What's your point?
Naked peeping tom in critical condition after beatdown by victim's family.
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What's your point?
Do you think committing an illegal act of vigilantism and getting thrown in jail is an appropriate way to protect your children?
Unless you actually have children, you can't even begin to explain the lengths to protect them.
How are you going to protect them from jail?
Even if you can or can't explain why this guy went so far, that doesn't make what he did right.
Jesus, I go to sleep to "murder" , "murderer", "murderous rampage" comments and wake up to "death sentence". No one fucking died...no one. No one is going to die, can we quit with this nonsense? They even say "when he gets better..." they will charge him, so they fully expect him to recover.
And how exactly do you determine a sufficient beat down? People can die from a single punch, or they can take a hundred blows and walk away, I've witnessed both first hand. Either you think there shouldn't have been a single punch thrown or it is what it is and you deal with how it turned out.
If the father gets convicted at all it will be because of his past transgressions. No jury in their right mind will convict a father beating the shit out of Peeping Tom. Now, if he died that's another story, but we aren't there yet, so let's chill with that and worry about "could have" when it happens.
All you would be doing is selfishly satiating your own bloodlust. If you really cared about protecting your children you would contain yourself instead of committing assault and battery and potentially getting thrown in prison.
SolidSnakex
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The father isn't in jail. The article states that he was charged but not arrested. As Slayven said, that speaks volumes. What's also interesting is this
And that came from an officer. They don't want to put that father in jail.
Just like the guy in the article..
Who abused his children... He has a history of abuse and violence. He deserves to be in jail.
Any fucktard who supports vigilantism and goes through with it should be jailed.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
The father has a criminal history for child abuse and domestic violence. He wasn't so much protecting them as he was satisfying his sick, violent instincts.
^^^ Not saying you're wrong, but we're jumping at conclusions anyhow.
I think the father's position is understandable from an emotional point of view.
I don't think that makes it right, though.
Also given the history of child abuse and domestic violence he has, it seems like the man has some problems dealing with anger, which gives the story kind of a darker shade of gray.
As for the pervert, sounds like he should spend some time in a mental institute or something (assuming he gets out of the hospital by the front door).
I think the father's position is understandable from an emotional point of view.
I don't think that makes it right, though.
Also given the history of child abuse and domestic violence he has, it seems like the man has some problems dealing with anger, which gives the story kind of a darker shade of gray.
As for the pervert, sounds like he should spend some time in a mental institute or something (assuming he gets out of the hospital by the front door).
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I guess thats better than hearing another kid has been raped and killed.
He wasn't protecting or defending anyone, He chased down a fleeing man and put him in critical condition. It would be a miscarriage of justice and endorsement of vigilantism if he is not convicted and punished.
SolidSnakex
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He wouldn't be the first guy or the last guy that got off or never saw jail time after beating/killing someone trespassing on their property. The fact that children are involved will make it all the more easier for him to get off.
The original article stated that "the alleged prowler is now at UNMH in critical, unstable condition." and that the confrontation was very bloody. Just because the guy didn't eventually die doesn't mean he couldn't die if he wasn't taken to the hospital.
Yes, the US's vigilante culture is shameful. See "stand your ground" laws ect.
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DiipuSurotu
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A peeping tom who MIGHT have become a rapist vs. a father who ACTUALLY has abused his own children.
Both are terrible pieces of shit.
Both are terrible pieces of shit.
dark_chris
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Alright, chase off some dude jerking off to your 12 and 13 year old daughters. What is to stop him from doing it to others or you again but maybe think about doin more than just peeping?
I woulda beat this dude. Teach others a lesson that it's not ok to peep and fap at kids.
Ideally, the law.
Or the next peeping tom can jerk off (or maybe more) in peace now that you're in jail.
Jail?
Colonel Mustard
Banned
If I caught a naked man staring at my children through the window at night?
Bullet, meet skull.
Bullet, meet skull.
Colonel Mustard, meet your cellmate.
The logic that some of you wish to apply to this situation is beyond retarded. I know you're not saying you condone the perverts actions, and that what he did was right, but you should at least be showing a bit more support for the guy who has, most likely, put a stop to the sickos ways. Again, if you had children, you might understand where parentGAF is coming from but...yeah. I'm shocked.
The Technomancer
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Hell, I don't even think that what the father did was that un-understandable. I just don't think that that means it was right. There is a distinction.
Wonder what would traumatise your kids more, the thought of someone staring at them through a window while they slept or witnessing their father shoot someone in the head and spending a good portion of their lives in jail.
I don't have much sympathy for the guy but then i wouldn't have much sympathy for the other three if they went to jail for beating the shit out of him either. You need to be aware that your actions might have certain consequences even if your acting in the heat of the moment.
But his method and history show the violence was more important to him than the protection.
I like to solve my problems without violence.
You can. Maybe I cannot explain what your lengths/methods are, and how you change when you enter parenthood, but that has no place in this argument.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Is that all that matters to you? I'm asking this as an honest question: would you be literally alright with anything they did to the guy? Where does your particular line of "too far" stop? Torture?
Some people thought the only appropriate reaction to Breivik's massacre was death row, a lot of others are happy with Norway's approach.
Different people have different ideas of justice, without it meaning they're "XYZ defence force".
You are projecting alot.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
So someone can't be rehabilitated and living a law abiding life? He was sitting at home waiting for someone to beat half to death?
Justice has been done. Nothing else needs to happen.
And yet I'm having people jump down my throat because I'd happily beat the shit out of a guy for perving on my daughter? It really is a one way street with some of you people, isn't it? You claim different people have different ideas of justice. Fine, fair enough. I accept that you're personal idea of justice would be to call the cops. I believe - and again, this is MY personal opinion, much like how you have yours - that a father, not just necessarily the father in this story, has the paternal right to beat the shit out of someone if it means protecting his children.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Not what I'm talking about. In the moment, when they were pursuing him to beat him down, what would you have felt was them "doing too much"?
Colonel Mustard
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I live in West Virginia. The likelihood of this happening is nil. In fact, seeing this happen before, the father was given a year of unsupervised probation.
Though, I'll drop the head shot extreme. An ass/back full of buckshot will work nicely.
and a beer for you as well, sirsir
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
well, i dont necessarily agree with the excessive force they used. they should have just subdued him and waited for the police, not making sure his organs failed
and lol @ people who would kill someone for peeping. you think your kids are going to appreciate having a father convicted of murder in jail?
and lol @ people who would kill someone for peeping. you think your kids are going to appreciate having a father convicted of murder in jail?
My argument from the beginning hasn't just been in relation to this event directly, I've been talking about a fathers rights, in general, when it comes to defending his family. In this instance, I'd say outright killing him would be a stretch too far as nobody has the right to claim the life of another person. I would say that beating the crap out of him IS justified, though, as it's hopefully going to knock some sense in to the perverts head.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
And I would argue that if you beat someone so badly they're in critical condition its just a hairs breath away from killing them. The person inflicting the beating certainly doesn't know that they're going to survive. It looks like he is going to, but thats knowledge after the fact.
They didn't just punch him a couple times and then kick him on the ground before tying him up for the cops to pick up.
I didn't jump at anyone's throat, i'm not responsible for what other people (even if in the ball park of what is my point of view) say in the thread.
I understand the more "vigilante" point of view, even if i don't think it's the right way to go about it.
As i said in my first post in this thread: i understand their reaction from an emotional point of view, but i don't condone their actions.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
This is exactly where I'm at.
But if he survives, and there's every chance he could, he now knows that if you fuck around with someones daughter like that, you WILL have the shit beaten out of you. Again, it comes down to what you said - everyone has their own ideas of justice. You have yours, I have mine. Let's leave it that before this becomes uncivil.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Sure. I just get very very nervous the less cleanly justice is defined. The way things work in a current legal context is flawed but serviceable, but when we start even blurring those definitions then I start to worry
You don't get to have a personal opinion on this. This was not self-defense, the perv was fleeing. You simply do not have the right to beat someone within an inch of his life. You don't get to make up your own rules in a society. Going to jail is also the opposite of protecting your family.
Also, beating someone is not going to 'cure' him of his mental illness. He will get over his fear of getting beaten. The only thing that helps is extensive therapy, so he can learn to control his urges.
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