Marvel
could never
Ah yes I suppose you are right my friend.
I pirated 360 games and MS banned me, what the hell?
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Ah yes I suppose you are right my friend.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Great, thanks.
I was somehow under the assumption that they make your Xbox unable to function.
To most people they are the same thing.
there we go case closed. OP was lending the account to other people to recover and copy games.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Not going to lie...that cookie looks good
TheActtionFigure
Member
All the white knight defenders here are the same type of people that defend the outsourcing of jobs and the such. You people are the REAL criminals. This was clearly Microsoft's screw up, and you fools have the nerve to come in here on some "holier than thou" nonsense and defend them? Go to hell! If something is made FREE, even by mistake, go for it! These corporations literally have shareholder meetings discussing the best ways to screw you over and here you are sheepishly defending them.
I hope you all enjoy the neo-capitalist hellhole boot lickers like yourselves have facilitated for us all, because in a couple of years you're gonna wish that you were able to get something for free.
I hope you all enjoy the neo-capitalist hellhole boot lickers like yourselves have facilitated for us all, because in a couple of years you're gonna wish that you were able to get something for free.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
The Red Wizard
Member
So call it unethical, not theft.
Rock Gotti
Banned
cancel preorder for the Xbone, get a PS4.
Whats the problem?
Whats the problem?
Alessandro
Member
For what it's worth it, I've used the chinese exploit for Assassin's Creed 3 and I'm still going. Haven't used any Oman account though.
you should read OP's replies
This is what I was talking about
polyh3dron
Banned
The only thing feasible from here on out. Take his business elsewhere to vote with his wallet. This is bullshit. He's purchased fuckloads of content that is gone forever.
English isn't his first language..
He clearly stated more than a few times that he just helped his friends on their 360s and their accounts to do this. Not some game sharing or other things you guys are thinking.
Then maybe he shouldn't have tried to distribute stolen marketplace goods. This is probably why there hasn't been more banned accounts due to the Oman scenario, most people are downloading the content for themselves and NOT then go stupidly try and distribute it to other people
We're all making assumptions, you're assuming the OP is an angel and is telling the truth. All we know is that MS investigated his account and banned it. There's so many posts on their Console Banned support forums saying things like,
People lie.
OP even admitted himself that he broke the TOS, so he (or yourself for that matter) shouldn't be surprised that he was banned because he knowingly did something that could get him banned in trying to distribute stolen marketplace goods.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81948245&postcount=243
papercan55
Member
Jezbollah
Member
Looks like the OP got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
OP also found out the hard way that you dont pay for the downloads of your Live games -but for the license to play them - licenses you void if you break TOS.
This does highlight a big downfall of digital distribution vs purchasing physical media though.
OP also found out the hard way that you dont pay for the downloads of your Live games -but for the license to play them - licenses you void if you break TOS.
This does highlight a big downfall of digital distribution vs purchasing physical media though.
For god's fucking sake, the Oman incident did not involve any theft. Don't use words if you don't understand what they mean.
Roland Deschain
Member
Nothing to do with the Oman thing. No one else got banned.
Celestial Mortal
Member
Well what can be done...
Sell off your collection, it's time to break bad.
Sell off your collection, it's time to break bad.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I still want the link to his xbox forum threads for the laughs
yet all his posts here and on other forums are clearly legible. I think its clear he tried to cheat the system and got burned. he simply trying to avoid the wrath of gaf by lying about it. I think the OP is going to be all
when he wakes up. maybe he'll try to spin the truth like others have in the past and end making an entertaining thread.
Jezbollah
Member
They can still get the console based upon network MAC address.
polyh3dron
Banned
And now all of his legally digitally purchased stuff (50 games) is gone. That's not cool IMO. I'm not saying that MS shouldn't take some action here, but yanking 50 games that he bought?
I've been trying to think through the logistics of a "Bill of Digital Rights", which outlines the rights a consumer *and* provider ought to have, locking down policies which are reasonably fair for *both* parties.
One topic I'm going back and forth on is redownload rights. On the one hand, denying the right to redownload is *effectively* cutting off a player from their purchased games, and that's a no-no in my Bill of Rights. On the other, though, the right to redownload is permitting access to a service the provider gives, and the provider should have the right to deny people access to any service if they're abusing it.
Of course, this is ultimately the problem at the heart of current implementations of digital distribution: The provider *absolutely* deserves the right to deny you access to a service, but the user *needs* the service to be able to use their purchased product. I do have an implementation which ought to work (seperating out the "ownership rights" of the game from the "download rights" of the service), but it's kinda complicated. Still, I do think it mops up most issues with Digital as it currently stands and doesn't significantly favour either party.
Fundamentally, I do agree that digital distribution is an inevitable future, but I also think that the policies and legality surrounding it need to be adapted to more closely mimic the physical model while not denying providers reasonable rights to block people from their service.
One topic I'm going back and forth on is redownload rights. On the one hand, denying the right to redownload is *effectively* cutting off a player from their purchased games, and that's a no-no in my Bill of Rights. On the other, though, the right to redownload is permitting access to a service the provider gives, and the provider should have the right to deny people access to any service if they're abusing it.
Of course, this is ultimately the problem at the heart of current implementations of digital distribution: The provider *absolutely* deserves the right to deny you access to a service, but the user *needs* the service to be able to use their purchased product. I do have an implementation which ought to work (seperating out the "ownership rights" of the game from the "download rights" of the service), but it's kinda complicated. Still, I do think it mops up most issues with Digital as it currently stands and doesn't significantly favour either party.
Fundamentally, I do agree that digital distribution is an inevitable future, but I also think that the policies and legality surrounding it need to be adapted to more closely mimic the physical model while not denying providers reasonable rights to block people from their service.
I want to see a case about console / account banning taken to the eu court. I'm pretty sure that Microsoft won't be allowed to do shit like this here.
Banning people about usernames or even showing their dick on a cam is stupid as well. Change their username to something random and block their cams / Headsets, but don't take away the possibility to access their purchased content.
Banning people about usernames or even showing their dick on a cam is stupid as well. Change their username to something random and block their cams / Headsets, but don't take away the possibility to access their purchased content.
My stance is that *banning* in those situations is absolutely reasonable - these are people actively making the service less pleasant for others. The problem is not that the ban happens, as such, it's that the ban also restricts access to purchased content.
I don't quite understand this, if you really don't want users to do something, design the system so they can't. If you really expect the average guy to understand or even read ToS you're a bit optimistic.
Not sure what the problem is, revert the offending actions and inform the users of their "mistake", if they're a repeated offender, disable that functionality. Unless you're an arrogant dick and prefer to kick off customers (someone who buys 50 games IS a customer).
And stop with the bullshit stealing arguments, how many people would be in jail now, taking advantage of various unintentional discounts in physical stores? Bro you totally shouldn't have stacked those coupons, it's jail time for you!
Of course this wouldn't be NeoGAF without people speculating for 18 pages if OP is a liar or not. Blame Microsoft for posting a vague as fuck ban message instead of pointing out the exact transgressions.
Not sure what the problem is, revert the offending actions and inform the users of their "mistake", if they're a repeated offender, disable that functionality. Unless you're an arrogant dick and prefer to kick off customers (someone who buys 50 games IS a customer).
And stop with the bullshit stealing arguments, how many people would be in jail now, taking advantage of various unintentional discounts in physical stores? Bro you totally shouldn't have stacked those coupons, it's jail time for you!
Of course this wouldn't be NeoGAF without people speculating for 18 pages if OP is a liar or not. Blame Microsoft for posting a vague as fuck ban message instead of pointing out the exact transgressions.
The Living Tribunal
Member
Uh? You are kidding, right?
I think a temporary month ban should be given in those cases but not permanent bans unless the user repeats the offense.
Then that's the average guy's fault, if they can't be bothered to read the ToS then they can't really defend themselves when they do something that goes against the ToS. Ignorance is not an excuse.
Why lose access to content you paid for when doing something completely unrelated?
jakonovski
Member
Welcome to the digital future and the new normal! As evidenced by this thread, there's now an entire generation of gamers that thinks it's completely cool for their gaming activities to be under surveillance. And they feel it's their duty as consumers to safeguard corporate profits, under threat of having all their legitimate purchases voided, with no money back.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
If you show nudity in a game of uno you should get a permenant ban. There are kids playing on there. And plus... WHY?
Why lose access to your games though? Microsoft would need to pay back your money then.
I haven't had chance to play the games I downloaded on oman account, either on it or my regular account, yet. Sincerly hoping this wasn't in relation to that. Aside from this thread's OP and the guy in the oman thread who gameshared a season pass, has anyone else had issues/been banned?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Cant he play the games offline? His xbl account is what got banned I believe.
Canis lupus
Member
Its insane that a ban can take away your right to access your purchased content. I dont think Steam or other services work like this?
How many people can you share your game with? I've done this a lot on PS3, never got into any trouble. I think Sony is far more relaxed with the bans, but they need to ban those cheaters and trophy boosters.
How many people can you share your game with? I've done this a lot on PS3, never got into any trouble. I think Sony is far more relaxed with the bans, but they need to ban those cheaters and trophy boosters.
Why should they ban for trophy cheating? Who gives a fuck?
I think when you get banned on steam you still have access to your old content but can't buy new ones or something?
Can he still download games that are not on his HDD? What if he bought Xbox Live Gold? Does he get any compensation?
He probably can't access his download list anymore either.
Did he use his normal account for this cause that seems kinda stupid. Banning both his console and his account for that doesn't seem fair though. Can't they just remove the free games from his account? Sure he'd still be able to play them but he can still play them now as well can't he... Just not re-download them, removing them from his list would've had the same effect.
Not necessarily. Just because hundreds of people aren't getting banned doesn't mean a few 'eyed' customers might not be. Perhaps MS just want to make an example out of some people and not do a wholesale culling of their userbase.
I also remember some other instance where Microsoft were banning people due to people exploiting a mistake they themselves made. Perhaps it was with Forza or something? I forget. But I do think its happened before.
when an update banned my gamer tag(Microsoft let me change it for free) I couldn't even get to the dashboard, an error pops up saying to contact support.
fitzawesome
Banned
That's what I did.
They banned my account because there was no money on my credit card for one month. Then they proceeded to tell me the only way to get back on is to buy 6 months of Gold. I was pissed at their money grubbing ways of 'giving' me a free month of Gold without telling me and then acting like I asked for it.
So I preordered a PS4 and am currently just using my brother's PS3 to play current gen games. Can't wait to make the move come the end of November.
Correct: at worst you're blocked from purchasing, gifting/trading, redeeming product codes and Steam Community, however you can still access the games you'd previously purchased.
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