I pirated 360 games and MS banned me, what the hell?
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Canis lupus
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A lot of people do give a fuck about trophies, there are whole communities built around them. People cheating with their profiles need to get banned or reset. It doesn't matter whether it affects you or not, its a growing problem that involves selling of modded save files and modded consoles who forfeited the right to get on psn, it needs to be dealt with. Especially when those assholes cheat to get real life rewards, the first winner of the Bid for Greatness auction(killzone sniper outfit) was a cheater and claimed he got 8500 trophies in a day
http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/accused-bid-for-greatness-winner-denies-cheating/
woo
That really isn't fair. I can't side with Microsoft on this in the least.
Most times its something else. I find it hard to believe that they saw the oman thing and all his legal purchases and decided his business wasn't worth it. Its something he didn't think he would get caught doing.
I'm so out of the loop since I haven't played a single video game since Skyward Sword.
Does this mean the PHYSICAL games OP bought i.e. in store purchases cannot be played at all? Like his Xbox is permanently disabled? Or can he just not play the games he bought digitally and online? So if he were to pop in a physical copy of NBA 2k, it won't work?
*confused*
Does this mean the PHYSICAL games OP bought i.e. in store purchases cannot be played at all? Like his Xbox is permanently disabled? Or can he just not play the games he bought digitally and online? So if he were to pop in a physical copy of NBA 2k, it won't work?
*confused*
His console will still work, just won't work with any game or download that requires accessing Live.
I'm confused though... if his console is banned does it mean he can't do anything? Or just that he cannot do anything while logged into LIVE?
If it is the latter then it's not as severe as I had thought, still, if OP thinks he was wronged he should get a lawyer or try to get a class action going for similar users to jump on to.
If it is the latter then it's not as severe as I had thought, still, if OP thinks he was wronged he should get a lawyer or try to get a class action going for similar users to jump on to.
Well, it's right there in the ToU:
They don't even need a legitimate reason. I'm not sure if these terms comply with the law, but they do, apparently.
Fried Food
Banned
break the rules and you accept all consequences
What rules did he break though, from the looks of it MS gave him a list of possible rules he may have broke, but didn't actually tell him.
Yeah, this is the kind of shit that happens in third world countries. He should be made perfectly aware of what he did wrong if he is to be banned. Have a generated message with relevant codes to what he specifically did wrong, and have a phone number, website or e-mail address that he can go to for further communication. You can't tell me 100% of these bans are legit, that mistakes have never been made.
Seriously, MS needs to go to court over their conduct, even if the OP broke the TOS.
Fried Food
Banned
MS doesn't ban accounts+systems that haven't been involved in against policy activities.
Fair enough. Should MS try to take the OP to court for exploiting a service they operate as well?
Well there was that Halo 4 incident...
Rawket Lawnchair
Member
Pro tip if you have to do a workaround to get something you're not supposed to have then be prepared to lose all your shit.
cyberheater
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See. I just don't get this. I've had a gold account since Xbox 360 launch and never had any problems. No one I know of who has gold (quite a lot of them) have ever had problems.
The only problems I've ever seen are those related to scammers and people generally trying to take the piss out of the system.
And what you do mean "lenient". You mean if you try to steal content or abuse the system are they less likely to ban you then MS? SMH.
They kinda already did. They are their own judge and jury in their land.... but we accepted the terms. What terms of ours did Microsoft accept?
Sir_Crocodile
Member
So you're saying MS doesn't make mistakes?
Because that kinda goes against my experience from using various MS software over the past twenty or so years.
The one where he "bought" a game early and was told he couldn't have a receipt because the cashier would get in trouble for selling it to him?
Losing complete access to all the games you've bought is just terrible and really brings up questions/worries that I have with regards to digital ownership rights.
Anyway, I do think there may be more to this story. Getting banned for just that Oman offense seems incredibly harsh. You should really try calling MS up, OP. As much as ppl complain about poor customer service etc., they're really not there to antagonize you. Even if they can't help you out much with the ban, they'd at least be able to provide you with a much clearer reason for it.
What. How is that fraudulent behaviour? My US account has fast become my primary account to check out new demos/updates on the PSN store because my region's PSN is terribly slow at updating the damn thing w/ the latest news/games.
And if any of the Big Three are compelled to term this behaviour as fraudulent then they shouldn't allow the multiple creation of accounts from different regions in the first place.
Anyway, I do think there may be more to this story. Getting banned for just that Oman offense seems incredibly harsh. You should really try calling MS up, OP. As much as ppl complain about poor customer service etc., they're really not there to antagonize you. Even if they can't help you out much with the ban, they'd at least be able to provide you with a much clearer reason for it.
What. How is that fraudulent behaviour? My US account has fast become my primary account to check out new demos/updates on the PSN store because my region's PSN is terribly slow at updating the damn thing w/ the latest news/games.
And if any of the Big Three are compelled to term this behaviour as fraudulent then they shouldn't allow the multiple creation of accounts from different regions in the first place.
Yet, there are many people who still have their account intact. The Oman thing wasn't that much of an exploitation, if anything it seemed that Msoft was doing a deliberate '' promotion'' in order to ban people.
It was still a legit retail game. The fact that MS can't tell if you are a playing a legit copy of a game or a pirated one means that MS shouldn't ban anyone for playing a game early. Their system does not work.
They kind of already did, but the problem is they are acting above the law here. If they are to carry out such actions against violators/potential violators they themselves need a "Code of Conduct" in giving EXACT notice as to what they did wrong. This is like the digital equivalent of Gitmo. You barely have any idea what you did wrong and/or what you are being accused of.
It wasn't exactly an isolated incident. Fair enough they unbanned people further down the road, but they still banned people with legitimate copies.
RoninChaos
Member
It's fucking amazing to me that people are okay with this. The ToS gets put on us, we can't contest any of it, and in situations like this there is no recourse.
Remember when EA was banning origin accounts because they didn't like what people said on their forums? So if you said something they didn't like you lost all access to everything you'd bought. That's fucked up and stupid. The fact that ms won't tell people why is even worse.
Getting an account banned permanently for being a douche? Expected.
Getting your console banned permanently for being used to commit said douchery? Well.. I guess I can see the 'why' even though I don't necessarily agree with it.
Having your game library go up in smoke? Sounds like a nightmare and most definitely as we keep going forward in the world of DD this should be changed.
Getting your console banned permanently for being used to commit said douchery? Well.. I guess I can see the 'why' even though I don't necessarily agree with it.
Having your game library go up in smoke? Sounds like a nightmare and most definitely as we keep going forward in the world of DD this should be changed.
That you would abide by their rules to use a service they operate. You don't need to use their stuff, but if you do you abide by their rules. Don't like it, don't use it.
People need to realise before posting that the only thing the OP has lost is access to Xbox Live. All digital and physical purchases can still be used as can the banned account.
Hard not to feel sorry for the OP as I know a few people who have had console bans but transferring content between multiple accounts is asking for a ban. You would of got away with the Oman stuff had you not shared the game with others.
Hard not to feel sorry for the OP as I know a few people who have had console bans but transferring content between multiple accounts is asking for a ban. You would of got away with the Oman stuff had you not shared the game with others.
Actually their system worked as intended. They put out a notice the month before that they would be banning anyone for pre-release play.
You're correct, absolutely correct. But my point is that the idea of a consumer Digital Bill of Rights should become something real. Something that all content providers should abide by. Right now it's 'lol too bad bye.'
It's the messed up idea that you don't possess anything but a license with content and it's creeping into other real-world items. We're going backwards.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Why? What purpose does that serve? Furthermore why is it necessary? Sounds like you proved his point - they can't tell the difference between legit and pirated.
Buy physical copies or keep backups of your digital files. They could charge you to redownload if they want as they still have to pay for bandwidth costs for each and every download.
Also, I think it's disingenuous to assert that companies have a lax attitude when it comes to severing ties with a customer. Companies want as many possible customers to maximize profits, correct? Sure, accidents happen, but in the case of the OP, he has admitted he was exploiting a loophole in their system and tried to get away with something he knew was risky.
Oh wow, they put out a notice. That makes their bullshit completely acceptable.
Seriously, no account should ever be banned from accessing games they bought. Ban someone from using communications, play games online, et? Fine. But they accepted the money, so someone should own what they bought. No exceptions.
They can't tell the difference these days when pirates take the proper precautions. But, like I said, those people weren't banned for piracy. I'm not defending their policy choice to ban them for pre-release play, so don't ask me why they did it.
Zumblakladla
Banned
Small update.
Beside that enforcement team ignored me whole morning and half of the day, no one from my friends list got banned, nor people who used this Oman exploit. All of them alive and good playing xbox atm connected to live.
I'm trying with support over the phone now. Hopefully they will help me.
Beside that enforcement team ignored me whole morning and half of the day, no one from my friends list got banned, nor people who used this Oman exploit. All of them alive and good playing xbox atm connected to live.
I'm trying with support over the phone now. Hopefully they will help me.
And you got caught. Interested to hear what they decide.
Zumblakladla
Banned
Probably because I was playing Oman games on my Primary account.
O man, what a bad joke!
Mugatu
Member
But banning the Omani account would revoke those games I think and end your access no matter what account you used.
Well it's up to MS how they do this I guess but that would make much more sense to me.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I don't know why this is so hard to understand for people asking "what about everyone else!?" This is how law enforcement works to a certain degree: People carrying marijuana, speeding, downloading illegal music, or other petty crimes. These are small "crimes" that many to most people/young adults commit, but not all of them get busted because of the sheer volume of these cases. However, a few people are often the unlucky ones and chosen to "make an example out of" to deter future people from committing the same crimes. This is just how it works. It's shitty, but hey, you drew the short straw on this one. Hopefully you get some sort of explicit answer or some lenience from support. There's nothing really unfair about what happened. Just really unlucky.
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