UKIP political leader described as "racist" and "fascist" by teachers when he was 17.

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Reminds me of Mitt Romney assaulting someone for being gay when they were in college. Some people may think 17 years of age is too young for Farage's current attitudes to be informed by them, but for me this is just another tiny crumb to add to the mountain of evidence the guy and his party are BNP-lite.

http://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism

In the late 1970s and early eighties the Ukip leader was a pupil at Dulwich College in south London, one of Britain's most prestigious schools. Channel 4 News has uncovered strong evidence that teachers at Dulwich thought Nigel Farage was "racist", and "fascist" or "neo-fascist".

We have a long letter (below) written in June 1981 by a young English teacher, Chloe Deakin, begging the master of the college (head teacher), David Emms, to reconsider his decision to appoint Farage as a prefect. Deakin did not know Farage personally but her letter includes an account of what was said by staff at their annual meeting, held a few days earlier, to discuss new prefects.

The letter says that when one teacher said Farage was "a fascist, but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect," there was "considerable reaction" from colleagues.

The letter continues: "Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views; and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson. This master stated his view that this behaviour was precisely why the boy should not be made a prefect. Yet another colleague described how, at a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs."

In his memoirs, Fighting Bull, Farage refers to the row about him being made a prefect, but says teachers were hostile because he was a great admirer of Enoch Powell, the former Conservative who had long spoken out against immigration.

Nigel Farage claimed to me today that he was shown Deakin's letter many years ago. He admits he was a "troublemaker" at school who "wound people up" with all sorts of views. He says some of the things he said may have been perceived as racist, but certainly weren't.

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Sadly this is not the least bit surprising. BNP-lite through and through.

That's not to say that being against immigration or against the EU are in-of-themselves views that require a fascist or racist mindset; just that it seems most who hold those views have one.
 
It is pretty bad, but at the end of the day he was 17. Things change. I'd rather judge him based on his and his party's awful, anti-science, insane policies.
 
What was whited out?

The only thing I read in there is that he offended someone and sang Hitler Youth songs and admired Enoch Powell.

Racist? Probably.

Neo-Fascist? Not convinced, especially when the word Fascist is applied so loosely and casually.
 
What was whited out?

The only thing I read in there is that he offended someone and sang Hitler Youth songs and admired Enoch Powell.

Racist? Probably.

Neo-Fascist? Not convinced, especially when the word Fascist is applied so loosely and casually.

And sometimes even the word racist.

I like what the guy has to say when he talks on the issues (modern day), and I agree with majority of Ukips policies (they're the most libertarian party we have). I do truly believe after reading through their website and listening to their talks, that they want people to have the maximum freedom and to be able to do what they want, but they aren't completely there with every policy.

I think it's a bit unfair to call him racist, I can't find any evidence of him speaking in the news or any interviews where he even remotely sounds it. Just saying things like we need better immigration policy and a non-open border policy doesn't make someone racist. He's always going on about Ukip being the only party that won't except anyone who's remotely related to racist/fascist groups. Whether this is true is obviously impossible to know unless you vet every single member, so I can only take his word for it now (an of course some slip through the cracks)
 
And sometimes even the word racist.

I like what the guy has to say when he talks on the issues (modern day), and I agree with majority of Ukips policies (they're the most libertarian party we have). I do truly believe after reading through their website and listening to their talks, that they want people to have the maximum freedom and to be able to do what they want, but they aren't completely there with every policy.

I think it's a bit unfair to call him racist, I can't find any evidence of him speaking in the news or any interviews where he even remotely sounds it. Just saying things like we need better immigration policy and a non-open border policy doesn't make someone racist. He's always going on about Ukip being the only party that won't except anyone who's remotely related to racist/fascist groups. Whether this is true is obviously impossible to know unless you vet every single member, so I can only take his word for it now (an of course some slip through the cracks)

Quoting other people's post from previous UKIP threads since I feel lazy

yeah i like to think of them as the bnp/edl for the middle classes

whereas the bnp talks from the farleft on economics to appeal to disaffected working classes, ukip talks from the far right to get middle classes excited. where the bnp and edl are more overtly violent and discriminatory, ukip couches their similarly exclusive vision for britain in largely more socially correct language or the jokey style of clarkson and co, as seen here, that's more palatable for a middle class audience who worry what the neighbours think.

CHEEZMO™;75179775 said:

UKIP is a party of racist pricks and little Englanders disguised a the party for the freedom loving medium class. Read: The British Tea Party.
 
And sometimes even the word racist.

I like what the guy has to say when he talks on the issues (modern day), and I agree with majority of Ukips policies (they're the most libertarian party we have). I do truly believe after reading through their website and listening to their talks, that they want people to have the maximum freedom and to be able to do what they want, but they aren't completely there with every policy.

I think it's a bit unfair to call him racist, I can't find any evidence of him speaking in the news or any interviews where he even remotely sounds it. Just saying things like we need better immigration policy and a non-open border policy doesn't make someone racist. He's always going on about Ukip being the only party that won't except anyone who's remotely related to racist/fascist groups. Whether this is true is obviously impossible to know unless you vet every single member, so I can only take his word for it now (an of course some slip through the cracks)

I agree. I think he is a good politcal speaker, regardless of whether you believe the message or not. Nothing in what he says has ever suggested he is either racist or fascist.

I don't know what to think about this. There are few things I've noticed, but can't go into it now as I have to go. Will comment later.
 
Quoting other people's post from previous UKIP threads since I feel lazy





UKIP is a party of racist pricks and little Englanders disguised a the party for the freedom loving medium class. Read: The British Tea Party.

If Sonic the Hedgehog likes UKIP that's his business.

But if you're going to try and convince him otherwise, at least do it yourself, Papa Funk.
 
So he was always a class A cunt then and not just the class A cunt he currently is. Well colour me surprised. In even more shocking news it sometimes rains in Britain.
 
Is it a bad thing that i went through a standard run of the mill comprehensive and whilst reading through the letter i am reminded of my secondary school?
 
And sometimes even the word racist.

I like what the guy has to say when he talks on the issues (modern day), and I agree with majority of Ukips policies (they're the most libertarian party we have). I do truly believe after reading through their website and listening to their talks, that they want people to have the maximum freedom and to be able to do what they want, but they aren't completely there with every policy.

I think it's a bit unfair to call him racist, I can't find any evidence of him speaking in the news or any interviews where he even remotely sounds it. Just saying things like we need better immigration policy and a non-open border policy doesn't make someone racist. He's always going on about Ukip being the only party that won't except anyone who's remotely related to racist/fascist groups. Whether this is true is obviously impossible to know unless you vet every single member, so I can only take his word for it now (an of course some slip through the cracks)
Ah, to be so naive about politics again.
 
look

before you judge, it's time for us all to be straight with each other and admit it

when you really get down to it, who among us, really, DIDN'T idolize hitler as a 17-year-old? i think if we're honest, nearly all of us did so. this is harmless youth stuff. thank you for your time
 
UKIP, a party that is being continously linked to far right movements, whose officers have been denounced for blatant, daylight acts of bigotry and racism, which can't help but light fires under its arse whenever they are asked to talk about immigration in clear terms, is lead by someone who used to sing (LITERALLY) to the tune of the Hitler Youth during his teens.

But somehow, he deserves (they deserve) some credibility. Because of freedom.

Excuse me while I fart in your general direction.
 
Is it a bad thing that i went through a standard run of the mill comprehensive and whilst reading through the letter i am reminded of my secondary school?

I got into my fair share of trouble at my school; a no nonsense grammar school and I've never had a letter worded quite as strongly or acridly as that one against my person.
 
What someone did at age 17 does not matter today.



Liberal media desperatly grasping at straws the day of UKIP conference. Nothing more.

Actually it just goes to show a pattern of behavior that still exists today. A man who once had a right wing ideology still has it to this day.
 
Nice timing, a UKIP MEP just had a meltdown.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...sluts_n_3961329.html?1379684630&utm_hp_ref=uk

First jokes that all the women in a conference designed to promote the advancement of women in politics are "sluts", then loses it at a C4 reporter and hits him over the head with a brochure. This brochure:



Video at the link.

Wow.

The sluts thing was obviously a joke but bloody hell you'd think a professional politician would draw the line at actually hitting someone on the head with a brochure, even if he's asking inane questions.

It wouldn't surprise me if internally they have some kind of Reputation management workshop where they all practice not saying stupid things.

Or if they don't they ought to jesus.
 
And the BNP were quick to trot out several years ago that they had a Sikh member IIRC. Doesn't make them any less racist
 
Actually it just goes to show a pattern of behavior that still exists today. A man who once had a right wing ideology still has it to this day.

It's more interesting because it shows how fascists have embraced the libertarian/euroliberal indetity as a way to disguise themselves and push their ideals. It's the exact same thing in Spain.

Classic fascism has an awful rep in Western Europe, so old school ones have embraced the small government, personal freedom spiel while keeping a very business friendly attitude. Of course, once they come to power their old, ugly views resurface very quickly...
 
Not to mention "I have black friends" is a handwave used by many racists. That phrase along with "I'm not a racist but..." is normally accompanied by some of the most disgusting, hateful drivel
 
It's more interesting because it shows how fascists have embraced the libertarian/euroliberal indetity as a way to disguise themselves and push their ideals. It's the exact same thing in Spain.

Classic fascism has an awful rep in Western Europe, so old school ones have embraced the small government, personal freedom spiel while keeping a very business friendly attitude. Of course, once they come to power their old, ugly views resurface very quickly...

So what you're saying is that they are racist Libertarians. What does Fascism have to do with any of this.
 
UKIP, a party that is being continously linked to far right movements, whose officers have been denounced for blatant, daylight acts of bigotry and racism, which can't help but light fires under its arse whenever they are asked to talk about immigration in clear terms, is lead by someone who used to sing (LITERALLY) to the tune of the Hitler Youth during his teens.

But somehow, he deserves (they deserve) some credibility. Because of freedom.

Excuse me while I fart in your general direction.

This is all true. The are a number parties that some might consider far-right in the 'Europe of Freedom and Democracy group' which UKIP also belongs to. However, Nigel Farage was quite adamant recently about leaving the group if a politician wasn't removed for racist comments about a black politician. For that reason, what Nigel Farage's personal views are, isn't exactly clear. UKIP are/were a small party, so I can understand them wanting to join forces with other anti-EU parties to bolster their presence within the EU parliament.

As I said earlier there are actually black (and also asian) UKIP members. This is something they are very keen to show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt9uDZF24x8
 
What I'm saying is that there are actual fascists trying to pass as libertarians. And that as demonstrated time and time again, UKIP is a magnet for them.

I agree actually UKIP is a magnet for right-wing extremists. Their policies, while not being outright racist, are certainly attractive to those types of individuals.
 
It's more interesting because it shows how fascists have embraced the libertarian/euroliberal indetity as a way to disguise themselves and push their ideals. It's the exact same thing in Spain.

Classic fascism has an awful rep in Western Europe, so old school ones have embraced the small government, personal freedom spiel while keeping a very business friendly attitude. Of course, once they come to power their old, ugly views resurface very quickly...

What I'm saying is that there are actual fascists trying to pass as libertarians. And that as demonstrated time and time again, UKIP is a magnet for them.

This is pretty sad. Guess being a Libertarian makes me racist (despite being an ethnic born in the uk). (Not a jab directly at you but many people who I speak to will just say 'why you siding with the racists)

These people in Ukip are outspoken about their political views. If you actually broke down what they say and analyze rationally, instead of thinking about everything with an emotional stance, you'll see how much sense it all makes.

These guys were the first lot to truly warn about the dangers of creating a singular and very powerful superstate like the EU, and when you look at the evidence, you can see how country after country is falling apart. They want each country to be self governed and make its own laws, yet they're called fascists. How does this make any sense?
 
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