then don't, ffs.
Valve announces SteamOS
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then don't, ffs.
This is really a question of economics. Sony's business model has been to bleed money (sometimes profusely) selling you the hardware and spend more money in advertising that platform in the hope they can get you locked in to their ecosystem, buying games on your Playstation platforms that ultimately make them their money back.
SteamOS is explicitly a distinct ecosystem; Sony does not make money on games sold on Steam. The whole purpose of losing money in the first place is to get people locked in to their ecosystem, so this is antithetical to Sony's entire business model. This is also why SteamOS is not on the Windows Store, and why it's no on iOS; in all these cases, the purpose is to set up a locked ecosystem, and of course Apple and Microsoft and Sony have little interest in letting a direct competitor set up shop right inside their own business.
If Sony were to change their business model dramatically, then sure, this is a possibility. But the more likely partners for Valve are companies that do not have ecosystems which directly compete with Steam, like Samsung or Google. I can certainly imagine, as a very simple example, Samsung TVs coming with SteamOS built in 3-4 years from now the way they currently come with Netflix and Hulu.
Not bad.
They might get more market penetration and awareness with Cleveland Steamer though.
What with it being a known brand and all.
*cough*
Uh, Sony is putting Uncharted on PC, last I checked.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=684513
Sure, it's through a streaming service, but Uncharted will most likely be playable on PCs within a year or two.
And Valve has a streaming app too, apparently. I could almost see them exchanging game streaming apps. That'd be fun. Not that Sony needs Valve's help to get a game streaming app on the PC, but hey.
Uh. While I do understand Streaming from PC to living room, why would I Stream PS4 on my desktop? Since the PS4 needs to be running anyway i'd rather take a few steps and lay on my couch to play.
childplease
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Any increase in performance is welcomed by us pc gamers.
that extra performance can be used to make games even more demanding.
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
in layman's terms, could this be the beginning of the end for me using windows? I only use windows for steam at this point. Can't stand windows 8
Vestal
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The more expensive Steambox will allow you to dual boot and play the games natively in Windows, or stick with SteamOS if you want to play those games.
I feel like this is an attempt at an OS placed on low-end machines to have a high-end steam experience. Thats where the benefit of Linux and the streaming comes in. I could see Valve using this as the trojan to then launch a very cheap mini-PC designed to hook into the TV and act as a fully operating computer with performance benefits windows couldnt give them along with the High-end desktop gaming experience.
I think this could be megaton.
I think this could be megaton.
Only if you don't currently own a lot of PC games. Otherwise this is kind of worthless for you unless you don't really care about your current library.
The quote is talking about Gaikai. You'd be streaming PS3 (and PS1/2/PSP) games from Sony's servers without a need for any Sony hardware in your house whatsoever.
Uh, Sony is putting Uncharted on PC, last I checked.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=684513
Sure, it's through a streaming service, but Uncharted will most likely be playable on PCs within a year or two.
And Valve has a streaming app too, apparently. I could almost see them exchanging game streaming apps. That'd be fun. Not that Sony needs Valve's help to get a game streaming app on the PC, but hey.
So you interpreted "we are considering possibly putting [unnamed games] on other devices in the future" as "Uncharted is coming to PC?"
We're into stratospherically high speculative territory here.
More money? The same incentive they have to port on PS4, XB1 and every other gaming machine on earth
except WiiU /troll
That should be a given, because Windows & Linux have it right now
(though linux on my old laptop does not
)
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
ah. :/ I have like 65 games on steam. which is a lot for me.
grosvenor_92
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Didn't expect this to be announced but it sounds interesting none the less
Kamakazie!
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It means exactly the opposite. Only having to upgrade 1 PC. The rest can pretty much be dumb boxes.
For myself, I can upgrade just my desktop PC, and move from a fully featured media centre PC to something like an intel NUC or even lower power Raspberry Pi (or newer alternatives).
Streaming can be huge, even with the latency issues etc.
I'm not gonna be playing competitive FPS from my couch, but racing games etc. would be great.
I had to moonwalk across my living room after reading this.
Are the only pc titles you own on Steam and steam alone?
Eh, I remember when I used to have only 65 games in my library. Good old days.
element
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The biggest unknown at this point if hardware support. Nvidia and AMD haven't been the greatest when it comes to driver support.
Also developer support will be important as well. Many developers aren't setup for Linux development currently and hopefully Crytek and Epic are improving their Linux support.
KojiKnight
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I'll be honest... I'm curious about this. I want to get away from windows, but previous exploits into linux land have always ended up badly (mostly due to graphics drivers issues). If the major video card manufacturers focus on steamOS and steamOS has the proprietary drivers built in natively and most of all, it all simply WORKS... I'd seriously consider running it. We'll see how it all goes down.
angular graphics
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Realize that a game that comes to SteamOS could also (most likely) run on normal Linux + Steam setups. Valve could be negotiating commitments in exchange for estimated players. If Valve can foster a Linux gaming scene, devs will follow.
ChronotriggerJM
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This is fantastic news. I don't want to be a part of the Windows ecosystem if I can avoid it. I absolutely love Linux, and this is a great way to get past windows upgrades. I'll definitely be tripple booting this. Steam OS seems like a great way to get rid of what little bloat Linux OS's have.
Well I imagined SteamOS as more or less a fork of Ubuntu tuned for gaming and I guess streaming.
And damn... Sony hinting at PC gaming too on the same day as this? Really hope they offer something other than streaming, because, like I said, I play on PC for fantastic image quality.
I really don't want to play the last of us at its native resolution with those textures on a 1440p monitor.
I really don't want to play the last of us at its native resolution with those textures on a 1440p monitor.
It all makes sense now. GABE has been hoarding tons of cash from Steam for this day, the day he starts the great coup against Windows. He will add sweet sweeteners for developers to come to the linux side and release their games. Tasty wads of cash. Oh yes i can sense it now.
Give them financial incentive via store royalty cuts. If a game has steam is support, valve only collects 20% of sales.
Probably the actual Steambox.
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The titles will be Steamplay.
You purchase a title once, and you can play it across Mac, Windows, Linux, Android, etc.
I think Valve is placing a rather large bet on Microsoft continuing down a path that consumers aren't happy with. This is Valve we're talking about here, so I'm sure that the product is going to be of high quality, but its long term success is going to be dictated by the degree that both developers and gamers are dissuaded from Windows by changes in the PC space. If developers don't have a reason to scale back on Windows, Valve will have to put in an extraordinary and inefficient amount of work to get the quality games that will draw consumers. They've already alluded to how much they've been working with hardware manufacturers and developers just to get to a starting point. It might not be sustainable in the long term. On the other hand, if Microsoft keeps up with what many people see as anti-consumer closed practices, it might just do the hardest part of Valve's job by making SteamOS an objectively easier and more profitable platform.
I don't see Microsoft backing down from the walled garden model any time soon, and I could see SteamOS being a good choice for both producers and consumers at some point. Just need to wait for Microsoft to overplay its hand sometime in the next few years.
I don't see Microsoft backing down from the walled garden model any time soon, and I could see SteamOS being a good choice for both producers and consumers at some point. Just need to wait for Microsoft to overplay its hand sometime in the next few years.
Man, triple AAA games, they must be some special stuff.
Though Sony and Valve seem to have similar approaches, and Sony is showing currently a bit more "openness" (F2P, indie self publishing, etc.) They still have completely opposite business models and philosophies. Sony is a gatekeeper of a walled garden. Valve wants to create a completely open platform with no barriers of entry to other developers/publishers or hardware companies. PS4 games streaming on a SteamBox would be more believable at this point as a thought exercise than the other way around because of these different policies.
KojiKnight
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Valve doesn't need to make games exclusive to bring people's attention to the system... just have a delayed windows release. Release HL3 on steamOS 1 month early (say it's to support "early adopters") or give steamOS owners a hefty discount over the windows release. Hell, do both... Steam OS will garner a huge early adopter audience.
Zeyphersan
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I'm only slightly interested. It wouldn't run the majority of my library, and if I have to keep my HTPC to stream games at the quality I want, I don't think I'm down to buy the Steambox at a price where I'm paying for all these internal components that I don't really want.
Unless they offer a streaming version for $100. That'd be tempting as shit. But if it's $400+, I don't see any advantage over my current PC. Maybe going forward sure, if they up compatibility, but a big strength of PC gaming is backwards compatibility
Unless they offer a streaming version for $100. That'd be tempting as shit. But if it's $400+, I don't see any advantage over my current PC. Maybe going forward sure, if they up compatibility, but a big strength of PC gaming is backwards compatibility
If Valve brought Half Life 3 to SteamOS and released it a month early, you can bet that millions would give SteamOS a shot just to play that game early.
ChronotriggerJM
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With Valves connections to AMD and Nvidia, what are the chances for fully overhauled driver support on a gaming based linux variant? I've love if AMD cards could get better performance on Linux.
There is also going to be a third party application replacement of things like RivaTuner, Fraps, streaming software, voice chat, that might be windows only at this time.
Stop man. You're about to make my heart burst.
Well... I would buy all the games released on the OS. I'm saying that bigger companies would offer games that run only in Windows so I would still have to purchase the Windows copy if I wanted to play it. But if they offered it on the OS also? Good bye Windows. I'm pretty sure all lower budget companies will jump on Steam OS like it was going out of style.
Streaming version will be set at $100.
hydrophilic attack
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That's cool. Could shake the OS market up a liitle.
Syphon Filter
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The last thing we need is even more split places to get games from. It won't have exclusives alienating all the windows users.
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