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Proof is in the pudding. PS3 was supposed to make 360 look like Xbox 1.5.

We all know how that turned out

pretty much. But it continues to amaze me how good sony is at PR with the PS4 this time round.

Has there been..... any bad new AT ALL regarding PS4?

 

[Bundy]

It'll be seriously fucking annoying if the PS4 ends up with gimped versions just for parity.

Well, don't forget what Adrian Chmielarz said:

Does it mean studios will cripple PS4 versions to match XO ones? Not really, do not underestimate the devs.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

Maybe because we don't talk about PC here in this thread?
Because most of the ordinary console gamers don't give a damn about a PC, because they playing.... you know, consoles?
They don't want to pay 1000€ for a gaming PC. So your PC stuff has nothing to do here.

 

[statham]

Not really. The power difference is definitely there but it's not enough to change what types of games people will want to do at the core. Like some developer isn't going to say "Damn it we wanted to do an open world game but can't because XB1's GPU is too weak!"

What you'll see is that open world game still being made but having better effects on PS4, or better framerate, or better draw distance. Or maybe a combo of all of those things. Since both are using blu ray disc formats now it won't be like this gen where 360's disc type DID hold people back to a degree, and the RAM on both consoles held devs back in the last 3-4 years of the generation.

I actually agree with this.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

some of us also have PCs, and I'll be getting my multiplats on a PC like I have been the past 2 years.

 

[Maxim726X]

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

No?

This is comparison of the two home consoles in the title. I find it more strange that people continually wish to insert 'Well, my PC could do that!' in the middle of these discussions.

 

[bonus_sco]

That's probably accurate

It's not accurate. The architecture of the PS2 and Xbox were completely different.

The PS4 and Xbox One have CPUs and GPUs from the same manufacturer and generation.

 

[Pound_lb003]

Personally I don't know why someone interested in getting the highest quality would ignore PC.

There's a myriad reasons actually.

Cheaper, less complicated, more reliable (software interaction), fixed platform optimisation, console exclusives.

You know, all that jazz?

 

[Manmademan]

Yes really. What I wrote about Xbox One and it's tight integration with US tv services is factually correct.

except it isn't. see what I wrote above. Comcast is dupicating every single function of the Xbox one TV integration into their own cable boxes, and moving their DVR and video functions to the cloud.

and how big is comcast?

1. Comcast 22,002,000
2. Time Warner Cable 12,344,000
3. Cox Communications 4,595,000
4. Verizon FiOS 4,592,000
5. AT&T U-verse 4,344,000
6. Charter Communications 4,197,000
7. Cablevision 3,247,000
8. Bright House Networks 2,038,000
9. Suddenlink Communications 1,230,000
10. Mediacom 1,019,000

they represent nearly 40% of cable customers in the top ten networks, and have monopolies in some huge media markets.

 

[Deadstar]

Looks like PS4 will be the ideal console for almost all multiplats this time.

Multiplats were ideal on the PS3, at least for me. Then again, I preferred the controller and interface.

 

[AutumnRay]

As someone else said earlier, if this is the 'next gen' consoles then coune me out. My PC will more than suffice and i am having a load of fun with my (horrendously under powered) Wii U.

This is the first console generation where I honestly feel absolutely o need to run out and buy a 'next gen' console. The Wii U has been a surprisingly awrsome bundle of joy and my PC from what i have seen will be plenty capable beside next gen hardware.

Maybe i am getting over gaming in general but I have become increasingly picky about what I enjoy in games and right now, coming from the Xbox360 as my current go to console, i feel as though i am less and less inclined to bother with the Xbone or PS4, and more than a few of my mates are in the same boat. I bought a Wii U for the fact that its doing somethi g different and to be honest have not be disappointed in the least. Microsoft a least are doing Kinect which might be much to the annoyance of the hardcore cowd, but well, we all saw how poorly that stupid kinect, los of crow eaten on hat ne. PS4? They will no doubt have a superb fist parth line up but otherwise they dont have anything to other than teh specs to go on about and theirbshowings so far have consisted of not much else more than looking at what Microsoft have said and saying he complete opposite.

For me, PC and Wii U seems the obvious choice. If you dont like Nintendo games you can forego the Wii U and go PC because that offers the ultimate in versatility and performance.

Yeah, I don't agree with this in any way. The launch lineup isn't even complete yet and we have seen all kinds of awesome with Rime and Killzone in particular though Rime is slated for whenever. The camera is going to be put to great use eventually in virtually lag free sports games like MLB, Golf, and whatever they have cooking for sports champions 3. If anything Sony is firing on all cylinders for a launch that looks ten times better than the PS3 one. Games will come and so will announcements from the myriad devs working on first party stuff still under wraps.

Also, the WiiU is a piece of garbage to me. I love Mario and Zelda but there is no way in hell I am paying out the bum to play mediocre ports and low IQ games. Some of this post seems like WiiU apologist stuff. I am glad you are happy with your purchase but attacking all the hard work Sony has built up is a bit profane here. The WiiU is FAR FAR from the obvious choice for most people who enjoy gaming online and that is most everybody these days. And even then Sony has all the killer single player games in the works. We are still months out from launch here!

I run an overclocked 770 4GB and there is no way in hell I could go back to 720p and using a terrible gamepad for control. The DS4 looks to be the best controller ever friggin' released imo and that is just another reason why the PS4 looks so sweet.

I think it is pretty obvious to many that the PS4 (possibly the bone if you are into that) plus PC is the way to go. If you like Nintendo then you can wait til they get their crap together. The gamepad is useless to 99% of people out there and the price of the system is basically being held hostage because of it.

 

[nikos]

better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. At least we'll have nice PS4 exclusives.

 

[Off-Kilter]

It's a dickwaving thread though. No point in grumbling when Lex Steele turns up.

Damn

Damn.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

 

[Future PhaZe]

without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

Is there any context to this statement at all? What software are we talking about here?

 

[szaromir]

That's probably accurate

Not really, the difference between PS2 and Xbox was much bigger than that.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

At this point nobody can deny the PS4 is more powerful and Sony is ahead in the schedule for development of the system and games.

Sad about the fact that multiplats will be limited to the "worst".

That's how it was this gen before deferred rendering took off. Don't see the issue. The roles sort of switched.

 

[Endo Punk]

So the PS4 is easier, cheaper, more powerful and releasing in a timely manner in comparison to their direct competition with more stock and less issues, and releasing in more territories this year. Goddamn it's like the stars have aligned for Sony. This is a stark contrast to the godawful PS3 launch and lead up to it. Well, the launch games still nothing to brag about so they couldn't fix that problem. Maybe next next gen.

 

[Horp]

No?

This is comparison of the two home consoles in the title. I find it more strange that people continually wish to insert 'Well, my PC could do that!' in the middle of these discussions.

If someone says "multiplatform games will be better on PS4 than X1", isn't it just very natural to say "in that case, they will be better on PC"?
As a way of saying "if power is what makes the difference, then we should consider the option with even more power".

Maybe because we don't talk about PC here in this thread?
Because most of the ordinary console gamers don't give a damn about a PC, because they playing.... you know, consoles?
They don't want to pay 1000€ for a gaming PC. So your PC stuff has nothing to do here.

Who are "WE"?
Who makes those rules? Missed that part in the TOS. Is it ok to bring up the Wii U?

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

You totally put the cover out of perspective. For one, that was pre-180, when XB1 was 'all-in' for their shitty policies. And on the front of EDGE, yes lets just pretend those 3rd party devs dont exist.

It was written after the 180.

 

[Future PhaZe]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

my IQ dropped

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Don´t know what all the fuss is about, we know the specs, we know that the PS4 blows the Xbone out of the water and that´s it.

That would apply to rational people, sure.

 

[AOC83]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

Dat salt.

 

[szaromir]

There's a myriad reasons actually.

Cheaper, less complicated, more reliable (software interaction), fixed platform optimisation, console exclusives.

You know, all that jazz?

So that person is definitely not interested in the highest quality, since all those things you listed have no bearing on it.

 

[Flatline]

There are far more people who are claiming that the difference will be huge, like between PC and consoles. Obviously since PS4 and Xbone share the same architecture (minus the memory setup) you'd expect low level optimizations to benefit both and it's hard to predict a situation where PS4 could be neglected.

I specifically said what sort of differences I expect when games will finally appear - similar to RDR between 360 and PS3. The PS3 version was much inferior to the 360 one, but it didn't stop even many GAF users - who are clearly enthusiast or hardcore gamers - from playing the clearly worse version. Not too mention people ignoring PC gaming where the quality is the highest. So I don't think the 40% difference is terribly important, even if clearly noticeable.

Personally I don't know why someone interested in getting the highest quality would ignore PC.

Some people just can't afford the a PC that would outperform next-gen consoles it has already explained here a million times, you're just spamming PC arguments for the sake of spamming them now. The RDR reference is interesting though considering that PS3 and 360 were pretty much equal yet the difference was so big because of more difficult hardware. This time Xbone is more difficult to develop for and significantly less powerful so it wouldn't be wrong to expect much bigger difference in some games.

 

[VanWinkle]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Consoles just aren't compared to PC. You don't see PS4 fans trying to compare X1 to PC either. Consoles are compared, and then PC is it's own thing. It's too much more powerful and there's too many variables. Same as this gen. Should people not compare PS3 vs 360 just because PC versions look so much better?

 

[Omni]

my IQ dropped

Great retort!

 

[Possum]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

Good points. And I agree with you.

Except none of this really matters in the scheme of things. Get the platform you prefer and play games on it. I really wish some of the posters in here wouldn't take their opinion so seriously towards this kind of stuff.

 

[RedSwirl]

In the long run I really don't think it's gonna fucking matter. Not in terms of commercial sales.

The original Xbox was significantly more powerful than the PS2, but still didn't sell as much. Even when the Xbox version of a multiplatform game was noticeably superior, most people still just bought the PS2 version. A console has never won the most market share for being the most powerful. It just doesn't matter as much as other market forces do.

I'm not saying this means the Xbox One is gonna take over or anything, but if the PS4 outsells the Xbox One, even by a lot, horsepower won't be the reason why. What could hurt Microsoft are things like marketing, poor messaging, its price, or how people perceive Xbox Live against PlayStation Plus. The main reason I believe people bought most multiplatform games on Xbox 360 wasn't because the 360 versions of most games were better, but because of Live and because most console gamers only owned an Xbox 360 throughout this generation.

I still think the real test here is whether Sony can pull customers away from Live and towards PSN.

 

[FrankT]

They say the difference won't be so pronounced at launch. I wonder how many people will forget that.

I'm certainly interested to see these 50% real world differences no doubt. Cannot wait for some DF comparisons. Resolution and steady frame rate are my key factors and I cannot wait to see these resolution differences out the gate.

 

[Nightengale]

Well,the launch games still nothing to brag about so they couldn't fix that problem. Maybe next next gen.

Heh, more like never until they start acting like MS.

Early adopters are fine, but boy I would've been pissed as hell if Ascension, TLoU, Puppeteer, etc were all 'migrated' over into becoming PS4 launch titles. ( which was what MS did with Ryse, DR3 and Crimson Dragon )

 

[Maxim726X]

If someone says "multiplatform games will be better on PS4 than X1", isn't it just very natural to say "in that case, they will be better on PC"?
As a way of saying "if power is what makes the difference, then we should consider the option with even more power".

Not at all. We all know a properly outfitted gaming PC will shit on consoles. It's been that way for years now...

We're not discussing that. It clearly states it in the thread title: PS4 and X1.

By the way, the larger implications of this discussion are how game development will be impacted by this because a lot of games will start on consoles and later be ported to the PC. Though you could make the argument that both consoles are essentially PCs in a nice shell, the conversation still matters.

 

[Can Crusher]

Higher end PC's being more powerful than the Ps4 doesn't really mean anything positive for the Xbox One. Given this is a PS4 and Xbox One thread it's hilarious to see some cling to the PC as if that mattered anything.

As well as "If you care about graphics then you should have a PC", lol, sure and if you actually care about graphics you should spend 1500$ on a PC because those will give you better visuals than 800$ Pc's...

And those who don't care about graphics at all and it's not a factor in their buying purchase, why do they care to post in a thread like this?

 

[def sim]

It's a dickwaving thread though. No point in grumbling when Lex Steele turns up.

ahahaha oh i love this

 

[AzerPhire]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

Spot on. This and Derrick01's posts are the best in this entire thread.

 

[Horp]

Consoles just aren't compared to PC. You don't see PS4 fans trying to compare X1 to PC either. Consoles are compared, and then PC is it's own thing. It's too much more powerful and there's too many variables. Same as this gen. Should people not compare PS3 vs 360 just because PC versions look so much better?

PC right now is another generation than PS360, so the comparisons are pretty one sided.
But of course people compare consoles and PC!

I for example, should I get a PS4 or not? I have one preordered, but seeing how it struggles with some things that really matter to me (pop-in, 60fps, 1080p), I'm not sure I will. I might spend those 500 dollars (I live in Sweden) on a new graphics card.

 

[StevieP]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

There is a double standard. As another poster in this thread put it (paraphrased),
"It's a dick measuring contest when you bring the PC into the equation, but it's not a dick measuring contest when you're measuring 2 shorter dicks of nearly equal length".

Consoles are compared, and then PC is it's own thing.

They all play the same multiplatform games. If the performance of multiplatform games is important to you, PC isn't its own thing.

I run an overclocked 770 4GB and there is no way in hell I could go back to 720p and using a terrible gamepad for control.

Then you're not going to be gaming on an Xbone or a PS4.

 

[Arkage]

Even if resolution and effects are toned down the FPS would be higher on the PS4, so I'm not too worried about multiplats being that gimped. Especially when we know Sony's 1st party games are typically the best looking stuff anyway, and they'll be squeezing everything they can out of it for years to come.

 

[RedRooster]

For some reason, this article/thread has me really pondering my choice in systems.
Honestly, if BF4 for example(which will be my most played game the first year) has a resolution difference, I'd honestly consider completely switching over to PS4. I haven't the time or interest to try to get through all the great games on both systems, so I have to pick one.
Maybe I'm just used to having the slightly better version with the 360 this gen and never gave it a second though, but if the gap is going to be quite huge in PS4's favor, man, that's gotta make someone think about switching.

 

[Uno Venova]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

The unnamed posters double standard list. Timeless.

 

[Maxim726X]

So that person is definitely not interested in the highest quality, since all those things you listed have no bearing on it.

But when faced with 2 choices and one is clearly superior to the other, what reason would there be to buy the gimped console, exactly? Especially when it costs more.

 

[Finalizer]

.

So how about

4. When there is a discussion about "the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

'Cause that one looks pretty explicit and straight-forward to me.

Look, anyone will tell you no shit that a game will look best on PC. Duh. End of story.

But that's the problem - when people bring up PC gaming, it's usually an attempt at thread derailment with a discussion-ending point that doesn't actually bring anything to the actual conversation at hand. That's why it irritates people when it gets brought up time and time again.

(And this doesn't even get into how you've painted the discussion in broad strokes in the first place)

 

[jim2011]

the point of the integration is to provide a level of control that a universal remote isn't capable of. "xbox play last night's episode of Breaking Bad" flat out won't work here. and if it doesn't, what's the point?

I noticed you also glossed over the largest cable company in the country (22 million households) already providing the exact same service, with their DVR function moving to the cloud. How exactly is the IR blaster going to work there?

I glossed over any tight integration. I have TiVo so I'm in the same boat. What I hope for in the future is tight dvr integration. This won't be done via infrared but rather IP. It is technically possible, just see any of the iPhone apps for your respective dvr. Microsoft just needs to reach agreements with them. Again this is what I'm hoping Microsoft will do.

At launch, I still expect to use my TiVo remote but it's still a major step up from this gen. Not having to switch inputs to do anything Xbox related. The fact that it's overplayed is a huge deal to me.

 

[freenudemacusers]

It's a dickwaving thread though. No point in grumbling when Lex Steele turns up.

It doesn't fit on my comfy couch.

 

[Strawman]

Great retort!

Its the only retort that confirmationbias.txt post deserved

 

[imtehman]

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Its like when xbox360 and ps3 people ignored sales of the wii when it was at its peak in sales-age

 

[Glorified G]

There are far more people who are claiming that the difference will be huge, like between PC and consoles. Obviously since PS4 and Xbone share the same architecture (minus the memory setup) you'd expect low level optimizations to benefit both and it's hard to predict a situation where PS4 could be neglected.

I specifically said what sort of differences I expect when games will finally appear - similar to RDR between 360 and PS3. The PS3 version was much inferior to the 360 one, but it didn't stop even many GAF users - who are clearly enthusiast or hardcore gamers - from playing the clearly worse version. Not too mention people ignoring PC gaming where the quality is the highest. So I don't think the 40% difference is terribly important, even if clearly noticeable.

Personally I don't know why someone interested in getting the highest quality would ignore PC.

The best part of this comparison is that RDR is not even available on PC and it's considered one of the best this gen. You couldn't picked a worse comparison on your 'why ignore PC' spiel.

 

[ghst]

Not really. The power difference is definitely there but it's not enough to change what types of games people will want to do at the core. Like some developer isn't going to say "Damn it we wanted to do an open world game but can't because XB1's GPU is too weak!"

What you'll see is that open world game still being made but having better effects on PS4, or better framerate, or better draw distance. Or maybe a combo of all of those things. Since both are using blu ray disc formats now it won't be like this gen where 360's disc type DID hold people back to a degree, and the RAM on both consoles held devs back in the last 3-4 years of the generation.

yeah, it's going to be a net positive for PS4 owners if games are made to accommodate the xbone.

big ticket console games are always made for the back of the box screenshot standard, which leads to bizarre situations where a major AAA studio's game (driveclub) is much less fluid and visually appealing than something more modest but within the console's means (resogun).

if the baseline for "console means" is the xbone, an inferior device, maybe PS4 owners will for the first time in generations own a console which will deliver AAA multiplats optimised for gameplay rather than supersampled pre-release bullshots.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Higher end PC's being more powerful than the Ps4 doesn't really mean anything positive for the Xbox One. Given this is a PS4 and Xbox One thread it's hilarious to see some cling to the PC as if that mattered anything.

As well as "If you care about graphics then you should have a PC", lol, sure and if you actually care about graphics you should spend 1500$ on a PC because those will give you better visuals than 800$ Pc's...

And those who don't care about graphics at all and it's not a factor in their buying purchase, why do they care to post in a thread like this?

So we're going to ban PC discussion from GAF now? Because there've been threads on GAF that are completely Xbox One focused that almost always turn into Ps4 vs XBO debates, and the second PC GAF drops truth bombs people want to exclude it from discussions?

 

[PJV3]

Power doesn't matter to me, a corporation saying their console is as powerful as a competitors and taking people's cash does.

MS need to get their shit together and prove it.

 

[BruiserBear]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

Oh God. Not shit shit again.


How many times does it need to be said? I don't want to play games with a mouse/kb. That means I'm never going to play a shooter online on PC, because even though I could use a controller in those games, I'll never be able to compete against m/kb players. Thus, all shooters are immediately console only games for me. THE END.

For a variety of reasons, including the major one I just gave, a large majority of people are not interested in PC gaming. Therefore when I'm discussing power in a console, the PC doesn't even enter the equation for me.

 

[Manmademan]

I glossed over any tight integration. I have TiVo so I'm in the same boat. What I hope for in the future is tight dvr integration. This won't be done via infrared but rather IP. It is technically possible, just see any of the iPhone apps for your respective dvr. Microsoft just needs to reach agreements with them. Again this is what I'm hoping Microsoft will do.

At launch, I still expect to use my TiVo remote but it's still a major step up from this gen. Not having to switch inputs to do anything Xbox related. The fact that it's overplayed is a huge deal to me.

Microsoft tried with comcast, and got shut down. they have an agreement with time warner.

Without an across the board agreement with all US cable operators, "tight integration" isn't happening.