I pirated 360 games and MS banned me, what the hell?

alr1ght said:
It would be utterly stupid for them to ban the whole account. Valve just removes the game from your library if the key was stolen, etc.
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Does GFWL have the ability to revoke keys however?

mjontrix said:
If that's the case then we'd be seeing ALOT of posts like this... Now if it involved some Credit card fraud then this makes a lot more sense...
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It depends on how these keys were obtained, if it was through a stolen credit card, chances are he used this on his live account aswell


EDIT: It wouldn't be a permanent ban for Achievement Boosting, I boosted some Halo Reach achievements (DLC achievements are now extremely hard to get as they don't come up in Matchmaking and I was bothered about my gamer score ending in 2) and all I got was a ranking ban from the game for two days if I'm remembering, I could even still play online, just wasn't earning anything for it
 
Gestault said:
but we have direct evidence that he was achievement boosting (which is particularly banned because it means you're giving out your personal/account info to strangers)
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How does that work when achievement boosting? All he did was give out his gamertag? Its almost the same as someone on here sharing their gamertag to play online with someone, does that mean they should get banned too?
 
Achievement boosting is not going to get your account banned. These sites just get people together and often it happens in older games as those achievements are hard to come by with such low populations. But no cheats are used or anything like that.However if you use any of the exploits to unlock all achievements at once you can get banned. So if any of the games on his list look like they had many achievements unlocked at the exact same time then that could be a flag.
 
KillGore said:
Oh, I was not aware of that.

So are these PC games then? Are they legitimately bought? If so, what's wrong with that? and how does that relate to him getting banned on XBL?

Edit: Thanks btw!
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It's perfectly legal, but it's questionable whether it's allowed in the Steam TOS. You're not breaking the law, but you might be breaking the Steam Law™ if you are in the unfortunate situation of having "bought" (rented/leased?) a lot of stuff on steam.
 
Gestault said:
Considering OP said he did nothing he could think of that might cause the trouble, but we have direct evidence that he was achievement boosting (which is particularly banned because it means you're giving out your personal/account info to strangers), this means at the very least OP was lying,
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You have to be kidding me. Everyone on gaf needs to be banned.
 
Louis Cyphre said:
Looking through some previous comments in this thread and others from you it's clear you want all the blame to lie with Microsoft and not the OP.



That's the likely situation and it doesn't help matters we have those who have issues with Microsoft because they are a multi-billion dollar company trying to defend the OP.
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Yeah and you are trying to blame everything on the OP. How is that any different?

I just think no matter what the OP did, if he had legit games on that account and money he is entitled to get that back.
 
Maxim726X said:
Okay? That has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion you started. Thanks

Does Microsoft, or any other company, have the right to block you from something that you purchased and should therefore own.
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It all depends on how they were purchased. If he can back up his claims with receipts or some confirmation that makes him the original owner then he should be allowed access to them.
 
Achievement Boosting is far from warranting a permanent ban. I did that same stuff years ago on Halo 3 where you change your locale so it is easier to group up with people. Four years later and my account is unscathed.
 
foxdvd said:
A question to the OP...wahad987 is your xbox user name. When I did a search I found this thread..someone using that name was I guess selling region exploit cd keys?


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31428409&postcount=278

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CassidyIzABeast said:
ahhhhhhh daaaayyyyummmm



http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?p=5866182

OP was achievement boosting
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Case Closed.
 
Lucid07 said:
How does that work when achievement boosting? All he did was give out his gamertag? Its almost the same as someone on here sharing their gamertag to play online with someone, does that mean they should get banned too?
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I got the impression he was boosting in the sense of giving out his login info so someone else could earn him achievements. If it was just looking for people to play alongside and earn achievements by throwing games or whatever, that's different and I was mistaken.

That being said, it's technically against the ToS (and I think commonly known enough) in public playlists. The lack of transparency when all we have to go on is OPs credibility is still problematic. It looks like I may have misunderstood the specific infraction (I'm going to go back and edit to reflect this, thanks for pointing it out).
 
HellsimusPrime said:
Yeah and you are trying to blame everything on the OP. How is that any different?
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Please show me where I lay all the blame on him? I have said repeatedly "if" he did something against the rules while also saying he should still have access to games legally bought. We don't even know the full story here and you're ready to pounce on Microsoft because you have issues with them. Take your bias somewhere else.
 
Louis Cyphre said:
It all depends on how they were purchased. If he can back up his claims with receipts or some confirmation that makes him the original owner then he should be allowed access to them.
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Well, according to the OP (and clearly there is reason to doubt him) he legitimately purchased quite a few games.

With a banned console/account they're gone. That's fucking bullshit, IMO.
 
AtomicShroom said:
OP has obviously done something else to get banned from Live and doesn't want to admit it.
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I think this is most likely the case as well. But I still think its pretty damn shitty that they would take such a strong action and not tell you exactly what it was that triggered it. To say "It could be for one of the reason listed below... or maybe something else. And don't bother asking for more information because we won't tell you."
 
Henry Jones Jr said:
I think this is most likely the case as well. I think its pretty damn shitty that they would take such a strong action and not tell you exactly what it was that triggered it. To say "It could be for one of the reason listed below... or maybe something else. And don't bother asking for more information because we won't tell you."
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Right.

In theory, they can ban someone for no legitimate reason, offer no recourse or explanation, and block you from whatever content YOU purchased.
 
Why hasn't the OP asked for a ban reason on the Xbox support forums?

Regardless, it's obvious he's done something shady (that was basically confirmed over the last few pages here)
 
Maxim726X said:
Does Microsoft, or any other company, have the right to block you from something that you purchased and should therefore own.
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Yes. When you're using an online service, you're on their private property, and they can kick you out whenever you feel like it. When you "buy" digital games, you don't actually own them. You're only buying a license to use them, and this is made clear in the TOS.

Why do you think people rejected MS's original always-online plan with Xbox One? They want to prevent this from happening and be able to keep ownership of their games. Don't want your entire collection of games to be at risk? Then buy physical instead if leasing a digital license.
 
Maxim726X said:
Okay? That has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion you started. Thanks

Does Microsoft, or any other company, have the right to block you from something that you purchased and should therefore own.
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I made a ridiculous statement in response to another ridiculous statement. And the answer is yes if you are doing something against the TOS. As I said before they can catch you with a modded 360 that allows you to steal games and they will only ban your system not your account. The fact that he got both banned is telling us he was doing something worse than just downloading some free content.
 
Gestault said:
Considering OP said he did nothing he could think of that might cause the trouble, but we have direct evidence that he was achievement boosting (which is particularly banned because it means you're giving out your personal/account info to strangers), this means at the very least OP was lying, and knowingly lying to try to shift blame elsewhere.
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Achievement boosting isn't letting somebody onto your account to get achievements. It's sinply working with another person on XBox Live to help each other get achievements. This can be anything from "Play 20 online games" in a really old game that no longer has an online community, or "Get 100 headshots", where all participating players allow each other to shoot them in the head repeatedly.

Achievement boosting has never been against any rules, as achievements and gamerscore are completely arbritary.

Well, having a high gamerscore now entitles you to get MS points I think, but I'd still be amazed if they enforced any kind of restrictions/penalties.
 
I love how all you people are just dismissing the Oman theory. You don't know why he was banned so it could very well be the reason.

I mean the evidence is clear. Both the Oman and his main account are banned for the same thing, the other account is left untouched.
 
JESUS CHRIST, people.

Achievement boosting is basically getting groups of people together to try and do easy online achievements, not fucking hand out your damn account to get moar points.

Detective-GAF continues to be the worst part of GAF in terms of doing nothing. Congrats on searching his username.

It's possibly the Oman thing, which I avoided like the plague.
 
Lima said:
I love how all you people are just dismissing the Oman theory. You don't know why he was banned so it could very well be the reason.

I mean the evidence is clear. Both the Oman and his main account are banned for the same thing, the other account is left untouched.
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We're dismissing it because if that were the case there would be a MASSIVE ban wave occurring - and Microsoft has very little goodwill as it is - this would just completely blow up all over the place!
 
zoukka said:
Wasn't the oman crap against Xbox TOS?
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Apparently, but there is no official answer (at least not one that the OP has posted.) Nobody else appears to have been banned for the Oman thing and a perm gamertag ban + console ban indicates something more severe.
 
Maxim726X said:
purchased[/I] and should therefore own.
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Here is the key, you don't own anything that you buy digitally. Your purchasing a usage license that can be revoked at any time. There is no more right of first sale or any consumer rights on most digital goods because lawyers have crafted it in the TOS when you "buy" a game your just acquiring an indefinite license that they can revoke at their whim. Microsoft is perfectly within their legal rights to remove your access to any digital good you have purchased at any time for any reason.
 
Maxim726X said:
Well, according to the OP (and clearly there is reason to doubt him) he legitimately purchased quite a few games.

With a banned console/account they're gone. That's fucking bullshit, IMO.
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Easily avoidable. Don't knowingly, repeatedly and willfully break the ToS.
 
mjontrix said:
We're dismissing it because if that were the case there would be a MASSIVE ban wave occurring - and Microsoft has very little goodwill as it is - this would just completely blow up all over the place!
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What if it wasn't this single event that got OP banned, but rather a series of violations where the OP was given chances, with this one being the "third strike" that sealed the deal? OP was proven to be all-around shady as fuck. We'd need his past history to determinate why he was banned.
 
AtomicShroom said:
Yes. When you're using an online service, you're on their private property, and they can kick you out whenever you feel like it. When you "buy" digital games, you don't actually own them. You're only buying a license to use them, and this is made clear in the TOS.

Why do you think people rejected MS's original always-online plan with Xbox One? They want to prevent this from happening and be able to keep ownership of their games. Don't want your entire collection of games to be at risk? Then buy physical instead if leasing a digital license.
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Agreed, and it's bullshit. If I paid for something, I should continue to have access to it no matter what.

It's going to be a major issue in the future when media is largely digital content. 'Ownership' is going to have to be redefined.
 
AtomicShroom said:
What if it wasn't this single event that got OP banned, but rather a series of violations where the OP was given chances, with this one being the "third strike" that sealed the deal?
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The thing is no-one has gotten any violations yet for the Oman thing... unless I've missed something.

This thread is getting intense - Somebody Get Ja Rule on the Phone!
 
mjontrix said:
We're dismissing it because if that were the case there would be a MASSIVE ban wave occurring - and Microsoft has very little goodwill as it is - this would just completely blow up all over the place!
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They don't do ban waves anymore. They do it on a case by case basis now after the rewards program fiasco in 2011.
 
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