Chû Totoro
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I know that it's the reason in the first place. I'm saying that they can put in here all the DRM they want. One install per disc is easily doable with an OS update.
Microsoft Is So Sorry About How It's Treated Xbox One Fans So Far
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I know that it's the reason in the first place. I'm saying that they can put in here all the DRM they want. One install per disc is easily doable with an OS update.
If they have hardware to write some kind of identifier that associates the game with a gamertag and home console like that patent from Sony, then yes.Chû Totoro;80501317 said:
Otherwise everything you do past the first day on Xbox One must be playable offline. So they said.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I hope they stay there.
hardcastlemccormick
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Chû Totoro;80501317 said:
Any company can pretty much do whatever they want once you buy the system. Is this a surprise?
Never trust any company. Sounds paranoid, but seriously.
KoopaTheCasual
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Oh god, this reminds me of that fool who posted a counter thread claiming that PS4 keeps over 100 'features' behind a paywall, and then proceeded to only list PS4 games with multiplayer (and he even inaccurately added F2P titles to that list). I can't wait till next year, when we have concrete sale numbers, when a good deal of this BS 'false equivalence' will be gone.
Chû Totoro
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People keep explaining to me what are Xbox One and PS4 DRM / Always Online policies for now. I know that.
My point is that Sony, Microsoft even Nintendo ; they're here to make money and imo both Sony and Microsoft were having the same plans regarding always online / DRM.
Sony was just smarter because they didn't implement it at the end but they admit that 3rd party could do what they want so the thing is here, in the system.
Microsoft made a 180 and was arrogant in the first place so they deserve what they had but I'm not going to say that Sony is so nice with gamers for not doing this. They already permitted so shitty thing with online pass, DLC, first day patch etc on their system that I know they may take some decisions more favorable to editors than gamers because they think they have more to win. That's what I'm trying to explain.
Now I'll leave the thread and let people keep saying what they always said in every Microsoft thread.
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My point is that Sony, Microsoft even Nintendo ; they're here to make money and imo both Sony and Microsoft were having the same plans regarding always online / DRM.
Sony was just smarter because they didn't implement it at the end but they admit that 3rd party could do what they want so the thing is here, in the system.
Microsoft made a 180 and was arrogant in the first place so they deserve what they had but I'm not going to say that Sony is so nice with gamers for not doing this. They already permitted so shitty thing with online pass, DLC, first day patch etc on their system that I know they may take some decisions more favorable to editors than gamers because they think they have more to win. That's what I'm trying to explain.
Now I'll leave the thread and let people keep saying what they always said in every Microsoft thread.
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For some, it seems. And they may be very disappointed with what could come on the PS4 or just around the corner with the gen after. (same with Microsoft of course... or Nintendo)
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I think Angry Joe is getting by.
ultrazilla
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MS burnt their bridge with me to the ground with no hopes to ever rebuild it.
This "apology" tour is simply damage control. IMHO they don't deserve any gamer's money after the shit they tried to pull with Xbox One.
This "apology" tour is simply damage control. IMHO they don't deserve any gamer's money after the shit they tried to pull with Xbox One.
Shogun1337
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hardcastlemccormick
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Chû Totoro;80502333 said:
Well, we have no reason to believe the worst. We have no reason to believe in the best either. The only thing to do is to wait and see.
Um, I wasn't talking about that but okay.
Chû Totoro
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I said imo. I just think that it's almost impossible that Microsoft wanted alone to do this while not having any benefits for exclusives or whatever favor editors like EA or Activision would have done to them.
And please read my posts... I said that what was a bad thing on PS3 and it doesn't necessarily have to come on PS4, they just chose to keep it despite nobody liked this.
Free online is now only on Wii U and PS3 so they'll have other surprises for us.
yes, sadly.
Chû Totoro;80503841 said:
The reason I emphasized 'really' is because all evidence we have suggests exactly the opposite. Whether they wanted to implement something at all we'll never know, but we do definitively know there plans were not even remotely similar to Microsoft's. It's just wishful nonsense from various people continuing to say "their plans were the same" and that in the future "if Microsoft does it, so will Sony."
It doesn't even make sense either. Businesses do not operate that way the vast majority of the time.
Chû Totoro;80503841 said:
What other surprises? Can you list a potential surprise you think is coming?
They kept it the same as PS3; developers can choose to do what they want, and consumers can choose on a case by case basis what developer and publisher has their best interest in heart. There is no better way of handling this: it gives devs/pubs a road to do what they like, but gives consumers an outlet to directly punish them for it.
EA using online passes is a slight against EA, not Sony. it doesn't speak ill of PS3 or PS4. And EA already dropped online passes for this upcoming gen.
Are you fucking kidding me? Tell me you're joking PLEASE.
RedAssedApe
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TechnicPuppet's probably too blind to see that many of those same apps that are on Xbox One are free everywhere else, including on Nintendo's & Sony's consoles/handhelds.
Steve o 3000
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how about MS stfu and let the games do the talking?
RobbieNick
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apologized to joe off camera.
Joe never screamed at him. Just asked him tough questions.
Joel Was Right
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This is infuriating to read when you consider his comments pre-180 turnaround. Hyrb has no credibility in my eyes.
vasametropolis
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dat spin. I saw it several times and he never screamed. At best he raised his voice... at BEST. E3 is a loud venue.
LiquidMetal14
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This thread has gone off the deep end.
They all will until late 2014. Welcome!
Chû Totoro;80502333 said:
Do you even realize that these are not the same plans?
On PS4 I have the choice to boycott a game with always-on drm on a game-to-game basis. On the original Xbone, everything would have had that drm standardized which means I'd have to boycott the whole platform.
Zatoichi's Cane
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This, honestly offends me as consumer and a person. I feel like I'm being treated like a god damn fool here, it is such a crock of shit.
This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm buying a PS4 and like Sony's philosophy for the upcoming generation. They are advertising against everything they were trying to implement and so firmly believed in. As an informed consumer, how can I possibly just forget what Microsoft was trying to originally accomplish with the xbone?
Exactly, what a load of BS. Joe never even rose his voice
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Louis Cyphre
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This, honestly offends me as consumer and a person. I feel like I'm being treated like a god damn fool here, it is such a crock of shit.
This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm buying a PS4 and like Sony's philosophy for the upcoming generation. They are advertising against everything they were trying to implement and so firmly believed in. As an informed consumer, how can I possibly just forget what Microsoft was trying to originally accomplish with the xbone?
Your comment doesn't make much sense. They are getting the word out there of how the XBOX One will operate. They want to make sure people know how the XBOX One will work now. The original plans are gone, so it makes perfect sense to notify consumers and potential buyers. The confusion early on is the fault of Microsoft and now they are trying to get the message out to clear things up.
I don't see how people can be offended now by policies that were never actually released. They listened, changed them while they could, and are now going to release the system without those policies in place.
vasametropolis
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This graphic insults the intelligence of GAF hivemind to unforgivable levels.
This, honestly offends me as consumer and a person. I feel like I'm being treated like a god damn fool here, it is such a crock of shit.
This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm buying a PS4 and like Sony's philosophy for the upcoming generation. They are advertising against everything they were trying to implement and so firmly believed in. As an informed consumer, how can I possibly just forget what Microsoft was trying to originally accomplish with the xbone?
Careful buddy.
Penguins&PolarBears
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I totally disagree with the characterization of this article of it being an apology tour. I know for a fact that Major Nelson's team was planning this before E3 and even had a Microsoft Store event prior to E3. Also this is nothing unusual for the launch of a new console, Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony always do hands-on events like this prior to a console's release.
Seems to me like they're advertising against misinformation. Many people aren't aware of the 180's and still think some of the old policies are in place. That advertising/chart was not made for NeoGAF.
Not everybody lives on NeoGAF everyday and follows the tick tock of game news. For a lot of people they maybe only tuned into games around E3 or have only heard about Xbox One through the grapevine. Many consumers are probably unaware of the changes in policy.
We are eventually moving to a disc-free industry (see gaming on Steam, Android, iOS, Windows 8, Amazon). Microsoft tried to rush the transition early before they had established digital as a preferred delivery mechanism to discs and got grief for it.
Considering Sony is investing in Gaikai as a delivery mechanism of games, eventually you won't even have possession of the digital bits on their platform. So to think that all parties aren't moving in the same direction (Valve, Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony) is to be naive. The only thing that is different is the speed of which each is moving, Microsoft and Sony being the two slowest.
Seems to me like they're advertising against misinformation. Many people aren't aware of the 180's and still think some of the old policies are in place. That advertising/chart was not made for NeoGAF.
Not everybody lives on NeoGAF everyday and follows the tick tock of game news. For a lot of people they maybe only tuned into games around E3 or have only heard about Xbox One through the grapevine. Many consumers are probably unaware of the changes in policy.
We are eventually moving to a disc-free industry (see gaming on Steam, Android, iOS, Windows 8, Amazon). Microsoft tried to rush the transition early before they had established digital as a preferred delivery mechanism to discs and got grief for it.
Considering Sony is investing in Gaikai as a delivery mechanism of games, eventually you won't even have possession of the digital bits on their platform. So to think that all parties aren't moving in the same direction (Valve, Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony) is to be naive. The only thing that is different is the speed of which each is moving, Microsoft and Sony being the two slowest.
SuperNerd3000
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This is just BS damage control and MS actually thinks we're so stupid that we can't see through it. (I don't think Sony should get a free either: they do enough stupid things on their own). But this whole thing MS is trying to pull with XBone... seriously go f--- yourselves you greedy bastards.
(I hope someone from MS reads these boards)
(I hope someone from MS reads these boards)
You can make something that isn't for NeoGAF without lying to the people that are on NeoGAF.
The Xbox One wasn't designed for those things the way they are presented there. Either that chart is lying now or Microsoft was lying at E3.
Neuromancer
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I'm just saying it'd be nice, is all.
As much as I enjoy slinging my feces at MS like a poorly behaved monkey at the zoo, I can't really blame them for this. There is still probably a significant number of people out there who don't know about all the 180's, this is fairly educational. Although I'd agree it'd be nice if they hadn't had to do this by just being decent in the first place.
This, honestly offends me as consumer and a person. I feel like I'm being treated like a god damn fool here, it is such a crock of shit.
This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm buying a PS4 and like Sony's philosophy for the upcoming generation. They are advertising against everything they were trying to implement and so firmly believed in. As an informed consumer, how can I possibly just forget what Microsoft was trying to originally accomplish with the xbone?
Lool. Really? Joe was "screaming" at him? You fucking kidding me?
soul creator
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I recommend buying a product based on what it actually offers to you as a consumer at the time of purchase, not based on the best CEO you'd like to have a beer with (let alone, a CEO whose famous gaming quote is "Things break")
I'm gonna go ahead and say that Joe conducted that interview very poorly, but it's also Hryb's job as a PR guy to put up with that.
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