PS VITA TV announced (~$100, Vita set top box - as in it has no screen - for TVs)

The interesting part is no one really knew they wanted this until Sony revealed it to us.

A lot of people wanted it.... but embeded in the actual vita. This is just a better solution as it allows for external controllers.... so you can sit on your couch and play on your TV. The PSP go had similar functionality built in. You could sync a Dual Shock 3, and then video out to the TV and use it as a console when you are at home, and a portable when you leave.
 
Ok, so far so good. Now for that linux-based SDK..
 
Maybe. They just made $100 from me. It'll go nicely next to my ps4 in my bedroom. Maybe I'll get another one to go with the PS4 in the living room.

Sony is taking all of my money

That's my whole point though why would you need 2 ps4's in the same house? Unless someone else in the household was wanting to play a different PS4 game right?
 
I'm happy with everything that went down at this conference. I think being able to stream your PS4 on another TV in your home is awesome and being able to play Vita on your TV is neat.

And I also was one of those people that didn't realize remote play worked outside of your home network, so now eventually I'll get a Vita too. (Probably when I go on an extended trip, that way I don't have to take my console with me if I want to play console games.)

But there's one more feature some people are mentioning that Sony didn't mention. Some have said PS Vita TV could remote play your PS4 anywhere, even outside of your house just like the Vita does with PS4. Is that true too? Because if so, that's awesome. I would love to be able to show some family or friends how the PS4 works on their big TV without having to unplug my console and take it with me to their place. If that can work, then I guess remote play has way more potential to be amazing than I realized.

The Japanese 4 minute playstation commercial showed the girl suspending her game of Knack at home, then with her Vita at school, she connected to home and finished her game of Knack.
 
unified account and you still can't play all your downloaded games on the PS4 :(

That's has nothing to do with an account, and entirely to do with CPU architectures. You can play all your downloaded games.... if they make a program that allows you to stream games from Gaikai that you purchased on the PS Store.
 
I'm happy with everything that went down at this conference. I think being able to stream your PS4 on another TV in your home is awesome and being able to play Vita on your TV is neat.

And I also was one of those people that didn't realize remote play worked outside of your home network, so now eventually I'll get a Vita too. (Probably when I go on an extended trip, that way I don't have to take my console with me if I want to play console games.)

But there's one more feature some people are mentioning that Sony didn't mention. Some have said PS Vita TV could remote play your PS4 anywhere, even outside of your house just like the Vita does with PS4. Is that true too? Because if so, that's awesome. I would love to be able to show some family or friends how the PS4 works on their big TV without having to unplug my console and take it with me to their place. If that can work, then I guess remote play has way more potential to be amazing than I realized.

Yep, they're only really advertising remote play via internet in Japan because i believe they have better upload speeds than most of the west, it will work here but not for everyone.

EDIT: pretty sure this already works on ps3/v
 
I see... wonder if this is going to be the same thing happening again then. I hope not. Im still getting it but the better it doe sthe more games it gets.

The biggest reason for the positive reaction to the Vita unveil was the price. The 3DS was the same price at the time, and we didn't know at that point that memory would be so expensive.
 
Now that I think about it, this is the perfect device for gamers without good PC's and who don't want to drop money on a Vita to get into PSO2. (Yeah I know a few who don't want to buy a vita and who don't have a PC but want to play the free to play mmo that is PSO2)


This also shits all over the 2DS.
 
Why can't the PS4 just play vita games. that would have been better and saved me from some additional wiring and another piece of equipment next to my TV.
 
so... Will the games look good or crappy? Can PSVita TV run games at 1080p or so?

The Vita TV can't even output 1080p, my guess is that it renders at whatever the developer sets it to and it just scales that shit up to 720p (1080i) much like the developer Vitas can do.
 
If I don't use a vita I loose out of the touchscreen and touchback fun, some games may not be compatible at all. Next to the great OLED screen which makes for great looking games close too your face, that were the main selling points of a Vita.

Also: You sound like 720p on a 1080p screen in 2013 is a good thing. I don't think so.

The things that most Vita games didn't use, and if they do, can easily be done with the DS4? Nooooo....

And 720p works just fine. I remember your madness from the Last Of Us Digital Foundry thread, I'm hip to your game :p

MY EYES ARE BLINDED, I CAN'T PLAY LAST OF US IT LOOKS TERRIBLE - You (paraphrased)
 
Why can't the PS4 just play vita games. that would have been better and saved me from some additional wiring and another piece of equipment next to my TV.

Because that functionality would cost $100 more, and no one wants to be REQUIRED to pay $100 more. Some people would rather buy the second box. It's not just vita functionality here. This also plays Playstation 1 and PSP games, as well as Netflix and the like. You can also install it in another room and stream your PS4 so someone else can use the TV that the PS4 is in.
 
The thing that has held me back from the Vita is that I am just not a handheld kind of guy. But this changes things completely. A cheaper price and I can play Vita games right on my TV, which is how I prefer it.
 
So Sony would still sell Vitas even if it was still selling as bad as it is doing now if Vita TV sells 10-20x more during the same time frame worldwide?
Well probably not the old one, but they may as well do the new version. It's obvious they are both the same system since they share the built in 1GB and USB input.

Doubt it'll sell that well though
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I'll get this, and a Vita to go with my PS4. My flat will be a Sony ecosystem.

I was thinking about getting the Shield to stream my PC games but this seems like a better idea.
 
Because that functionality would cost $100 more, and no one wants to be REQUIRED to pay $100 more. Some people would rather buy the second box. It's not just vita functionality here. This also plays Playstation 1 and PSP games, as well as Netflix and the like. You can also install it in another room and stream your PS4 so someone else can use the TV that the PS4 is in.

fair enough
 
Pretty damn smart move by Sony. I got all excited about it then I realized that there's no vita software I'd want to play, but if the software ever comes, this would be how I'd jump in.
 
Now that I think about it, this is the perfect device for gamers without good PC's and who don't want to drop money on a Vita to get into PSO2. (Yeah I know a few who don't want to buy a vita and who don't have a PC but want to play the free to play mmo that is PSO2)


This also shits all over the 2DS.

Vita TV is a good idea and it does shit on the 2DS but guess which one will light the world on fire? (hint, not Vita TV)
 
Interesting but then I think it makes irrelevant the PSVita. Let's say in a couple of years we have PSvita:VitaTV in 1:2, the main platform will be Vita TV. I don't think it can encourage sales of the portable device, in any case, mostly VitaTV sales. Also I don't see either Sony making another portable console just to make a home version to save it. I think this might be the begining of Sony leaving the portable gaming market.

There was nothing the Vita was going to do that would get Sony to release a third dedicated gaming handheld. They were exiting that market after Vita regardless.

What VitaTV can do is increase the userbase of the Vita chipset, resulting in more Vita games period, and more money made by Sony and publishers on the format.

It also sets up as a fantastic box to Trojan horse Gaikai into homes with, and that is their real portable gaming angle beyond the Vita. By 2020 at the absolute latest Sony wants to be selling you streaming video games via your phone/tablet either how iTunes sells you movies, shows, and music or how Netflix offers subscription based bulk packages (likely a combination of the two, if PS+ is anything to go by). They don't need a dedicated handheld for that as phones and tablets powerful enough to link with Gaikai will be quite cheap by then. We're on the verge of dedicated handheld hardware becoming a thing of the past and VitaTV is Sony's first big move to acknowledge and plan for that eventuality.

Vita TV is a good idea and it does shit on the 2DS but guess which one will light the world on fire? (hint, not Vita TV)

If 3DS sales are anything to go by not 2DS either, since the 3DS itself is well off the NDS' pace despite strong Japanese sales (where smartphones are really just starting to pick up steam mind you). Handhelds are dying outside of Japan. Kids would rather have a Kindle or Nexus than a 2DS, and the price gap isn't big enough to matter.

Hold up...

So with this I can stream PS4 content to another TV?!?!?

Holy shit. I have 2 PS4 preorders one for my basement and another for the family room. Did Sony just save me 300 bucks?

Yes, that's the whole point.

Why would you even want to play handheld games on a tv? Serious question. I just don't get it. That's what a home console is for. Except home console games are generally better and are actually made with the tv in mind. Handheld games are best played on a handheld. To play them on a tv is just underwhelming to me. I mean there's a reason Liberty City Stories on PSP was the shit and Liberty City Stories on PS2 just felt like shit. I just don't get the appeal. I understand people getting excited over the remote play stuff of being able to stream the PS4 to a different tv. But the playing handheld games on a tv part just confuses me. I don't understand the appeal. I really hope this takes off and you get what you want out of the device, but I just don't understand what it is you're enjoying.
Well, remote play is a big part of it's appeal.

But as for the handheld games, the entire point of the Vita is that it's the first handheld that doesn't have to compromise gameplay. Killzone: Mercenary is an excellent FPS regardless of format. Soul Sacrifice is a good game no matter what you play it on. Guacamelee! is too, and many people on GAF played that on their PS3 (judging by how many people used the "LOLZ, I play all these great Vita games on my PS3, cross play kills Vita!" arguments). There are also tons of indie/small studio titles that work great on the Vita and have zero handheld handicaps. Lastly, JRPGs are basically a dead genre on big consoles but the PS1 and PSP have awesome back catalogs of them and the Vita has some solid entries itself.

It checks a lot of boxes and for only $100 while a dedicated console might not check all those same boxes and costs $400. That plus remote play is your marketing angle here. A PS4 extender and small game player with added media playback value thrown in.
 
Why would you even want to play handheld games on a tv? Serious question. I just don't get it. That's what a home console is for. Except home console games are generally better and are actually made with the tv in mind. Handheld games are best played on a handheld. To play them on a tv is just underwhelming to me. I mean there's a reason Liberty City Stories on PSP was the shit and Liberty City Stories on PS2 just felt like shit. I just don't get the appeal. I understand people getting excited over the remote play stuff of being able to stream the PS4 to a different tv. But the playing handheld games on a tv part just confuses me. I don't understand the appeal. I really hope this takes off and you get what you want out of the device, but I just don't understand what it is you're enjoying.
For me, it means i'll have access to Vita games at a cheap rate. I have very little interest in portable gaming, but there's always a few titles i'm interested in but never play because of the entry price.

The things it can do with a PS4 are a bonus for me, but essential to others that would buy it.
 
Why would you even want to play handheld games on a tv? Serious question. I just don't get it. That's what a home console is for. Except home console games are generally better and are actually made with the tv in mind. Handheld games are best played on a handheld. To play them on a tv is just underwhelming to me. I mean there's a reason Liberty City Stories on PSP was the shit and Liberty City Stories on PS2 just felt like shit. I just don't get the appeal. I understand people getting excited over the remote play stuff of being able to stream the PS4 to a different tv. But the playing handheld games on a tv part just confuses me. I don't understand the appeal. I really hope this takes off and you get what you want out of the device, but I just don't understand what it is you're enjoying.

Some games only come out on portables.... If people had the option to buy them on home consoles they would. This makes that a non-issue. Every game released on a Playstation console will now be a "home console" game, whether it is a "portable" or a "home console" game. There are tons of games that take a substantial amount of time (30+ hours) to beat... no one wants to hold a portable that long.
 
Why can't it use those resolutions for PS4 game streaming? It's not doing the rendering in that case, no?

We know from previous Cerny interviews that in remote play for Vita rendering is done on the PS4 so I'm not sure I understand the 720p limitation on streaming PS4 games either.
 
So, wait, let me try to get this straight:

You buy a portable handheld to use it at home as a controller for a handheld settop box, which you also buy, with which you can play your handheld games blown up to 3-4x the resolution, looking like shit.

Did I get it right? Sounds like an awesome product

Or maybe you just buy the settop box, and using an spare ds3 you can play all those vita "free" gaems from you ps+ suscription in your tv.

Yeah, sounds quite awesome.
 
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