to get that cheap tablet public...
Vita should have started with a deal with google or something and have Android on it but with those extra AAA games as a bonus.
And Memory Cards that are priced competitively.
Route 1:
More games is coming to PS Vita.
Indies are great, but not only indies. More high-quility flagship titles like KZ:M and Tearaway, Gravity Rush would be fantastic. More support from third party if available, especially great titles.
Route 2:
PS4's powerful sidekick
Not only remote control. Fully playable when outside, using Wi-Fi to connect to PS4 in home. Give command to PS4 when not in home. Something like that.
More games is coming to PS Vita.
Indies are great, but not only indies. More high-quility flagship titles like KZ:M and Tearaway, Gravity Rush would be fantastic. More support from third party if available, especially great titles.
Route 2:
PS4's powerful sidekick
Not only remote control. Fully playable when outside, using Wi-Fi to connect to PS4 in home. Give command to PS4 when not in home. Something like that.
Projectjustice
Banned
Ship every Vita with a 16gb memory card. Problem solved.
I'd buy a VitaBox.
YianGaruga
Banned
If you had PS+ for a while and continue to subscribe to it, the Vita has a good value proposition after the pricedrop. Prices in Germany are at 169 for the base model right now and I just bought a Vita + 8GB + Mega Pack for 179. I already have like 15 games for it through PS+, so that's a steal, imo.
With a few more high profile game announcements, I think the Vita could make a nice comeback.
With a few more high profile game announcements, I think the Vita could make a nice comeback.
maplelord93
Banned
why did you release it in the first place then?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
The contrast between the Sony who have continually failed to turn around the fortunes of the Vita and the Sony who have been so clear and consistent with the PS4 never ceases to amaze me.
A Vita with HDMI output and compability with DS4 for doing remote play in TV will be cool. It will truly be a PS4 in your pocket. Imagine going (for example) to a hotel and being able to play in your room's TV every game you want. It would be amazing.
Although, I think the Vita is a fairly good deal. There are more than enoughs game to keep you entertained for a long time, PS+ is awesome and a good way to increase Vita's value, IMO that most indies fit better in a portable device, the Japanese games flow the PSP has already started (with Ateliers, Toukiden, Danganropa...) and Sony will deliver a decent first party output if people shows there is some interest in the console.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Indeed.
It's like two entirely different companies with different approaches and methodologies.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
I blame Iwata. He's so bad it's spilling over onto competitors systems!
Tizoc
Member
It already has dozens of games due to release all the way through 2014.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Is this based on any statements of just a hunch?
KimonoNoNo
Member
I get the feeling that Vita was Sony Japan's baby.
Whereas SCEA and to a lesser extent SCEE think of it as a distraction.
Whereas SCEA and to a lesser extent SCEE think of it as a distraction.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Sony designed it for a world where lots of people would pay £80 for a 32gb memory card that couldn't be used for anything but vita
Basically they designed it for a world that never existed
Basically they designed it for a world that never existed
They did partly, which is why they came up with PS Suite, now PS Mobile.
In usual Sony fashion though, great idea, poor execution.
It looked a little better with SE's RPG and Tokyo Jungle releasing on it but it's a little too late.
SCEA sucks at selling handhelds. It is that simple. SCEJ and SCEE both managed to find a market for the PSP for instance, it is not surprising they'd be the ones to pull the Vita.
Senor Kami
Banned
A tale of two Sony's. One is willing to adapt to change and alter things based off of the market and customer demands. The other says that adapting to changes and altering things based off of the market and customer demands means you're lost, confused, and don't know what you're doing.
What I've never understood is why people think the Vita can take the phone/tablet market. Everyone already has a phone, and people too young for them will be far more likely to buy a 3DS. Why would someone spend $200 + ~$20 to play games they already have on their cell phones and tablets?
3DS is doing pretty well. But thats because Nintendo pumps out tons of games. This year we had Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Mario & Luigi Dream Team, etc. Not only that but exclusives like Pokemon XY, Sonic Lost World, Super Smash Brothers, and other games are coming up.
Sony needs to bring out more games, plain and simple. And I don't mean Playstation 3 ports with long load times. I mean games designed ground up for the Vita. Tearaway and KZ are two great examples.
Sony needs to bring out more games, plain and simple. And I don't mean Playstation 3 ports with long load times. I mean games designed ground up for the Vita. Tearaway and KZ are two great examples.
RukusProvider
Banned
Gotta love pr talk "maybe struggled a bit..."
Price cut will be a temp blip. It's still dead in the west and a failure.
Price cut will be a temp blip. It's still dead in the west and a failure.
It's just based on how I've seen them support the device. I think SCE in Japan wanted a handheld because that's where the market is. I don't know what SCE in Europe is doing because PSP seems reasonably successful there. I do not SCEA probably has the most direct experience with the "handheld transformation" and I doubt they suddenly became interested in launching that device in this market.
Big studios from the other regions are supporting it, even if they are alternate teams. I'm not really sure you can say the same about SCEA.
LiquidSolid
Member
Possibly. SCEE are the ones that first went after indies first with Minis and then they successfully managed to rebrand the PSP as a device for kids instead of 18-30 year olds. Whereas SCEA just sat on their asses watching while the PSP died in the US. No surprise why House got promoted and Tretton didn't.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Honestly I think a PSPgo 2 would be doing fair better on the market than the vita is currently. The Pspgo's problem was that it was ahead of its time an provided no incentive to people already invested in the platform to upgrade.
While a digital only console is at least another generation away, I think a digital only handheld (with a reasonable pricing structure) can take off now.
the comment about £20, £30, £40 software makes me think we'll see either them stop bringing 'big' games to the platform, to be replaced with cheaper indie and freemium stuff, or they'll bring mid-range stuff like tearaway - kind of Sony's own indie content if you like. So exclusive but less expensive to produce.
in terms of niche though, personally I'd be fairly happy with a remote play + indies machine.
in terms of niche though, personally I'd be fairly happy with a remote play + indies machine.