Halo 2 made me want to get a 360 Halo 4 makes me think I can pass on Xbone

Caja 117 said:
Halo 4 is the reason I end up selling my xbox 360 and Im buying a PS4 for next gen.

Halo 4 might be a decent FPS, but the changes made to the MP, small changes of elements that have been there as well as expanding the Armor Abilities aberration killed of my interest in Halo.

Anyone that has been player Halo multiplayer since Halo CE or Halo 2 days will also hate halo 4.
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Same here.

I'll still follow the development of Halo 5, but now I have a wait and see attitude as opposed to the instant pre-order of past games. For me to be interested they'll have to go back to a pure Halo style of MP, and I don't have much hope for that now.
 
Toxi said:
Could you explain to me, who has not read The Thursday War, why the Didact talks about getting revenge on humans?

Because they certainly didn't explain that well in the game.
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You need to read the forerunner trilogy for that ;) The thursday war says close to nothing about the reasons of the didact. The didact hates the humans, as he believes that they(/we) are the cause of the fall of the forerunner empire.
 
Dark FaZe said:
I almost wish they'd take on the task of becoming a direct competitor to Battlefield at this point as I think we need a AAA rival to that series and I just think that you can't get any better than CE, 2, and 3 from an arena shooter standpoint.
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I'd love a PlanetSide-style Halo, set on a Halo installation, with 3 playable factions - Covenant, UNSC and Prometheans, maybe throw in Flood as an NPC environmental hazard in certain areas.

I remember when I first heard the name 'Halo Wars', I'd hoped it would be a Halo MMOFPS. Ended up being a decent enough RTS though, lol.
 
Werhil said:
Same here.

I'll still follow the development of Halo 5, but now I have a wait and see attitude as opposed to the instant pre-order of past games. For me to be interested they'll have to go back to a pure Halo style of MP, and I don't have much hope for that now.
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Yep couldn't stand the MP for Halo 4

Although i heard they patched it and made it miles better but well they had their chance and I didn't want what they were selling etc.

I'm waiting until a friend has the game before I buy it

Nothing short of playing it in a home environment is going to sell me on it at this point
 
Halo 4 had a good soundtrack though.

The gameplay feels downgraded to me but I guess it's because since Microsoft is rebooting the series 343i felt like they needed to limit the amount of awesome weapons and vehicles and save them for 5 and the others.
 
Randolph Freelander said:
Under your own rules, you apparently can never say you're done with a franchise until the franchise itself is dead. For me, it's much simpler. I'm done with Halo, because the story and gameplay have moved off in directions I simply do not care to follow. I'm done with Mass Effect, because the ending of 3 compeltely and totally killed any goodwill I had with the series before and there is no point continuing. They can make Halo 5 and Mass Effect 4 the "best games ever," and it doesn't change the fact that I am just not interested. There are a lot of good and great games I'll never play, and I'm OK with that. I only have so much time, let alone time I want to devote to video games. I don't exist for the hobby.
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No, that's not what I meant. While I respect that you look at it this way, I'm more of a 'first look' kind of guy before I totally turn my back on a franchise. I just don't see the need to dismiss it too fast before I get to see what's under the hood. If it's bad, I'm done, If it's good, then I'm there.
 
OP makes a good point, at least it resonates with me. Other than Titanfall there's nothing I really must have on the Xbone. And I can get that on the PC or the 360.

Let me add, there's also nothing that I must have on the PS4 either. Killzone looks good but I can wait for now.
 
Caayn said:
A couple of major difference between AAs and equipment. AA =/= equipment

- Every one spawns with AAs, and not 1 but 3. Support upgrades/Tactical packages are under the same category, albeit passive.
- Equipment was static and relied on map control in order for one to obtain it. Their was a fixed amount of equipment available at one time.
- Equipment can only be used once before you need to fight for it again. AAs can be constantly used.
- AA are not available to everyone, depending on SR-rank and are completely random. As there is no way of knowing what kind of AA your opponent has.
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I didn't say it was perfect, they should tweak the system but I don't think they should eliminate it. AA, just like equipment, can make for interesting enemy encounters, especially during objective games.
 
LOL @ Opinions

Halo 4 makes me want Halo 5 which will be on Xbox One. One of only a few reasons I will get an X1 like Titanfall and the Halo TV show.

Loved the
-soundtrack
-art style
-story

Hated
-Prometheans
 
I think that Halo 4 is a great Halo game, I don't think I enjoyed it as much as previous games , but I think that was me rather than 343i.

I do feel for them though, they were trapped between a rock and a hard place with Halo 4.

Making the same game and be criticised for lack of innovation or make a new game and be critiscised it is too different.
 
TheOddOne said:
No, that's not what I meant. While I respect that you look at it this way, I'm more of a 'first look' kind of guy before I totally turn my back on a franchise. I just don't see the need to dismiss it too fast before I get to see what's under the hood. If it's bad, I'm done, If it's good, then I'm there.
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The problem is that the first look means investing 500 dollars in a console for a game that is probrably going to have the same stuff that is making people move on to begin with.
 
Lazaro said:
Halo 4 had a good soundtrack though.

The gameplay feels downgraded to me but I guess it's because since Microsoft is rebooting the series 343i felt like they needed to limit the amount of awesome weapons and vehicles and save them for 5 and the others.
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Halo 4's soundtrack felt incredibly generic and soulless from what we had previously with Marty O Donnel. I can't recount a single track from Halo 4.
 
Caja 117 said:
The problem is that the first look means investing 500 dollars in a console for a game that is probrably going to have the same stuff people are moving on to begin with.
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Ugh? No. Look more deeply into impressions and videos and form your opinion. If you are a Halo fan you know the basics and can spot the blemishes from a far. Especially now that you dislike 343's direction with 4.
 
I'm in the same boat, i bought a 360 in order to play Halo 3 but with how bad 4 was and Bungie going multiplat i see no reason to pickup a X1.


Halo 4 was so damn bad, i will never understand how this could happen, you almost have to do that on purpose.
 
TheOddOne said:
What? Halo 4 having effect on people not buying Halo 5 (and Xbone) is one of the sub-subjects that this thread is about.

My point wasn't invalid or unrelated in any sense.
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I don't think your understanding the concept of the thread here unless I am failing in a epic fashion to gather your meaning. Of course the last experience you had with a product is going to effect the likelehood of your purchase for the next movie,book, or game. That doesn't mean that people that were once fans won't change their mind when we know more about 5 it just means the skeptism isn't impelling them to pick up a XboxOne immediately
 
Halo 4 and gears judgement made me not be so concerned that I would miss out if I went to PS4.

Destiny and the division being demoed on PS4
controllers
has made me want to get a PS4 over an xbone.
 
TheOddOne said:
Ugh? No. Look more deeply into impressions and videos and form your opinion. If you are a Halo fan you know the basics and can spot the blemishes from a far. Especially now that you dislike 343's direction with 4.
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Yes, but that means buying next gen 1 year from now, in my case, Im buying next gen this year.

Last gen it was an easy decision, at least for me, Halo 2 was a good multiplayer, so I didnt need impressions to tell me to get an xbox 360 and not a ps3.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
I don't think your understanding the concept of the thread here unless I am failing in a epic fashion to gather your meaning. Of course the last experience you had with a product is going to effect the likelehood of your purchase for the next movie,book, or game. That doesn't mean that people of the games won't change their mind once we know more about 5 it just means the skeptism isn't impelling them to pick up a XboxOne immediately
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How did you get that from my post? Where did I imply that people won't change their minds? Of course that could happen. I really didn't say anything too controversial, in simpel form I just said that I rather take the wait and see approach before going hyperbolic 'this franchise is dead to me'.

Caja 117 said:
Yes, but that means buying next gen 1 year from now, in my case, Im buying next gen this year.

Last gen it was an easy decision, at least for me, Halo 2 was a good multiplayer, so I didnt need impressions to tell me to get an xbox 360 and not a ps3.
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I'm sorry if this sounds dickish (isn't meant to be), but good I guess? None of the upcoming consoles have anything compelling so I'm looking super critical at most games.
 
Agreed, and buying an Xbox 360 was worth it just for Halo 3 alone. But after Halo Reach and Halo 4 being such disappointments and changing the series I'm not looking forward to any more Halo games.
 
My HaloGAF peeps have basically already said what I wanted to, so I'll just say I feel the same as you, OP. I went from 100% onboard for next gen Xbox to not caring at all after Halo 4. Turned me off the franchise.
 
TheOddOne said:
How did you get that from my post? Where did I imply that people won't change their minds? Of course that could happen. I really didn't say anything too controversial, in simpel form I just said that I rather take the wait and see approach before going hyperbolic 'this franchise is dead to me'.
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Ha then what are we debating.
I didn't mean to sound offensive I just thought you were trying to apply a reductionist statement to the whole thread. Sorry if I misunderstood
 
Halo is the reason why I choose X1. Yes, Halo 4 is shit. Not because of the graphics or even the level design, but because the new weapons and enemies are totally annoying and forgettable. To only have three new enemies in the first place and then screw them up so badly, make them so not fun to fight speaks of how overthought the game is. 343i was scared and thus they lost the goal out of their sights and listened to all their devs that came from games like Call of Duty and Bioshock and MGS that wanted to change the way Halo is. Halo doesn't need change. Or do it right and change everything. Halo 4 is a game that wanted to be a new Halo and somewhere down the road went back to being an old Halo and ended up doing the worst it possibly could: Be neither. There's hope that Halo 5 will make up for that. They just need to shut up all those people saying Halo needs change and do a game like Halo 3. Because that's the high point of the series.

But until then I have recently discovered my new addiction, Halo Mega Bloks.
 
CraftySkills said:
Halo 4's soundtrack felt incredibly generic and soulless from what we had previously with Marty O Donnel. I can't recount a single track from Halo 4.
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Really?

Atonement
Gravity
To Galaxy
Revival
117

I prefer Marty's stuff but there's some memorable tracks to Halo 4 as well. It has its own sound.

venne said:
Put me in the camp that says Halo 2 was the worst Halo.
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Playing it again on PC sealed the deal for me - just couldn't capture me at all, even with crisp graphics at 60fps. I just never liked the dual wielding, and that's also what brings Halo 3 down a few notches for me.
 
I feel like 343 had two options going into Halo 4 that would have satisfied me as a Halo fan from a multiplayer perspective.

1. Go back to the Halo 1 or 2 roots of the series and strip the game of the things Reach introduced and put a focus on community features like a more robust map maker or custom game browser
2. Go off in a new direction and try and make Halo 4 its own unique FPS

Instead they chased the call of duty market and and expanded upon armor abilities and loadouts by introducing perks and kill streaks. The game was received well critically but the online community is all but dead before the game is a year old.

I'm interested to see what 343 do with Halo 5 but I can't count on Halo being a game to be excited for at this point.
 
Halo 5 is quite a way off and I think a lot "lost interest in the franchise" people will inevitably return, even saying the franchise has gone to shit to help validate your reasoning for getting a PS4 is a bit strange. But everyone is cool to have an opinion. Just a bit sad when a lot of great stuff is happening with Halo, TV series, Dark Horse comics, multiple projects at 343i which are bound to Halo orientated.

Can't wait until Destiny comes out but I think it will scratch a very different type of game compared to what Halo is.
 
The decline of the Halo franchise has been the most depressing thing I've witnessed in my time of playing games. Still, Halo 1-3 were some of the greatest games ever made, and nothing will change that for me.
 
Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat as the OP. I didn't have internet of any sort when Halo 2 came out.

It was just me and three of my friends cramped up playing split screen on a small TV. Those sessions were some of the greatest gaming experiences I've had, and I bought a 360 mostly for the next gen Halo games.

It was a main reason the 360 was my main console this gen. I spent countless hours playing 3 and Reach and met most of my online friends from those games.

Halo 4, idk. It was a decent game, not groundbreaking and definitely didn't leave a lasting impact on me, (or any of my friends for that matter since just about all them stop playing 3-4 months after release) like Halo 2 did.

Since Gears of War is in no man's land, and Fable is going MMO, Halo is/was the only franchise that would have me second-guessing my pre-order. (PS4)

Maybe in a year or so if they bring back Invasion and the ranking system from Halo Reach, I'll bite. Not right now though.
 
I loved Halo 2 and Halo 4 is the only Halo I've liked since 3. I will have to wait and see with 5, but it will be awhile before I'm ready to drop money on an Xbone.
I actually liked all the Forward into Dawn stuff and Spartan Open. I guess I'm more interested in the story than the game...
 
Copenap said:
Imo 343 played it save with Halo 4 and that's ok, it was their first try at a huge franchise but I hope they take a bit more risk with Halo 5.
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Didn't they bow to focus groups who didn't like the sci-fi weapons of the new alien enemies?

I wouldn't hold my breath for big risks unless you mean bigger boobs for Cortana.
 
In my opinion Halo 4 has the best multiplayer by far of the Halo series. For me, I get my enjoyment primarily from the MP so I was very pleased with the latest installment. As far as the single player and storyline are progressing it was so-so.

It does seem like they will need to breathe new life into the franchise for Halo 5 though, I can't see them making another game without a change to the gameplay to draw players in with. They added the perk system last time, I wonder if they will continue following trends of BF and COD and go with the whole "levolution" thing or some such. I really hope they come up with something more original though.
 
Stinkles said:
By putting in MORE sci-fi weapons?
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I think he means making the weapons simple analogues to human weapons for accessibility purposes.

Alien shotgun, alien smg, alien pistol, alien long rifle. Nothing as creative or crazy as a needler or brute shot. The making of videos admitted as much.

Whoever designed the Promethean cannon thing was pure evil though. Nuke + secondary splash nuke? OK, **that's** nutballs :)

(and I loved the railgun btw - even if it fired projectiles a bit too slowly. Going on a revenge rampage with that thing was just all kinds of satisfying)
 
Mothman91 said:
holy fuk, worst first post ever?
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Seems like an acceptable opinion to me. With the uncharacteristic visual bugginess, troublesome multiplayer balancing, cliffhanger ending and confused expectations based on some early promotional materials, I can understand criticism of Halo 2 (even though I enjoyed it).
 
Stinkles said:
By putting in MORE sci-fi weapons?
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By making them more sci-fi. Quality of Quantity. The weapons feel way to familiar to come from a civilization that has lived for more than millions of years. They should be more unique like the needler for example. Unique but not as crazy like the weapons from the Ratchet&Clank series. The Bullseye from Resistance would be a great starting point for example. It's alien, unique, and yet it has a good level of familiarity.
 
Maybe Halo 2 is to Bungie as Halo 4 is to 343. Weren't they both rushed? Both introduced new enemies that were bulletsponges. Didn't the Halo CE multiplayer folks rage at some of the changes made?

Not sure - it feels like a long time ago. But I wouldn't judge Bungie as a whole by Halo 2 just as I think its not best to judge 343 as a whole with Halo 4.
 
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