Can you give us minorities an example of what white people think is real racism so we can stop using this "race card" that we apparently have?
Video: White store manager follows black teens around a store
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greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
I'm hyper-sensitive to employees following me in stores ever since I was erroneously called out as a thief. Me and my cousin came into a drugstore with a magazine. We were 11 and didn't know any better. The manager made the mistake of screaming and swearing at us like we were common thugs after kindly luring us to the back as if to reward us. He then took the magazine and put it on the shelf, all without realizing that it was a month old.
It was probably the first time I noticed that people could be two-faced. Ever since then, a tiny part of me feels like the security system is bound to go off whenever I leave a store.
The moral of the story is that not everything is as it seems and it serves to be forthright with people. The manager eventually got fired. Sometimes I wonder about hunting him down and asking him why he did what he did so indiscriminately, and also telling him that I was enlightened -- if only by a little -- by his actions.
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It was probably the first time I noticed that people could be two-faced. Ever since then, a tiny part of me feels like the security system is bound to go off whenever I leave a store.
The moral of the story is that not everything is as it seems and it serves to be forthright with people. The manager eventually got fired. Sometimes I wonder about hunting him down and asking him why he did what he did so indiscriminately, and also telling him that I was enlightened -- if only by a little -- by his actions.
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Count Dookkake
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If a result can be achieved by multiple ways, we can not immediately assume it was racism. That would be a good start.
In this case, the relative ages of both parties are relevant, but for some reason, were excluded from the OP.
This is not a good way to talk about the issues present.
EDIT - I post this recommendation often, and it would make me so effing happy if one of you would actually read it. The Race Card: How Bluffing About Bias Make Race Relations Worse by Richard Thomspon Ford. Explains my position at length.
I don't see this as racism to be honest. I mean if I was the manager of a store and I saw anybody, but even more notably kids with a video recorder, I would totally be following them around too.
Also I feel like that guy was aware they were talking about him when recording the video.
Also I feel like that guy was aware they were talking about him when recording the video.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
So, the store manager is an ageist.
Though like others have said, can't blame store for being suspicious. Group of young kids walking around the store without an adult. We can't see the other kid, but if one had a store basket or shopping cart, it would probably wouldn't arouse as much suspicion.
Though like others have said, can't blame store for being suspicious. Group of young kids walking around the store without an adult. We can't see the other kid, but if one had a store basket or shopping cart, it would probably wouldn't arouse as much suspicion.
gutter_trash
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a tactic teens used in high school is to have one keep the cashier busy by buying something small like a pack of gum , while the rest stuff their jackets in the other isles.
then share the loot outside
So what kind of proof would you like before you would like something considered racism?
There is no history of black people of all ages being followed around in stores?
http://youtu.be/MVqJmvV3CKc
Count Dookkake
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I would prefer you stop arguing with a straw man.
Folks who are paying attention will note that I have made no claims about the prevalence of racial profiling in stores.
Not sure why you claim otherwise.
It's just hard to tell. None of us work there. If the Manager ONLY followed black teenagers around, then it would be grounds for racist behavior. If he followed around any group of teenagers (regardless of skin color), then he's someone that treats teenagers differently than other customers (something that is actually quite common in that industry).
Only employees that work there would really know the habits of this manager. The video doesn't give us enough information. The only thing we can conclude is that for these specific customers, he was following them around. They might assume he's following them because of their skin color (rather than their age) - which is understandable. But actually making the claim that he's doing it solely because of that, is a stretch. Although then again, maybe they shop there a lot, and they know more than we do.
Mammoth Jones
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I'm used to it. Shit don't even phase me anymore. Thankfully in gettin older so I don't get followed as much. But I notice there's a "class" element to it. If I'm wearing my corporate clothes in a store I never get followed. If I'm in my hood gear I get followers like Pikmin.
PaulExcellent
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Reminds me of when I was followed at one Walmart when I was in the electronics section. He started following me as soon as he saw me, and followed me for 20+ minutes while I looked for some printer cartridges, a new fax machine, and a flash drive. When I was looking at some of the $20 bargain bin games, while having a cart full of other stuff, the individual following me grabbed the game that I was looking at from my hand, and asked me "Do you plan on paying for that?"
I pushed the hell out of my cart, and left.
Fuck you, guy. Fuck you.
I pushed the hell out of my cart, and left.
Fuck you, guy. Fuck you.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Great OP. Yeah, I'll just leave this one youtube link right here and run.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
and That's So Raven
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I was kidding a bit when I used ageist. But then again, he could be. He could be racist. He could be both. I agree that there's not enough to go by from just this video alone. I even mentioned that we don't see the other kid. Maybe he had a basket or cart filled with food. But, I think it's just as bad going by this video which clearly labels this manager following them as 'racist'. Unless the kids have further evidence that this store manager might be racist, they are in a sense playing the race card.
Heh people would be surprised how often they are being watched... Especially with ceiling mirrors. If you are a suspected thief, you may see one person following you (primarily as an attention grabber) but there could be another 2 or 3 just keeping eyes on you from a distance.
It definitely may not be a racist thing. Fact remains, that it's still fucked up what he's doing which is the main point to take from this vid.
He's right though, just for the sake of discussion, I'd say it's best not to jump to conclusions especially when this sort of thing does indeed happen to old vs young people all the time. There's nothing about this vid that suggests that it was most likely fueled by racism considering the situation.
He's right though, just for the sake of discussion, I'd say it's best not to jump to conclusions especially when this sort of thing does indeed happen to old vs young people all the time. There's nothing about this vid that suggests that it was most likely fueled by racism considering the situation.
cheststrongwell
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I had a Dollar Store employee follow me out of her store, through a mall, and into Dillard's once. She confronted me in the middle of a busy isle and demanded I return the stuff I stole. I showed her I didn't have anything and she just spun around and ran away. I felt kinda bad for her because tons of people were watching.
I had a black roommate that told me this happens to him a lot. I would be pretty angry if this happened to me over and over.
I had a black roommate that told me this happens to him a lot. I would be pretty angry if this happened to me over and over.
If you think about this event in a vacuum, maybe it makes sense to argue, "Well, it could be age and not race."
He's right that we can't know whether racism was what motivated the store manager to follow these teens around the store - but that's true about every single incident when this happens. At some point you have to observe the larger societal context, note the fact that the black (male, especially) experience of being stalked around stores is nigh ubiquitous, and conclude that, yes, it probably is a reasonable position to think that racism was key here. It's certainly not a wild-eyed and irresponsible position to take.
But I'll think about reading the book, Dookkake.
Count Dookkake
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And, I'd like to make it clear, in case anyone is feeling particularly imaginative, I have not once denied that racism could be a factor, or even the only factor, in this incident.
Aaaand, thumbs up, Mums.
Aaaand, thumbs up, Mums.
Definitely. I'm just saying for the sake of discussion here, I think it's best to take the position of what this person is doing is messed up in general, with adding in the possibility of racism. Rather than only sticking with the racism aspect of it, because then you get a situation like we have right now.
yep...
black white Asian, its doesn't matter... walking around aimlessly on private property, could pose a risk to other shoppers, rude obnoxious behavior by the public, can be quelled by following them. If they don't like it they can shop somewhere else. But do know, that private property, even though its a store, management can pretty much follow you around, kick you out, ban you from the store etc. because its private property.
Well whose fault is that? That's like beating up a kid every day then criticizing him for always shielding himself.
"I was just stretching! You're so paranoid!"
Ingueferroque
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Yeah, I'd love to see security footage from before they started recording themselves.
The Faceless Master
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so basically nothing but white hoods with torches shouting 'die nigger die" qualifies, and only after the alleged hooded racists pass background checks and sarcasm detectors...
ProfessorLobo
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Hey man you don't know it's a race thing you're not helping matters. You don't have any proof it's not just an attorney thing.
I didn't claim you said that. Your statement "Calling out racism when it is not present does not help matters." implies that there was no racial component to this video and no one has a reason to think otherwise.
I posted a video to show that blacks have been racially profiled while in stores so for people to assume that these kids were being followed because they are black does not mean people are playing the "race card."
Janocube writing something ignorant in a thread about black people? Youuuuuuuu betcha
Awwww, a fan. And this thread is about black people? I could have sworn it was about white manager doing his job and being labeled a racist. But hey, however you wanna spin it.
Yes all of the ignorance you spout in threads that have anything to do with black people is quite interesting. You want to talk about how a racist video is "some harsh truth" some more?
Are there no black people in it? I would think you of all people would notice the black people in the video.
Lets be real Jango, You know full well what he meant.
Alligatorjandro
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I dont think i've ever been followed around in a store. If I have I havent noticed.
Vermillion
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Mm, same.
Oh, he judged me on another argument where we disagreed? I don't know his posts or what he's ever said.
And to jump to a conclusion on this manager is a little odd considering the circumstances.
yea if you've ever been into a clothing store then you were watched and followed. they're really aggressive and shameless there. most people don't notice it because adjusting racks doesn't look out of place. in a food store like this it is really obvious what he is doing. liquor stores, corner convenience stores will also never let you out of their sight. you can go into any of those and watch them watch you.
i must've actively noticed it hundreds of times growing up and i'm white. i've always been really aware to it though. i'm sure black people are sensitive because of being black as well, but it is just something done commonly. white people steal as much as any and loss prevention knows it.
Big Baybee
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I've had this happen to me so many times. Especially when I was a teen/20-21 year old with braids. Now as a 28 year old clean cut adult it only happens sometimes.
I have never had an argument with you, but I have sure as shit read all of the ignorance you post in threads about racism involving black people.
Nose Master
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I see this happen a lot at my store. That manager has no subtly though, holy fuck. I don't know if he's that dumb, or he's trying to be intimidating.
To play Devil's Advocate a bit, he's probably seen some shit. Teenagers, in groups, tend to steal shit. I'm sure the fact that they were black had a lot to do with it if the area is predominantly white, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, I'm pretty sure I know what store chain this is. I didn't watch the whole video, though.
To play Devil's Advocate a bit, he's probably seen some shit. Teenagers, in groups, tend to steal shit. I'm sure the fact that they were black had a lot to do with it if the area is predominantly white, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, I'm pretty sure I know what store chain this is. I didn't watch the whole video, though.
Ninja Scooter
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Manager is an idiot. Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt that's he's not a bigot and instead just has issues with teenagers stealing, WTF is he doing to accomplish doing what he is doing? Is he going to confront a group of teenagers brazen enough to steal while he's following him around like that? They'll probably just beat his ass. Hire a security guard or LP you dumbass.
Nose Master
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He's not planning on confronting them, he's just reminding them that they're being watched. And being an asshole about it. Most people will just not steal, rather than get in a fight, when they're followed around like that.
Trojita
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Why can't I find the post you quoted?
Ninja Scooter
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Yeah but these kids weren't being sneaky or shady at all. At some point they even asked him why he was following them, and were holding out there phone to show that they were recording him. At that point, it's time to realize these kids are probably not thieves and move along. Meanwhile there were probably some other people (perhaps of a lighter skin shade) somewhere else in the store actually stealing while he's wasting his time acting like the ghost from PacMan.
Nose Master
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It's probably the most exciting part of that old dude's day. He can go home and tell his wife about how he single-handedly took down an organized crime ring in his store, and get an uninterested handjob as a reward.
Random aside: People are super fucking racist. Almost every day I get a "I think that guy's about to steal something, man" "...no, he's just a black guy."
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