So when does MS have to be "ready"? When Sony is? MS have their own metrics and gave a November release target way before Sony mentioned anything. MS keep giving hardware boosts that fly in the face of any yield issues they supposedly have/had. If they release later than November, that is a sign of them being not ready. Anything else is trying to fuel the console warz.
150Mhz CPU boost on XBO, now in production
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tensuke
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Not between PS4/Xbone at this stage. A 3.2GHz Jaguar (I know I know...) vs. 1.6GHz would certainly have been quite different. 1.75GHz vs. 1.6GHz isn't. The thing is, they're both 8-core CPUs with relatively low clockspeeds, so games are optimized for core-count rather than CPU frequency. Because the CPUs are both around the same speed, and have 8-cores, slightly extra speeds don't give you as much gain as they would in a single, dual, or even quad core setup. This depends on how the game utilizes its threading and whether it depends more on CPU or GPU, of course. And any boost is better than no boost, and so there will be benefits--but they won't really be noticeable improvements to games. Rather, it should do more to help combat stability issues (like not dipping below 30fps), but how much it will really help is anyone's guess.
PS4's GPU advantage should alleviate any differences stemming from the 150MHz difference (if 1.75 and 1.6, and if any game differences exist). The increased GPGPU capabilities of the PS4 have already shown that they are quite capable to perform a number of tasks.
Modern chips do run circles around the ps360's CPUs, but of course despite the clockspeed similarities, you have massive architectural differences between Intel/AMD CPUs today and the CELL/PPC used in ps360.
That's ridiculous, how do you know they haven't been stress testing it for months?
SneakyStephan
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I'd argue it's an extreme choice
an i5 4670k is 3x faster stock and only consumes 65W, a small underclock allowing to lower the voltage would result in even less power consumption.
They could've gone for that or anything in between but instead they went for the lowest of low end solutions.
And diablos stop, you sound like a fanboy.
A cpu overclock does help on pc, noticable increases in minimum fps in games like arma, total war, starcraft 2 , natural selection 2, battlefield 3 , planetside 2 since all of them are heavily cpu bound.
Console ports are rarely cpu bound because they are designed for the old console cpus... they had to gimp the game design/persistence/simulation of the game to work on these ancient things.
Natural selection 2 can and will never exist on ps3/360 because the cpus aren't powerful enough, there are games , mechanics and ideas that will never make it to ps4/xbox1 because of the slow cpus so I welcome any increase on that front.
You can have a look at the higher clocked A6 (Kabini) here - http://adrenaline.uol.com.br/biblioteca/analise/784/amd-a6-5200-kabini.html?pg=05
Compare the CPU based results in gaming (not using the IGP) and see yourself.
malboroking
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No, by all means, go into details. Please explain to me the meaning behind what you plagiarized. What do all those words and numbers mean?
Quadraphonic
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But they are releasing later in a lot of countries because a lot of aspects of their device aren't ready for those countries.
Thanks
Can someone point me to anyone getting excited because I haven't seen a single poster getting "excited"
This us just good news because it means things are progressing and that the downclock rumours were complete fabrication
Which is not unheard of. Just because Sony is launching in more countries doesn't mean MS is not ready.
Sony aren't even releasing in their own country the one they normally serve first, does this mean they are not ready?
AFAIK, there was no downclock rumor from Cboat.
Well, they aren't ready in 19 countries
Mass Effect
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lol, what? How do you know? They haven't even announced a date for Japan yet.
Source.
Both Sony and Microsoft are global companies, they have no "their" country.
sickamore007
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CPU boost helps certain games run fine in some specific features you can alter the game to allow the cpu to run certain task and leave out the more complex stuff for the gpu. Right now i run a o clock qaud core processor on my pc to give me some decent performs in gaming. Gpu boosting will allow you to get some extra frame rates to enjoy your game at optimal level.
FlutterPuffs
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Yeah, they weren't. He just gave a nod to the rumor that there was just a yielding problem.
Also even if there were a yielding problem, it doesn't mean that it affected the CPU, so it could still be true. It could be other things. The esram for instance.
They want to beat the Xbox One in the US and European markets, which has far and away proven to be more profitable. The Japanese market is probably considered a sure win scenario, so it could be a little later than what they usually do.
Quadraphonic
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You mean Sony hasn't had a press conference yet in Japan to announce it.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/japan_ps4_release_date_could_be_announced_at_tokyo_game_show_2.html
TGS is soon. THAT'S when you'll find out if it makes 2013 or not.
It'd be disingenuous to announce specific Japan details at American and European events.
Windom Earle
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Oh MS, why not include better hardware from the start instead of last minute desperation upclocks? The whole Xbone launch phase couldn't have been more entertaining if they tried!
Whiteshirt
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They're reallocating units to regions where there is actual competition.
They also not the company who has pulled launches under the guise of "xxxxx being not ready". They're also not the company who is literally launching 3/4 of their features after launch.
Or, you know, 28fps to 30.
That you are even talking about your Intel CPU and emulating Wii games with Dolphin is making me scratch my head. That simply isn't practical for what we would expect this type of gain to do for software coded for its intended platform. And that is all this is for. +150MHz CPU, +53MHz GPU for Xbox One games for an Xbox One system. Period. No software title to my knowledge will be emulating Wii code on Xbone
You're missing the point entirely. The reason Dolphin was mentioned was an example of something requiring more CPU power. Just like some games require more from your CPU, depending on the load and what they're doing. There are recent RTS games and FPS games (one I've mentioned - Planetside 2) that require a VERY beefy CPU to keep up, with less emphasis on the GPU than other titles (of which I also listed an example - Crysis). Each game demands different things than other games, depending on its type, scope, and what's happening on screen. In some cases, a more powerful GPU will help more. In other cases, a more powerful CPU will help more. Yes we're talking a barely-there increase in this thread. But it's a net positive for what's already a weak CPU.
Nothing is coded to any metal anymore. This saying really needs to die in a fire. Its benefits were already vastly overstated to begin with.
No, it's not essentially nothing. It's essential something, just not very much of something. It's a positive.
Nothing's going to be as bad as 580p without even so much as blurry post AA, sure. I agree with that. But people are going to start getting pissed when they see some games at 720p/30. It isn't going to take long. It's not laziness at all. Developers are the opposite of lazy the majority of the time. It's a choice that is made to maximize eye candy. There is no platform (except PC) where you can have a consistent resolution and framerate to your liking. On the consoles, developers choose the priorities. Not you. And as you've seen, many of them prefer eye candy to the behest of literally everything else. This will continue no matter the console.
There is nobody here that I am aware of stating that the Xbone is the better spec'd machine, especially on the GPU side. However, if the Sony Jaguar is at 1.6ghz and the MS Jaguar is at 1.75ghz, which one is better? It's a small net positive. That's all this is,.
No, I don't get to tell you anything. But it's worth repeating that if you're this invested in the difference between 2 consoles, it's probably best you invest more into the rig you're sporting. There are GPUs releasing that offer double the raw performance of the console for aroundt the same price, for example. A 2tf difference is a lot more than a 500gf difference (hence what seems like hypocrisy here). If you want the best framerates/IQ/etc as you've been saying, you're in second place purchasing these things already before the consoles even release.
As always (for me at least) purchasing the consoles is a way into their ecosystem for first party platform exclusives that interest me, and not which one performs a slight bit better than the other.
I said upstream in this thread then if and when there is book released (like they did for the 360) on the design backstory of the Xbone, it's going to be one interesting read.
ethomaz
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The expectations are for late December... Sony will have a press conference before TGS next monday where they will announce the date.
Sure they said they were delaying a release in Japan to concentrate on the markets they wanted to fight in, pretty much the same as MS's strategy as far as I can see
professor_t
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I'm in a similar boat, only I can afford both consoles. Even though there are fewer of them, I actually prefer Microsoft's big exclusives (Halo-Forza-Titanfall-Gears, if it ever reappears) over Sony's big exclusives (Killzone-Uncharted-GodofWar-Gran Turismo).
However, I think one of the things that really thwarted my enjoyment of Sony's titles was their controller. It may seem like an insignificant quibble, but it's actually a very big deal for me. From the sound of things, that will no longer be as much of an issue, and Sony's console is looking more attractive by the day.
Unfortunately, no matter how you add it up, I can't live without Halo. It's just that simple. And I'm much more interested in the Xbox's launch lineup.
Chobel
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It's not a "overclock" just a minimal (very very small) boost.
You don't have to change the hardware, or something.
Please. An overall <200MHz system clock gain is insignificant. In laymens terms we are talking off the shelf PC parts in consoles with some added optimizations here, one system (PS4) having the edge over the other. This isn't anything groundbreaking. Oh wow, look, this game that is poorly coded by idiot/lazy devs that would have been running at 26fps is now running at 28. How exciting!
That you are even talking about your Intel CPU and emulating Wii games with Dolphin is making me scratch my head. That simply isn't practical for what we would expect this type of gain to do for software coded for its intended platform. And that is all this is for. +150MHz CPU, +53MHz GPU for Xbox One games for an Xbox One system. Period. No software title to my knowledge will be emulating Wii code on Xbone
I have no warrior mentality, it's just absolutely crushing to see so many people getting excited over what is essentially nothing.
I'm so glad you are confident that devs are going to arbitrarily make games run like shit across the board this generation; I expect some setbacks early on, absolutely, but the hardware for both platforms is capable enough to keep it from getting as bad as we saw on PS360. There will still be games that play terribly, but I do not think it will be nearly as bad as last gen. Not even close. And frankly even if devs do get lazy the hardware is powerful enough (and easier to code for) to prevent letting performance completely sink into the abyss like last time. Should be easier to find a happy medium, especially since multiplat stuff will basically be at near parity if not 100%.
And yes given the reactions of various people here it is as though they have been mislead to believe Xbone's CPU and GPU performance now have a real edge on PS4's stronger suits somehow. So for you to shrug your shoulders and say "who cares" is kind of wrong. MS is bloating the capabilities of their console in hopes of making it look better than its rival on paper to those who are not as familiar with hardware specs beyond things like GHz, hard drive, and memory. It, at best, keeps the Xbone's capabilities exactly the same with a barely noticable fps boost should it seriously dip in certain games. That's it.
Yes it is generally positive news but not so positive that it warrants all this excitement. It's not that big of a deal, at all.
Also it is invalid to count me out from being the least bit interested in next-gen hardware. Sony has a considerable gain over MS in hardware; that has not changed with the recent changes in MS hardware, no matter how positive. I'm not upgrading my rig and you don't get to tell me how much I should or shouldn't care about different platforms.
I disagree. Obviously it is a big deal. To all of the trolls that descended up on a positive X1 thread to spread negativity, FUD and generally turn it into the shit show you're witnessing now. Had it truly been so insignificant , they wouldn't have even bothered to come into the thread at all to piss in everyone's cornflakes. Yet they simply couldn't help themselves now could they? They are the ones who are the most excited about this little development from what i am seeing.
You can say it as many times as you want. It will always be a meaningless bullshit phrase that gets thrown out by certain individuals here when they get called on their bullshit. This is a game forum, who's supposedly being "persecuted" exactly?
Also who said anything about a fucking "hivemind"? I never said "Gaf" nor "hivemind" anywhere in my post nor implied it. I specifically said the word "TROLLS" though. Since it's always the same ones in every thread and that's who i am referring to.
I feel like I say this all the time but holy persecution complex.
People are here because it's news about one of the consoles and everyone is excited.
Stop acting like GAF is some crazy hivemind and we all received text-messages at the same time to come in this thread and "shit" it up.
Get real dude.
blitzcloud
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Sorry but saying something like this is just ignorant and completely wrong. Natural Selection 2 could easily be done on consoles, you'd just have to optimize it for further multithreading. NS2 is poorly coded and inefficient when it comes to using the CPU, hence the CPU bottleneck.
With all the extra cus to help the CPU in the PS4 it's not like this is suddenly an advantage for Microsoft. It's to help ease any performance impact from overhead. It's great but it's not suddenly 1.75 > 1.6 unless the games aren't leveraging the system, and even then the difference wouldn't be much more than a frame or two if the CPU was the issue and the Cus were being left completely untouched.
blitzcloud
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which is essentially why many PC ports suck in performance too. We have like top of the line cpus but they rarely really code for multithread. That's why an overclock is so useful, because you give it raw power to process with a single core.
That's why people get really surprised when a port gets to be like DmC.
i second this. there's nothing wrong with MS giving the CPU and GPU a little boost before it's too late. sure, it may serve more of a marketing purpose but we benefit regardless. seeing a lot of defensive posts out there...
They both want to fit in a 100W envelope, there are eight cores and a GPU with a TDP approaching 100W. I suppose the One has more thermal headroom with that oversized cooler and a smaller GPU.
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