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[DY_nasty]

Replace the word "sadistic" with cruel, savage, brutal, vicious ect. The point is that at some point in that beating, it stopped being about protecting someone and became about metering out punishment.

Of course the this situation and the Zimmerman situation are completely different, but the people saying they would do the same thing as this guy, all contribute to the same culture of disregard for the law that was present in the Zimmerman case. You can't cleanly separate the two.

Call it savage or brutal, it is what it is. A beating for trespassing on someone's family in one of the worst ways you can. It is not 'Sadistic' though.

And I'm really, really failing to see how you can't cleanly separate being committed and ready to defend your family without waiting for cops to do it for you, maybe, is the same as prowling the streets with a gun and stalking anyone who looks funny.

 

[remist]

Call it savage or brutal, it is what it is. A beating for trespassing on someone's family in one of the worst ways you can. It is not 'Sadistic' though.

And I'm really, really failing to see how you can't cleanly separate being committed and ready to defend your family without waiting for cops to do it for you, maybe, is the same as prowling the streets with a gun and stalking anyone who looks funny.

"excessive cruelty" is one of the meanings of "sadistic", although I admit it was a poor word choice as it usually implies something more.

I can cleanly separate the two situations, but they both feed into each other and cause the same problems.

 

[braves01]

The beating (no pun intended) sounds excessive. Hopefully both sides get justice for their crimes.

 

[The Technomancer]

Call it savage or brutal, it is what it is. A beating for trespassing on someone's family in one of the worst ways you can. It is not 'Sadistic' though.

And I'm really, really failing to see how you can't cleanly separate being committed and ready to defend your family without waiting for cops to do it for you, maybe, is the same as prowling the streets with a gun and stalking anyone who looks funny.

The underlying idea, that "the police aren't good enough", so therefore "ordinary people have to take things into their hands", is the same. As soon as a guy is fleeing from you then you're no longer defending against him.

This isn't to say that the police are good enough, by the way. In many cases they aren't and thats a problem. The key is that "therefore" above. I and many others are very wary of the idea of "taking the law into your own hands"

 

[charsace]

The peeper didn't deserve to get hurt the way he did, but he did deserve to get his ass kicked. He had some idea that what he was doing was wrong because when he was first confronted he hit a guy and took off. A man that looks at girls in a sexual and acts on those sexual urges is a threaten individual.

 

[Yasae]

You know, as a person who did have a parent go to jail, you don't want that to happen. And especially not for silly reasons like this.

I see a lot of bloodlust but very little concern for its fallout...

 

[DiipuSurotu]

New details:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...de-his-daughters-window-has-neighbors-fuming/

[...] Once in better condition, police are expected to charge Maho with voyeurism, which is a fourth degree felony when committed against victims who are minors.

Chavez’s aggravated battery charge though could be a third degree felony if “great bodily harm” was inflicted.

Speaking with KRQE, Chavez said he was so angry, he doesn’t remember chasing down Maho and that he wishes he didn’t beat him so badly. The station noted Chavez having a criminal record for child abuse and domestic violence.

"Fourth degree felony" means the pervert faces between one and two years in jail. "Third degree felony" means the father faces up to three years in jail.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Right city, too!

 

[Bodacious]

I've got a 10 year old daughter. If I encountered the same situation (naked perv, behind a bush on my property peeking into my daughter's room, then physically attacks me when caught at it) I'd be in jail now too. And proud of it.

 

[Slayven]

The fact they haven't arrested the father tells me they are waiting to see if the dude lives, then they will drop the charges.

 

[killer rin]

So once he penetrates her, its all good?

Or do people need to wait until there's actual groping?

Word.

I'm not saying that. If you actually read my damned post you would see that I'm perfectly fine with the guy getting the crap beat out of him. The difference being him being beat to an inch of death and someone getting a enough smacks to get the point across.

 

[Madness]

To be honest, I'd have the done the same. If someone was naked and masturbating on my property to my young and underage daughters or viewing them through the windows, the same probably would have happened. No sympathy for the voyeur whatsoever either.

 

[Buddha Beam]

New details:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...de-his-daughters-window-has-neighbors-fuming/

[...] Once in better condition, police are expected to charge Maho with voyeurism, which is a fourth degree felony when committed against victims who are minors.

Chavez’s aggravated battery charge though could be a third degree felony if “great bodily harm” was inflicted.

Speaking with KRQE, Chavez said he was so angry, he doesn’t remember chasing down Maho and that he wishes he didn’t beat him so badly. The station noted Chavez having a criminal record for child abuse and domestic violence.

"Fourth degree felony" means the pervert faces between one and two years in jail. "Third degree felony" means the father faces up to three years in jail.

If they both go to jail, it sounds like a win-win scenario for everybody, honestly.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

If they both go to jail, it sounds like a win-win scenario for everybody, honestly.

How does anyone come out of this winning?

Dad-in jail
Girls-encounter with a peeping tom, unknown degree of mental/emotional damage

Pedo-injuries, jail

 

[DiipuSurotu]

How does anyone come out of this winning?

Dad-in jail
Girls-encounter with a peeping tom, unknown degree of mental/emotional damage

Pedo-injuries, jail

Look at the part that Buddha Beam bolded.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Look at the part that Buddha Beam bolded.

Even looking at that, no one comes out of this winning.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Look at the part that Buddha Beam bolded.

but we have no idea what those are from. he could have just left a kid in the car when going to grab something from a liquor store. *bam* child abuse. and domestic violence... it's easy to catch a rap for that if you're a dude, eve if you do nothing wrong.

 

[Sanky Panky]

History of domestic and child abuse from the father? I'm glad he was out of jail long enough to beat down the pervert, and I'm glad that he can also be removed from society (for a while at least).

 

[Slayven]

and people wonder why ex con's have trouble reintegrating into society.

 

[Valnen]

If they both go to jail, it sounds like a win-win scenario for everybody, honestly.

I disagree. The dad should get a medal if anything. If there's any justice in this world they'll let him go and jail the perv.

 

[t26]

If they both go to jail, it sounds like a win-win scenario for everybody, honestly.

Except for the daughter?

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

Except for the daughter?

Well, her father had no choice but to pursue and viciously beat the man. Otherwise his friends might have called him a pussy.

 

[Hitchslap]

In all honesty the law doesn't do shit about sexual predators especially in the early stages.

So we should kill/beat up people before they commit a crime? Or treat every peeper as a pedophile rapist?

This is a complicated/difficult situation and an emotional response (especially from the parents) is understandable...but it also shows why the law exists in the first place. Think about it.

(btw I'm not defending the peeper in any way)

 

[.GqueB.]

I somehow read "naked people totally in critical condition..."

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Well, her father had no choice but to pursue and viciously beat the man. Otherwise his friends might have called him a pussy.

Father should have waited for the perv to finish and then offered him a napkin, invited him in for tea and strumpets and then thank him for beating off to his underage daughters and assaulting his son.

 

[Devolution]

So we should kill/beat up people before they commit a crime? Or treat every peeper as a pedophile rapist?

This is a complicated/difficult situation and an emotional response (especially from the parents) is understandable...but it also shows why the law exists in the first place. Think about it.

(btw I'm not defending the peeper in any way)

Before? The dude was masturbating on their property naked and punched someone. If the adults weren't home who knows what the fuck he would do.

 

[Madness]

Before? The dude was masturbating on their property naked and punched someone. If the adults weren't home who knows what the fuck he would do.

Now now, that's bordering on promoting vigilante-ism Devo. You wait to call the cops who may or may not arrive in time to catch this man. If he escapes, oh well, maybe put up some security lights.

Jokes aside, anyone brazen enough to strip naked and masturbate on someone's property to their underage daughters through the window, could be capable of a lot more. Maybe he's been watching the kids for a long time? Maybe he knew just where to be as well. Maybe they've been the object of his sexual desires for a while and it's only a matter of time before he picks a time when the adults weren't home etc.

Zero sympathy from me. If this was my property and my kids or even my families (cousins, nieces) etc. I'd have done the same to him, maybe worse.

 

[Buddha Beam]

but we have no idea what those are from. he could have just left a kid in the car when going to grab something from a liquor store. *bam* child abuse. and domestic violence... it's easy to catch a rap for that if you're a dude, eve if you do nothing wrong.

The guy beat the ever loving shit out of a peeping tom to the point where he might die. Even if you think it was "justified", his actions (and the fact that he apparently was so enraged that he claims to have blanked out) suggests that the dude has severe anger management issues, to put it lightly. Smart money says the guy's arrest record is for crimes a little more serious than what you're suggesting.

 

[cheststrongwell]

I'm not saying I approve of this beating, but I approve of this beating.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

Sounds like a case of assault and perhaps attempted murder. One the subject flees, you can't chase after him and beat them, that's just not legal.

 

[Hitchslap]

If the adults weren't home who knows what the fuck he would do.

I know you mean well but think about a prospect when we are going to punish people for what they could do...

That mind-set is extremely dangerous...He was a peeper, maybe mentally ill, not a pedophile rapist and we should not treat him as one. (again, I'm not defending the guy...just trying to lower the violent hysteria)

 

[Slayven]

I know you mean well but think about a prospect when we are going to punish people for what they could do...

That mind-set is extremely dangerous...He was a peeper, maybe mentally ill, not a pedophile rapist and we should not treat him as one. (again, I'm not defending the guy...just trying to lower the violent hysteria)

He also lived 4 houses away.

 

[GaimeGuy]

It's sad people change their tone on the father's actions based on his criminal record.

If he didn't have a history of child abuse, that doesn't change the fact that he almost beat a man to death (and he may have, since the voyeur is still critical), and it certainly wouldn't make it okay.

His past is irrelevant.

 

[Devolution]

I know you mean well but think about a prospect when we are going to punish people for what they could do...

That mind-set is extremely dangerous...He was a peeper, maybe mentally ill, not a pedophile rapist and we should not treat him as one. (again, I'm not defending the guy...just trying to lower the violent hysteria)

He wasn't just a peeper. He was masturbating to underage girls outside their fucking window. You honestly do come off like you're defending him. He shouldn't have been beaten to an inch of this life but what utopia do you live in where the cops catch him and the justice system does right by secluding him from society? Most likely he'd be right back where he lives down the street from the girls.

 

[GaimeGuy]

He wasn't just a peeper. He was masturbating to underage girls outside their fucking window. You honestly do come off like you're defending him. He shouldn't have been beaten to an inch of their lives but what utopia do you live in where the cops catch him and the justice system does right by secluding him from society? Most likely he'd be right back where he lives down the street from the girls.

No, what's most likely is that he gets caught, thrown in jail for 5-20 years, where he is physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually abused by the guards and other inmates, and if he's lucky enough to make it out alive and without being infected with heptatitis or HIV, branded a sex offender for life, unable to live or work in most communities, identified to everyone within a 2-3 mile radius via mail flyers containing graphic details of his crimes, his name, picture, and address whenever he does find a place he can move to, for the rest of his days.

 

[AAK]

No, he doesn't deserve a death sentence but simultaneously I wouldn't charge the family. I don't think they were in a state of thinking rationally when they found a sexual predator stalking their children.

Unless maybe they have a history of violence against people. But whatever I'm not a judge.

 

[SUPREME1]

Someone who has the know-how should start a defense fund for the dad if he's charged.

I'd proudly donate $20.

 

[Hitchslap]

He also lived 4 houses away.

That doesn't explain why so many people here are perfectly ok with killing/beating to a pulp a guy because he was masturbating in the bushes while looking at some teenagers...

Thinking "what if he was a rapist/pedophile/murderer" is understandable from the emotional perspective but ultimately it could only lead to a justification of violence. (In a world build on "what ifs" almost every crime deserves a death sentence...)

 

[Trey]

It's sad people change their tone on the father's actions based on his criminal record.

If he didn't have a history of child abuse, that doesn't change the fact that he almost beat a man to death (and he may have, since the voyeur is still critical), and it certainly wouldn't make it okay.

His past is irrelevant.

A person's past is never irrelevant when it comes to criminal matters.

 

[Devolution]

No, what's most likely is that he gets caught, thrown in jail for 5-20 years, where he is physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually abused by the guards and other inmates, and if he's lucky enough to make it out alive and without being infected with heptatitis or HIV, branded a sex offender for life, unable to live or work in most communities, identified to everyone within a 2-3 mile radius via mail flyers containing graphic details of his crimes, his name, picture, and address whenever he does find a place he can move to, for the rest of his days.

Get's caught for what though? Like I said they don't deal with these types before they molest or rape people.

 

[SUPREME1]

Ewww, he lived four houses down?

Fucking predator pedophile deserved death. He's fortunate to be alive.

People go to prison for images on their computer. This guy stalked these girls, violating their sense of safety, masturbating like a creep outside their window. Then he assaults their brother.

Fuck him.

 

[SUPREME1]

If the DA is a decent person and somewhat competent at their job, he/she will not file charges... or at least he/she won't seek jail time.

 

[RSLAEV]

If the DA is a decent person and somewhat competent at their job, he/she will not file charges... or at least he/she won't seek jail time.

Yeah uh no that would make them incompetent. I don't know what 3rd world hell hole you live in but here in America you don't get to play action hero just because some guy is jacking off in your yard.


(yeah yeah I know...I'm being trolled again)

 

[GaimeGuy]

A person's past is never irrelevant when it comes to criminal matters.

History of domestic and child abuse from the father? I'm glad he was out of jail long enough to beat down the pervert, and I'm glad that he can also be removed from society (for a while at least).

Makes it sound like he'd be off the hook if it weren't for his past (which, I should remind you, he's already been punished for), at least in Sanky's mind.

 

[The Adder]

Right, but so many people are instantly jumping the gun, saying "he deserved it" and "he should die" stuff like that. Without even an investigation into his mental state.

1. Who said he should die?

2. He swung first

3. You can put someone in critical by decking them once if you catch them the wrong way or they slam their head against something. You don't have to whale on a person to hospitalize them.

 

[AuthenticM]

No, he didn't deserved to get beaten like that. Even a single punch to the stomach would have been pushing it, although more forgiveable.

 

[SUPREME1]

Even a single punch to the stomach would have been pushing it...

He trespasses for the sole purpose of jacking off to underage girls, then physically assaults the brother when he's confronted... all before attempting to flee from the scene of a felony crime.

Yet a punch to the stomach would have been pushing it?

Lmao dude. Oh shit.

 

[GaimeGuy]

1. Who said he should die?

2. He swung first

3. You can put someone in critical by decking them once if you catch them the wrong way or they slam their head against something. You don't have to whale on a person to hospitalize them.

They chased the man down the street and when officers arrived, he was badly beaten up and in a pool of his own blood. He's still in critical condition and it's 5 days and 18 hours after the police were called to the scene. That's not decking someone the wrong way. That's a savage beatdown.

 

[Sats]

He trespasses for the sole purpose of jacking off to underage girls, then physically assaults the brother when he's confronted... all before attempting to flee from the scene of a felony crime.

Yet a punch to the stomach would have been pushing it?

Lmao dude. Oh shit.

YES, it really world.

Repeat after me.

Vigilantism is illegal.

Got it? Good.

When a criminal flees, you do not chase after them, and them beat them within an inch of death. You just don't. End of story.

 

[Hitchslap]

He wasn't just a peeper. He was masturbating to underage girls outside their fucking window. You honestly do come off like you're defending him. He shouldn't have been beaten to an inch of this life but what utopia do you live in where the cops catch him and the justice system does right by secluding him from society? Most likely he'd be right back where he lives down the street from the girls.

I know that this world is far from utopia but at the same time I don't think I'm ready to admit that violence like that can be an answer to anything...
And I'm really not defending the guy...just trying to bring the argument down from 'how to kill a rapist/pedophile' to 'how to deal with a masturbating pervert in your bushes' (that is what we know about him for now).