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[ksdixon]

I have my gamer profile downloaded to my brother's consoles. But they largely go unused, and even if I am on and one of them log on as me I get kicked off of XBLGold anyway. Am I 'sharing my account' in this manner, or is that something else?

 

[pants]

Kind if hoped there would be consequences for taking games like that. Sucks but you played with fire.

Gem of a post mate, I hope you're proud of yourself.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Can he still download games that are not on his HDD? What if he bought Xbox Live Gold? Does he get any compensation?

I think he gets nothing. His console and account is banned he can only play with what he got offline. The reason I think they ban the console too is because he had already tried or downloaded something while violating the tos.

when an update banned my gamer tag(Microsoft let me change it for free) I couldn't even get to the dashboard, an error pops up saying to contact support.

I had my GT banned before (not recently so things may have changed) but I just made a new profile and was doing things as normal until the ban was over.

 

[Dambrosi]

Yes, removing access to is 50 purchased games seems very reasonable when Microsoft made a mistake and gave away a free game.

No chance Microsoft should have just removed the single free game though, right?

Grab a Playstation, they don't really mind if you download the Saudi Arabia games on PS+ as well as the normal PS+ games.

Whoa. whoa, wait - what's this?

 

[Jakabok]

Would sharing the free games between the Oman account and your regular account count as sharing? Or do they use the same gamertag?

 

[Impeccable]

Gem of a post mate, I hope you're proud of yourself.

Why is everyone so offended that I felt there should be a reaction to taking games like that?

I never said the punishment fit the crime.

 

[Canis lupus]

Why should they ban for trophy cheating? Who gives a fuck?

I think when you get banned on steam you still have access to your old content but can't buy new ones or something?

Its the principle, why should cheaters not be banned? Doesnt matter if they ban or reset their accounts, cheating shouldn't go unpunished.

Also its great if thats how Steam works, should be a standard.

 

[kartu]

Yes, removing access to is 50 purchased games seems very reasonable when Microsoft made a mistake and gave away a free game.

Ditto.

PS
Considering class action lawsuits are effectively impossible in US anymore, yeaahaa...
That "all digital" future please, come sooner. My ass is ready...

 

[Family Fry]

I have my gamer profile downloaded to my brother's consoles. But they largely go unused, and even if I am on and one of them log on as me I get kicked off of XBLGold anyway. Am I 'sharing my account' in this manner, or is that something else?

If your brother downloaded something with YOUR profile onto HIS xbox, then you logged onto your account and re-download the content onto your console, that could lead to some trouble.

It would mean you would have to be online to play the content but your brother could play offline as the license is tied to his console.

This would be game sharing and against ToS, I believe?

 

[Silly.Mikey]

So he goes against the policy rules and then is stunned and angry when it backfires? Yes this is certainly microsofts fault...

 

[big_z]

Would sharing the free games between the Oman account and your regular account count as sharing? Or do they use the same gamertag?

all profiles on the console that the content was downloaded on is fair.
recovering your oman account on another xbox and re-downloading it for other profiles on that system to use is not fair.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

If your brother downloaded something with YOUR profile onto HIS xbox, then you logged onto your account and re-download the content onto your console, that could lead to some trouble.

It would mean you would have to be online to play the content but your brother could play offline as the license is tied to his console.

This would be game sharing and against ToS, I believe?

Do MS allow this? I tried this a long time ago with a digital title with a friend and some drm messgae popped up permitting him from playing it.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

People try and get free shit all the time when companies screw up, have you seen the threads on deal websites where amazon or other companies accidentally mess the price of something up, and everyone jumps on it hoping they'll honour it. Amazon dont ban peoples accounts then.

All he did was try and get some free games, and then try and get some free shit for his mates. Crafty but aren't we all at times? Then his account is banned indefiitely by microsoft, his FIFTY games and console are now gone, probably well over a grand there, and somehow this response is proportionate and reasonable from MS.

Tbh its to be expected of a company like MS, but the posters here actually defending them? WOW. You do know MS aren't gonna read this shit and reward you white knighters with points or games.

 

[pompidu]

I avoided downloading digital games off of xbox for this very reason. I shouldn't have to memorize a TOS to play my games without the fear of getting all my shit banned.

 

[fabricated backlash]

All those legally bought DD games being taken away as well is BS though

You OWN those

You don't. You're always at the mercy of those criminals.

 

[Delusibeta]

I'm not familiar with Sony, Nintendo, Valve history. So does Sony, Nintendo, Valve banned as well for similar actions which gamers exploit through their loopholes?

Generally speaking, if they have a pricing error on digital stuff, they all tend to honour it. I know for a fact that I've picked up a couple of regionally restricted PS+ games due to errors on their side, and have yet to face any repercussion for that.

Also, do note that Valve no longer removes access from your games if you get banned from Steam, you just can't activate or buy new games. (Don't confuse Steam bans with VAC bans, which never restricted your ability to buy new games, or trading bans, which are self explanatory)

 

[ksdixon]

all profiles on the console that the content was downloaded on is fair.
recovering your oman account on another xbox and re-downloading it for other profiles on that system to use is not fair.

So I'm ''safe'' to play the free games I got with the oman account on my main profile without fear of marketplace sharing banning?

People try and get free shit all the time when companies screw up, have you seen the threads on deal websites where amazon or other companies accidentally mess the price of something up, and everyone jumps on it hoping they'll honour it. Amazon dont ban peoples accounts then.

All he did was try and get some free games, and then try and get some free shit for his mates. Crafty but aren't we all at times? Then his account is banned indefiitely by microsoft, his FIFTY games and console are now gone, probably well over a grand there, and somehow this response is proportionate and reasonable from MS.

Tbh its to be expected of a company like MS, but the posters here actually defending them? WOW. You do know MS aren't gonna read this shit and reward you white knighters with points or games.

This is this thread's OP you're talking about? So this isn't specifically related to doing the Oman trick once for yourself?

 

[Doc Evils]

Time to join #teamsony op.

 

[DieH@rd]

there we go case closed. OP was lending the account to other people to recover and copy games.

He said few times in this thread that he did not share his accounts to anyone. He told 3 different people that they can get Oman games.

His English is not great.

 

[Senor Kami]

Meh, you broke the rules and got punished. Sucks to be you but that's as far as I'm willing to go. You always had the option of not breaking the rules.

 

[Lettuce]

Welcome home

WTF!!!! You cant turn the console on via the pad next gen????....im out!!!

 

[yatesl]

It's crazy that they take away games. Blocked from online, fine, but you should be able to access your purchase history.

I've bought 145 XBLA/Games on Demand games on my profile. If that got banned, for whatever reason, and my Xbox broke... All that money, gone.

 

[Ledsen]

Yup, this is getting suspicious. Suddenly we have 2 guys banned, both try to claim innocence and blame the free games from Oman. Neither of them bother requesting the actual reason from MS or atleast they won't show it to us. Meanwhile thousands of other downloaders remain untouched by MS.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's one or few people making things up and trying to scare people from downloading these games.

OP paid by Microsoft to scare people?

 

[KissVibes]

All the white knight defenders here are the same type of people that defend the outsourcing of jobs and the such. You people are the REAL criminals. This was clearly Microsoft's screw up, and you fools have the nerve to come in here on some "holier than thou" nonsense and defend them? Go to hell! If something is made FREE, even by mistake, go for it! These corporations literally have shareholder meetings discussing the best ways to screw you over and here you are sheepishly defending them.

I hope you all enjoy the neo-capitalist hellhole boot lickers like yourselves have facilitated for us all, because in a couple of years you're gonna wish that you were able to get something for free.

This is not even in the same league and fuck you for trying to say it is.

 

[fabricated backlash]

It's crazy that they take away games. Blocked from online, fine, but you should be able to access your purchase history.

I've bought 145 XBLA/Games on Demand games on my profile. If that got banned, for whatever reason, and my Xbox broke... All that money, gone.

Welcome to the wonders of DD

 

[Canis lupus]

all profiles on the console that the content was downloaded on is fair.
recovering your oman account on another xbox and re-downloading it for other profiles on that system to use is not fair.

Ah I see now. I was confused thinking that he had made a different oman account and still got his main account suspended. Well the OP should've done what he did with a new account, his console would get banned but atleast his main account safe.(considering MS didn't ban ALL accounts too)

 

[Palette Swap]

I've been trying to think through the logistics of a "Bill of Digital Rights", which outlines the rights a consumer *and* provider ought to have, locking down policies which are reasonably fair for *both* parties.

One topic I'm going back and forth on is redownload rights. On the one hand, denying the right to redownload is *effectively* cutting off a player from their purchased games, and that's a no-no in my Bill of Rights. On the other, though, the right to redownload is permitting access to a service the provider gives, and the provider should have the right to deny people access to any service if they're abusing it.

Of course, this is ultimately the problem at the heart of current implementations of digital distribution: The provider *absolutely* deserves the right to deny you access to a service, but the user *needs* the service to be able to use their purchased product. I do have an implementation which ought to work (seperating out the "ownership rights" of the game from the "download rights" of the service), but it's kinda complicated. Still, I do think it mops up most issues with Digital as it currently stands and doesn't significantly favour either party.


Fundamentally, I do agree that digital distribution is an inevitable future, but I also think that the policies and legality surrounding it need to be adapted to more closely mimic the physical model while not denying providers reasonable rights to block people from their service.

Great idea, that bill of rights. I've been thinking back and forth about white papering the current state of digital "ownership", if only because I always feel that in these discussions, people have no idea how other comparable services work.

Anyway, regarding your issue, I think you're facing that issue because your notion of "service" is too broad.

Let's say (and that's purely arbitrary) we split the service into 3 subsets:
1. social connectivity: essentially everything that allows the user to interact with other users, online play, messaging, activity feeds, posting on leaderboards, achievements, online gamercards, etc.
2. store: this is pretty much the access to your store front end and the ability to acquire new content. I'm saying "acquire new content" because it's not only buying games or additional content for these games but it also covers free demos, promotion videos and all that.
3. purchase history: I feel this should be designed to be treated completely separately from the rest for the very reasons we're discussing.

I do believe most misdemeanors can be dealt with without even touching that third subset because in most cases, you essentially want to separate people who don't play well with others.

Now, I think that third part should always remain accessible after a punishment, barring:
- revoking rights for wrongful purchases and this would apply only to said wrongful purchases. For example, someone exploited a store mistake to buy a game for free, revoking the rights for that one purchase doesn't sound unfair to me. OTOH, revoking the rights for every game ever bought sounds perfectly insane.
- (duh, forgot that one) refunding everything at the price it was paid for.
- exceptional situations where continued access to purchase management would endanger the integrity of your service (i.e. hacks from users banned from the other 2 parts).

I'm willingly not including account or game sharing in these exceptions because I don't believe there's any proportionality between the offense and the punishment. If anything, account/game sharing should either be prevented (or monetized) by the platform holder but should never prevent one person from accessing things they've bought.

I'm voluntarily limiting the scope to sustained access to past purchases in the case of sanctions because larger issues such as how economically sustainable a continued access to past purchases is are their own debates IMO.

 

[FloatingDivider]

This ban is likely caused by something different. I'll explain my anecdotally based reasoning.

Since I'm not planning on getting and xbone ever and am over MS in the console industry in general I was fine with my account getting banned. I have downloaded every game on the oman marketplace, even the ones I already owned. I have downloaded extras you can only access with an andorra account.

I have used the glitches to access Arkania(sp?) and Injustice. That's where most people stopped, but I have an account for virtually every region not on xbl to see if there's any more specific marketplace glitches.(it's a secret I can't tell you ). I've even tried to get a fake MOD10 credit card number authorized for one of those accounts so I could confirm the free purchases that required billing information to process. My console has been logged in to xbox live from every region available, I have accessed marketplaces I shouldn't have and I'm fairly certain I'm one of the worst abusers of this glitch and I have not been banned. In fact I feel like I should have been banned already considering the fact that I've retrieved several high profile just released titles from games on demand but nothing has happened. I will continue abusing the ever living crap out of this glitch until they ban me or this generation is over, it's their own fault for including one of the most retarded region locking schemes I have ever seen and implementing it in a way that is easy to abuse.

 

[Radec]

WTF!!!! You cant turn the console on via the pad next gen????....im out!!!

Overreaction and ignorance at its finest.

 

[EVIL]

WTF!!!! You cant turn the console on via the pad next gen????....im out!!!

of course you can, that's just to show the light strip turning on.

 

[cRIPticon]

So, I understand the disappointment of the OP and it sucks that he does not have all of the games DL'd that hey paid for, but he willfully tried to get something he knew he was not entitled to. I find it odd that he exclaims that he views MS keeping his unused points as theft, but does not view his downloading of games, that he knew he was not entitled to, as theft.

Again, sucks that you are banned, but MS has every right to ban for violation of their ToS.

This ban is likely caused by something different. I'll explain my anecdotally based reasoning.

Since I'm not planning on getting and xbone ever and am over MS in the console industry in general I was fine with my account getting banned. I have downloaded every game on the oman marketplace, even the ones I already owned. I have downloaded extras you can only access with an andorra account.

I have used the glitches to access Arkania(sp?) and Injustice. That's where most people stopped, but I have an account for virtually every region not on xbl to see if there's any more specific marketplace glitches.(it's a secret I can't tell you ). I've even tried to get a fake MOD10 credit card number authorized for one of those accounts so I could confirm the free purchases that required billing information to process. My console has been logged in to xbox live from every region available, I have accessed marketplaces I shouldn't have and I'm fairly certain I'm one of the worst abusers of this glitch and I have not been banned. In fact I feel like I should have been banned already considering the fact that I've retrieved several high profile just released titles from games on demand but nothing has happened. I will continue abusing the ever living crap out of this glitch until they ban me or this generation is over, it's their own fault for including one of the most retarded region locking schemes I have ever seen and implementing it in a way that is easy to abuse.

Sigh...it's users like you that are the first to complain when companies force more draconian DRM policies on their customers, only to stop people like yourself from exploiting a system that most feel they can abide by.

And the justification for your actions is that it's their fault that you figured out a way to exploit them? Great work there.

 

[therapist]

Marketplace Theft, almost certainly the Oman thing.

You took advantage of an exploit to get a game you were not entitled to, the punishment is expected and just IMO.

There's gonna be a lot of similarly upset people over this, but they all knew what they were doing.

Yup. You used an exploit to get free games and are shocked you got banned? Lol.

 

[raphanum]

WTF!!!! You cant turn the console on via the pad next gen????....im out!!!

Why wouldn't you be able to?

 

[JP]

Don't know if there's a connection to Oman thing or whatever but im furious!

 

[pixlexic]

Why are people still talking about the Oman thing ? Lots of people did that and they are not even temp banned.

Also the people talking about going to psn need to google psn perms ban.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Yup. You used an exploit to get free games and are shocked you got banned? Lol.

Why should he be banned? Did he force MS to make this mistake? Banning from the server perhaps, but banning him from playing games - regardless of their "legitimacy" - is downright criminal.

 

[dose]

They've reversed bans with complete proof of purchase.

So that means you're guilty before proven innocent. What a great system.

 

[keit4]

If this was about the Oman thing, why is not GAF burning? A lot of people took advantage of the exploit in this forum.

BTW, this thread turned into a Sony PR talk very quick.

 

[cRIPticon]

Why should he be banned? Did he force MS to make this mistake? Banning from the server perhaps, but banning him from playing games - regardless of their "legitimacy" - is downright criminal.

Willfully violating the ToS to get games he knew he was not entitled to? How is it criminal for MS to ban him?

 

[Conflict NZ]

Willfully violating the ToS to get games he knew he was not entitled to? How is it criminal for MS to ban him?

Please quote the article in the TOS that states this.

 

[DedValve]

People still think its the Oman thing?

*sigh*...

 

[cRIPticon]

Please quote the article in the TOS that states this.

You mean, this part?

1.10. How can I use the Services? You agree that the Services are only for your personal use, and you will not use the Services, any content available on the Services, or your account, for any commercial purpose. You may only access the Services with an Authorized Device or by logging into your account online. You may be unable to use the Services outside the country associated with your account ("Territory"). You may not sell, assign, or otherwise transfer your account to another person. You must keep your accounts and passwords confidential and not authorize any third party to access or use the Services on your behalf unless we provide an approved mechanism. You must contact Customer Support immediately if you suspect misuse of your accounts or any security breach in the Services.

 

[i-Lo]

The biggest blow is not being able to access content that the Op paid for. This, a facet of DD alone should be made illegal.

People still think its the Oman thing?

*sigh*...

I am lttp. So what was it then?

 

[blitzcloud]

Why should they ban for trophy cheating? Who gives a fuck?



I think when you get banned on steam you still have access to your old content but can't buy new ones or something?

because cheating should be a bannable offense, specially given that cheating trophies equals CFW use.

 

[FloatingDivider]

Sigh...it's users like you that are the first to complain when companies force more draconian DRM policies on their customers, only to stop people like yourself from exploiting a system that most feel they can abide by.

Nah, I didn't really care about the DRM since it wouldn't really affect me. I do care about their americentric world view which equates the country I live in to a 3rd world ghetto that is unworthy of their attention or products. I also think that the fact that the redesigned xbox brand doesn't resonate with me at all is a big issue. I'm also bothered by the fact that they are restructuring all of their major platforms to push advertising while requiring subscription fees. I also don't like that they charge a standard fee for access regardless of the content you actually gain access too, my xbox live has been a ghetto since the start of xbl and it's still a ghetto now. The only noteworthy additions have been advertisements for local banks. So while I appreciate your MS apologist nature for what is is - I'd like to ask you to refrain from guessing my motives using your ultimately flawed logic.

And the justification for your actions is that it's their fault that you figured out a way to exploit them? Great work there.

In a nutshell yes, I will never feel guilty about employing loopholes or glitches in a system. Microsoft doesn't feel guilty about abusing loopholes in tax or monopoly law making, I don't feel guilty about abusing a loophole in their internal system architecture - if it bothers them that I can they should fix it.

 

[JaseC]

I am lttp. So what was it then?

searching around and following the OPs posts on other sites no one has gotten banned for the oman trick. the only bans have been due to people sharing the dummy accounts they created with friends and/or recovering gamertags to dupe content across consoles.
there are people that have been using these marketplace errors for years and they've had no problems.

the only other thing I found was on one forum where two other people were claiming bans but both accounts are newly created and activity is during the the same time so im guessing its one person making multiple accounts trying to scare people.

Though the OP maintains that this post was misinterpreted and he actually downloaded the game across three consoles using three separate accounts.

 

[Shiggy]

You mean, this part?

1.10. How can I use the Services? You agree that the Services are only for your personal use, and you will not use the Services, any content available on the Services, or your account, for any commercial purpose. You may only access the Services with an Authorized Device or by logging into your account online. You may be unable to use the Services outside the country associated with your account ("Territory"). You may not sell, assign, or otherwise transfer your account to another person. You must keep your accounts and passwords confidential and not authorize any third party to access or use the Services on your behalf unless we provide an approved mechanism. You must contact Customer Support immediately if you suspect misuse of your accounts or any security breach in the Services.

Under European law, you are allowed to sell your account with all of your game licenses. Goes on to show much these ToS mean..

 

[CouldBeWorse]

I am lttp. So what was it then?

It's what it ALWAYS is.

 

[mentalfloss]

So he goes against the policy rules and then is stunned and angry when it backfires? Yes this is certainly microsofts fault...

The other thing is that if Microsoft's TOS advises of a full ban for this kind of exploit, then they are fully entitled to it.

And while GAF has a good mind to defend him against heavy handed repercussions, if anyone disagrees with the rationale of the TOS then you need to find a good lawyer and fight it in court.

 

[cyberheater]

I avoided downloading digital games off of xbox for this very reason. I shouldn't have to memorize a TOS to play my games without the fear of getting all my shit banned.

Hyperbole much?

I've got loads of DD games on my Xbox. I've no fear of being banned. And that's because I don't abuse the system or do anything shady.

I used to lurk on the Xbox forums and every time you get some whinny Xbox user complaining that they got unfairly banned. It always turned out they tried to scam the system and got found out. Every single time.

The OP is not telling us the whole story.