It's not like theft. In the case of digital games and most online shops, you make an offer to buy a product at the listed price which the seller accepts or doesn't. In case of an open store, you don't make an offer to buy the product at the listed price, you steal it. So stop with this bullshit if you don't know the difference between a purchase and theft. Taking advantage of pricing errors is not theft.
I pirated 360 games and MS banned me, what the hell?
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It's not like theft. In the case of digital games and most online shops, you make an offer to buy a product at the listed price which the seller accepts or doesn't. In case of an open store, you don't make an offer to buy the product at the listed price, you steal it. So stop with this bullshit if you don't know the difference between a purchase and theft. Taking advantage of pricing errors is not theft.
Conflict NZ
Member
Please quote the section of the TOS that states this.
I went back and looked through that other thread (Oman one) and I was wrong, it is not the same poster. My bad. The stories and emails are identical other than the email address blacked out. They are different email addresses and you can see that the ticket number on the bottom of the email does not match the one from the Oman thread.
The poster in there does say that he and his friend we banned at the same time while they were playing WRC Powerslide. The stories seem almost indentical though. So either the OP of this thread is the friend or we are getting trolled something serious.
Note that in the other thread the poster
"Plain Ben" says he has posted on the Xbox support forums and will let us know when he hears something. That was last week. No comment back from him about it. Pretty big topic to not post about. But hey people get busy.
The whole tone of these two posters read very similar to me. Maybe I'm seeing more than is there but I noticed it right away.
The poster in there does say that he and his friend we banned at the same time while they were playing WRC Powerslide. The stories seem almost indentical though. So either the OP of this thread is the friend or we are getting trolled something serious.
Note that in the other thread the poster
"Plain Ben" says he has posted on the Xbox support forums and will let us know when he hears something. That was last week. No comment back from him about it. Pretty big topic to not post about. But hey people get busy.
The whole tone of these two posters read very similar to me. Maybe I'm seeing more than is there but I noticed it right away.
Yep, it's not the Oman thing, it's game sharing.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Well, no you wouldn't. You'd pay a fine, most likely.
But this is more like, "I've been a loyal customer, I stole something, now I'm banned for life and they walked into my house and took back 90% of what I legally bought from them."
I don't really OK stealing--particularly in an industry as strapped for cash as this--but being banned from games you honestly paid for irks me. It should irk everyone. All this "that's what you get" is silly.
That is... Extremely suspicious. OP, explain?
He is not trolling anybody, he is just angry because he lost all his purchased games/DLC he bought legally just because he downloaded some FREE game from Oman store.
BadAss2961
Member
A quick google search reveals that sharing season passes is possible on PSN with 1 other person. Just like regular game sharing.
Dang. My bad. Maybe not on 360 then??
I did an edit above after reading that old thread.
If I'm not mistaken the OP is trying to say that he went and helped some of his friends make their own Oman accounts so they can also download the game.....not game sharing or anything like that.
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles OP. I wonder if there's anything wrong with the thread you made on the MS Forum for them to reject it
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles OP. I wonder if there's anything wrong with the thread you made on the MS Forum for them to reject it
JennyTablina
Member
IMO you were lucky to get that money back. Because your account is your responsibility. If you knew she had access to your account and you didn't remove the card details asap after breakup well...
But Sony didn't do it to spite you. They did it because the account had been compromised and you reported it. What was to stop it happening again? You could of avoided it by getting the ex to stump up, or accepting the mistake you made in leaving a furious (and immature) ex with your finance details and move on with account in tact
Way to create more paranoia about your digital system MS, when you could just remotely disable the offending games. I'm happy that I'm going PS next gen, and I'm legitimately concerned about my XBLA collection which contains probably 100ish titles. I replaced the laser on my XBOX 360 disc drive, am I going to somehow be fucked out of 500-1000 dollars worth of purchases at some point in the future? I dunno.
But I'm going mostly STEAM next gen, and PS4 for some cool console exclusives. I just can't do it anymore with worrying about BC and getting banned for fixing your own equipment, or whatever.
But I'm going mostly STEAM next gen, and PS4 for some cool console exclusives. I just can't do it anymore with worrying about BC and getting banned for fixing your own equipment, or whatever.
Of course. The console ban is only related to XBL and simply means that anybody who uses it cannot access the service, regardless of their account standing.
Great, thanks.
I was somehow under the assumption that they make your Xbox unable to function.
Glorious_Paradox
Member
Wow. Shit like this is just one more reason that I'll happily avoid all Microsoft consoles in the future. They seem like a soulless corporation on a massive power trip right now, and genuinely seem to care more about making money and screwing over legitimate customers than actually adding value to their products. I mean, "Live Enforcement", seriously? Wow.
No matter what rules he broke, he shouldn't lose access to the games he legally purchased. That's just straight up bullshit.
No matter what rules he broke, he shouldn't lose access to the games he legally purchased. That's just straight up bullshit.
That's somewhat correct. You technically can't share a season pass, as that's a service tied to the account itself, but once the DLC from said pass is out you can "share" it to one person just like everything else.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
How does that work? Is it tied to the console? Cause I know on plenty EA games when they had it on 360 it was tied to gamertag. That makes it seem pretty impossible unless season passes work differently according to game.
edit: Someone answered above
I don't think Microsoft is allowed to revoke legally and rightfully purchased licenses. Don't think that would hold up in court.
What they may do is to go to court to say that the purchase was based on a pricing error and thus ask for the removal of the license.
HellsimusPrime
Banned
I think taking the games OP paid for is ridiculous, regardless of what he did he still paid for those games.
This coming from Microsoft doesnt surprise me, i mean they ban people for playing games before release date and other weak ass reasons.
If i were the OP i would just charge back the cash, Europe dont care for bullshit corporate laws(TOS) and neither should any gamer. Lets all cry for the poor billion dollar company.
This coming from Microsoft doesnt surprise me, i mean they ban people for playing games before release date and other weak ass reasons.
If i were the OP i would just charge back the cash, Europe dont care for bullshit corporate laws(TOS) and neither should any gamer. Lets all cry for the poor billion dollar company.
It's where you go, "O, man, they banned my console and account!"
A pricing error is where something gets marked as 80% off instead of 50%, not where content gets marked as free when it clearly shouldn't be (especially when you have to jump through hoops to obtain it).
What about Metro for $0.01? That strikes me as theft.
It my not be the textbook definition of theft but it sure as hell is unethical
SmokinGunZ1981
Member
Ah could you let the rest of us know what he got banned for then.
Nope. Marking something down to 0£ might either be a promotional offer or a pricing error. It's nothing else, sorry. Your 80% definition is some arbitrary attempt to make a distinction which does not exist. Making use of pricing errors is absolutely legal but such purchases can be challenged in court.
I also can't find anything about creating accounts in countries in which you don't reside is illegal (it definitely isn't) or against the ToS (some people claim it is but nobody brought up any evidence for that).
If you think it's unethical, that's something completely different and unrelated to the question of legality.
Just getting annoyed with people posting crap, sorry.
sakipon
Member
Yup, this is getting suspicious. Suddenly we have 2 guys banned, both try to claim innocence and blame the free games from Oman. Neither of them bother requesting the actual reason from MS or atleast they won't show it to us. Meanwhile thousands of other downloaders remain untouched by MS.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's one or few people making things up and trying to scare people from downloading these games.
They can't and don't, he can still play the games offline.
Being said, I don't think they should ever ban for store mistakes, even super shady ones like the Oman one.
Interesting theory.
Read the OP.
He doesn't provide a legitimate reason for a ban.
SmokinGunZ1981
Member
The OP is saying he is not sure why he got banned, but as you think it's justified you obviously must know why.
I scored more than $2k worth of games for free thanks to 2011's Ubishop stuff-up, which Ubi later honoured:
This is most likely for season pass sharing, again, that shit probably automatically flags you for banning as very easy to detect
Downloading games on foreign accounts when they are free has been happening for the last 8 years, no one has ever been banned, ms could restrict sign ups by geoip but they don't
Downloading games on foreign accounts when they are free has been happening for the last 8 years, no one has ever been banned, ms could restrict sign ups by geoip but they don't
I don't disagree with pricing errors or the taking advantage of - it's nice to have a win
I don't actually even disagree with most of what you have said and I think not being told while you are being banned is definitely quite shady.
Unethical vs legality are indeed two different subjects.
I just think if you go and obtain 20-30 games/dlc/season passes (quick scan of the list from Oman) for free (when they clearly shouldn't be) you really need to think through what the potential ramifications will be (whether they will be fair or not)
NOTE: Not implying OP / whoever in question has done this
Also, I don't think my original post was "crap"
yup online pricing errors is on Microsoft and they choose not to care about it. all they do is fix the error.
duping digital content across consoles is on the user and can result in a ban.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Seems the OP was banned for item purchase duplication. If I had to guess, I'd say the OP was sharing a season pass or DLC.
If it was for downloading 'free' games, you'd see hundreds of people complaining and every single gaming site flooded with stories of unfair bans, but we're not seeing that, so I think it's perfectly safe to say that the OP did something that's unrelated to the downloading of free games.
Palette Swap
Member
I'm probably missing something but being banned, you can't access your download history and thus only have access to whatever games you had on your HDD at the time of the banning. This effectively deprives you of GoD and XBLA purchases and is pretty shady in itself.
Banning your account for taking advantage of pricing errors is not a legitimate action when no illegal actions have been performed by the user. That's why you don't see any bans related to that.
I don't think anyone is entitled to these pricing errors, but such purchases need to be challenged in court and not via a ban.
With crap I was more referring to people saying it's theft or stealing things from an open store.
Miles Quaritch
Member
It very likely wasn't. You'd see significantly more bans if it were. Don't forget that details for it were virtually everywhere within a couple of hours. HDUK, CAG, GFAQ, etc.
Fair enough, I know there are definite laws around pricing errors that protect both companies and consumers though
I agree that Banning is not appropriate in the first instance.
Thanks for a good discussion
Well the email in the OP states the reason being "Marketplace Theft" and then he also posted in the Oman thread: "I took it from 3 different consoles to 3 different people. You CAN take it, just follow tutorial/instruction." (credit to statham)
Looking at the Xbox forums for the reasons as to why some people got console banned, some of them are:
"- Repeated unauthorized account recovery or usage
- Offering to buy, sell, lend, or transfer an account
- Attempts to commit fraud
"
This would fit the bill for marketplace theft.
On another note, that support forum is a funny and good read.
Looking at the Xbox forums for the reasons as to why some people got console banned, some of them are:
"- Repeated unauthorized account recovery or usage
- Offering to buy, sell, lend, or transfer an account
- Attempts to commit fraud
"
This would fit the bill for marketplace theft.
On another note, that support forum is a funny and good read.
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