How can Microsoft win back your heart for XB1?

Again, there really wasn't horrible about the DRM policies. It's only been inflated to seem that way after the fact.

Realistically, especially since the "horrible" DRM policies were removed, the price is the absolute and only real problem. People can say otherwise, that it's a multitude of things, but unless you're a GAF'er, wont care about the other stuff come release day. Removing the kinect isn't the answer, but they do need to drop the price somehow.

There was a lot wrong with the DRM and you can say that nobody but GAF cares about the anything else but I don't think that's true at all. Even their reversal was annoying though, they could have kept things like game sharing for digital games and pleased everybody but instead they took that away as well and tried to blame consumers for that too turning this argument even more silly.
 
wtf is this....

1. This is already available.
2. This feature did not exist once the game was installed on your machine the disc could not be installed on any other machine.
3. that wasn't real, as far as we know it was a 60 minute limit.

BTW it was stopping people privately buying/selling used games, the discs had to be re-activated "at participating retailers" The games could not be lent physically at all, the disc was useless. You need to take another look at the DRM. I thought GAF was past this amount of uninformed FUD.
This part was never confirmed. The only thing that went into detail on this was the paste bin post. If Valve can establish a similar form of sharing, I'm willing to guess that MS with much greater resources could have accomplished similar.
 
I've already consigned it to end of generation bargain bin purchase, alongside all the good exclusives on the cheap.

In a way, I owe them (and Nintendo) a favor for setting me free from buying all three consoles this gen!
 
This part was never confirmed. The only thing that went into detail on this was the paste bin post. If Valve can establish a similar form of sharing, I'm willing to guess that MS with much greater resources could have accomplished similar.
It was confirmed by cboat, dont need to resort to Pastebins.
 
It's kinda like when a chick's trap smells like death, ya know? Even though she might be down, I'm not taking the risk of going down there again. How I feel about Xbox.
 
* Sell the console for less than the PS4
* Stop trying to force Kinect on consumers that aren't interested in it
* Drop the price of Gold and remove arbitrary dickish requirements like needing it for Netflix
* Make a Halo game that is excellent, worthy to stand closer to Bungie's games (Halo 4 is the least best by far)
* Stop lying to people and taking advantage of your fans
 
I honestly (and unfortunately) can't go back.

I've been a Microsoft-only gamer since the first Xbox (yeah, bring the "Xbox One" pun) and it's hard to let it go from now on, but that's what's gonna have to be.

Even after all the dust has settled, I just can't let they slip away with everything they did and said. I can't forget how disconnected Mattrick (he left, I know, but he was part of the vision) and the team were and how disappointed I was with a business move so silly I don't even know where to start. And to be honest, the word "disconnected" is more an euphemism for "disrespectful". The reasons why they wanted to adopt so many controversial features and stick to them while trying to fight overall skepticism and negative feedback (and then just giving up) are all beyond me.

They turned back in the end, but that was solely because of the backlash. Had we not been active (and GAF was a lot responsible for this - another reason I really like this forum) enough to complain about it, they would be really happy about it.

It was really sad to see a small and dedicated team create an amazing system - I still believe the first Xbox was the best system I ever had - build a strong user base and just blow it all (or a good part of it) away, me included. The PS4 will be my first Sony console, but I'm actually happy to be valuing my own consumer opinion above everything.

Imo, disconnected would have been sticking with said policies until launch, they didn't.
 
$300 with Kinect....
Looks like the main pulls here are price and kinect.

In Australia, the xbox is only $50 more than the ps4 so given that its bundled with kinect, and more recently fifa (not a fan but free games are free games) price is a non issue.

Kinect needs to stay. Hate it or love it, the fact every console has one means devs are more likely to spend the time needed to fully utilize the tech this time round.

Also, given the backlash on gaf recently about the lack of indie games this year on the xbox, im interested to see what kinect can do with so many people dabbling in the id@xbox program.

So, im happy to pay the extra $50 to see where devs go with this tech.
 
Good video games, which is unlikely for me given the exclusives the 360 had.

Oh, and making XBLG free, 'cause there's no way I'm paying for that and PS+ as well.
 
I honestly (and unfortunately) can't go back.

I've been a Microsoft-only gamer since the first Xbox (yeah, bring the "Xbox One" pun) and it's hard to let it go from now on, but that's what's gonna have to be.

Even after all the dust has settled, I just can't let they slip away with everything they did and said. I can't forget how disconnected Mattrick (he left, I know, but he was part of the vision) and the team were and how disappointed I was with a business move so silly I don't even know where to start. And to be honest, the word "disconnected" is more an euphemism for "disrespectful". The reasons why they wanted to adopt so many controversial features and stick to them while trying to fight overall skepticism and negative feedback (and then just giving up) are all beyond me.

They turned back in the end, but that was solely because of the backlash. Had we not been active (and GAF was a lot responsible for this - another reason I really like this forum) enough to complain about it, they would be really happy about it.

It was really sad to see a small and dedicated team create an amazing system - I still believe the first Xbox was the best system I ever had - build a strong user base and just blow it all (or a good part of it) away, me included. The PS4 will be my first Sony console, but I'm actually happy to be valuing my own consumer opinion above everything.

Damn. This is a pretty telling account of what (I feel) most educated 'xbox-only' gamers are struggling with these days.
 
Be honest with us,


Gamers were not first on the agenda,

Kinect isn't just a gaming device,

I know this is never going to happen but tbh I really feel let down by MS a a loyal customer, all they had to do was more of the same but better ie; on par with the competition not out right shaft us. I loved my time on 360 but just all the BS since the reveal event doesn't bode we'll for me.
 
There was a lot wrong with the DRM and you can say that nobody but GAF cares about the anything else but I don't think that's true at all. Even their reversal was annoying though, they could have kept things like game sharing for digital games and pleased everybody but instead they took that away as well and tried to blame consumers for that too turning this argument even more silly.
Seriously, the only limitations with the DRM policy was that you could only loan out a game one time to a friend (which could be negated by the family plan) and the 24 hour check in. There were no other limitations. You sell games no problem, you could buy used. Everything that sounded like extra limitations was just hearsay from other outlets. Not to mention, none of these policies were ever given the chance to flesh themselves out because people immediately started to cry foul the moment they heard "Check ins"

Listen, I 100% agree that MS needed to be kicked to the curb for a lot of things. Putting apps behind a subscription law is absolutely stupid. The points system was stupid. Ballmer is an abomination to the company. But the DRM policies were good and right for a complete digital future which is, I'm sorry, completely unstoppable. Might as well wade through the crap of it now rather than put it off later.
 
It is, and has always been about the games. Getting a PS4, and if Xbone ends up having a bunch of "must play" exclusives, I'll eventually get one.
 
The only thing that still nags at me: online first time requirement. It just feels wrong to accept that, even though I know it would basically never be an actual problem for me. Hopefully that'll get revoked eventually. But who knows. Getting rid of it would clash with their philosophy, but keeping it clashes with mine. I'll probably just get over myself and buy One anyway at some point.

Then there are smaller things. They aren't deal breakers, but they're enough to make me get a PS4 first this year, and get a One whenever I can afford it.

Many (most?) One games seem to be built around the plan of always being online. I don't like the integration to start with, but they take it to the point where a lot of those require the connection for 'the infinite power of the cloud'. No thanks. Plus, features could easily end up locked behind a paywall in a variety of 'online-only' games, who knows.

There's the whole idea of Microsoft patching in their original vision. They've said over and over that the original plan for X1 is still what they'd like to move towards (or something similar to that effect). Obviously I can avoid it by keeping my system offline, but what about when games come out that require latest firmware? I can just not play new X1 games after a certain point I guess. But man, what a gimped experience that would be.

The price. Being a hundred bucks over the competitor doesn't help, but it's not even the big thing for me. I just can't afford to get two new consoles, and buy a new TV (so these crazy new-fangled gadgets will even work), and buy games, and buy Christmas presents this year all in addition to living expenses. It just isn't going to work out. MS has already given me a loud, clear message that they hate the things I love. They have no interest in appealing to someone stuck in the past. It all ends up making the X1 an easy cut for now.

The games. Can't fault them too much, seeing that Sony looks to have the same issue, and Nintendo did last year too. But it really doesn't help them in my eyes to have nothing enticing in the line up. The couple of games that do look pretty cool to me (Killer Instinct mainly, Crimson Dragon some) are relegated to DD anyway (which just personally isn't for me. Nothing all that wrong with it, I just don't like it). Forza maybe is the only thing I would really get, but there are already 3 or 4 Forzas for 360 I haven't played.

I keep making comparisons to PS4. I hope I'm not over doing that. When I think of "winning back" consumers though, for now my mind goes immediately to this holiday. I guess it doesn't really matter any more which one does better, since they'll get the same third party games either way. There's definitely a competition factor that will be at play, but I'm not sure how much it will even matter in the face of launch/holiday sellouts. But I'm not really looking at PS4 as some gold standard or any kind of perfection, just a system that hasn't made itself nearly irrelevant to me. I'm not really hyped about it, it just seems like the choice to make.

To answer the question - totally move away from the online focus. Make it like the past 7 generations, where almost every game has some form of offline. Try to push split screen in games that have multiplayer. Stop charging for Gold. Make Kinect optional and cut 100 off the price. Help facilitate smaller games (hopefully all first party games) getting retail releases (in particular put KI in a box). Make more games that are appealing to me (though I don't even know how I'd put that more specifically). And actually, I'm sure that last one will happen in time. (I know some/most of these are super unrealistic and financially terrible ideas)

Ugh, that ended up long winded. This is probably one of those posts I should have typed out, then hit my browser's back button before submitting. Ah well. Topic asked about winning me back, and I gave my ridiculous opinions (with a bit of venting).

TL;DR - Nothing much they can do to win me back fully, because I don't like the basis of their forward-thinking vision. However, I'll probably bend and pick up an X1 cheap after a couple years, or sooner depending on games.
 
games....games... games... and a cheaper price.

i have the day one edition on preorder, but i might just sell it off instead of keeping it since there's nothing i want at launch. i just wanted it for titanfall
 
It was confirmed by cboat, dont need to resort to Pastebins.
Cboat's post was 60sigh or something of the sort. I'm sorry but I don't take that as confirmation especially as it flies in the face of every statement made about family planning by MS execs when questioned about the issue. I know people are skeptical about MS and their intentions (and they deserve the right to be), but one thing they haven't done through this DRM gate is straight up lie. If there was any confusion as a result of wrong statements made by their executives, a press release on Xbox Wire or statement has been given to one of the major gaming outlets.
 
Nothing at this point in time, although ditching the Gold fee for apps would be a nice gesture.

Kinect and its usefulness for ads gives me pause. I want to take a nice wait and see approach.
 
-Price cut (Cheapet than $400 with or without Kinect)
-Proof the dashboard isn't covered in ads 6 months from launch.
-If I'm forced to buy a bundled Kinect, proof it's meaningful beyond voice commands and face recognition.
-Meaningful exclusives that aren't racing games or standardized shooters.
-Good reasons to pay for Gold.

I can get beyond all the mistakes, PR blunders, and the lack of respect for consumers if MS makes a system worth playing at the right price. (And they don't show any signs of getting back to their pre-180 ways.)
 
All they have to do is put out unique experiences. Having exclusives isn't enough because some exclusives aren't unique. Like Halo, it's a shooter and I'm tired of the FPS by the books that they seem to want to keep making, so it's not unique. Conveniently enough, by the time it's worth owning, it'll also be a lot cheaper.
 
Nothing.

I was going to buy all consoles this gen but I will be skipping Microsoft again.

I might reach back and get a 360 on the cheap to play some exclusives I missed.
 
keep releasing the games i want to play.

court promising developers ala bungie in the xbox days.

bring back rallisport and gotham. especially rallisport.

some 3d platformers would be nice too.
 
I would need a larger variety of games, not more shooters or games I can get somewhere else. Develop new IPs.

However I am planning on getting a XB1, just not first.
 
I'm getting a PS4 either way. But it'll be pretty hard to convince me to get a One any time soon. Microsoft's first part output has looked uninteresting to me for years, I'm not paying for two online services, and I'm not fully confident that Microsoft won't try and find another way to implement some of the things they were originally looking to do with the One.

I'll keep tabs on the One and see what it does in the next couple years, but Microsoft will really have to turn things around to get me interested again.
 
oculus rift, or something similar, coupled with kinect would (will?) be awesome
 
Nothing really. I've owned an Xbox and an Xbox 360, and I think I've had enough of being limited due to online paywall and a general lack of genre variety. I'm tired of shooters. I do like the Kinect though, and I hope they find success in it for mainstream core games.
 
They already did. They have awesome exclusives, Sony have just nothing. I play video games for the games, not for "oh I have the most powerful machine", and the games are on X1 for now.

When games will come on PS4, I'll buy one.
 
3. Family sharing would let you have 10 people that could access your full library of games. That also means that if you had an xbox one, I could just go to your house, digitally transfer my account, and play the games there at your house. Not to mention, my brother 5 states away could play my games as well as 9 other people across the nation. And even better, I get to play their games as well. That sounds great to me.

I love how this is still out there like it is 100% confirmed to be the most amazing thing ever, yet details were never released.
 
Practically speaking, there's nothing they can do between now and launch to change my plans. At this point it's more a matter of working toward making their platform attractive down the road. Or go back in time and address one of the same opportunities that would make a difference in the future:

  • Unique titles that appeal more to me: something in the platformer, third-person action/adventure, or role playing genres. Hopefully these will come with time.
  • Bring back DRM-locked purchases and convince publishers to sell AAA content for $30-40 with no possibility of resale. That would have been a game-changer.
 
At the time of the PS4 reveal I was a 360 player & I was like " Damn shit looks good, Ok MS you got 3 months whatever your roadmap to at least equal that & I'll buy there & then!"

What followed was pure disbelief, how can they having seen what the competition was doing 1, not feel threatened & 2, not at least be on par. Oh then there's 3, totally try & fuck us all outta the ball park!.

Some say they have the roadmap but given the 180's following E3( why weren't there 180's before?) they had the time & still choose to play it as they did. Seriously I don't think they deserve my custom, not yet anyway.
 
What is making everyone write off the XB1? The used games thing that they went back on?

That didn't really bother me as much as it seems to have bothered a lot of other people. I'd just be willing to pay around 10-20 dollars less for new games like on Steam. The higher price point? I can understand not buying it, but I still don't understand how that can make someone angry and spiteful enough to write off Microsoft for a whole console generation.
 
I'm buying a XBO because I'm moving with my profile and my closests friends.

However, being realistic, I expect hardware advantages to be predominant between 2 or 3 years broadering PS4 user base. MS can't compete with hardware and will take some time to build a strong lineup of first party studios so my bet is that they will need to focus on services.

I think, to remiang relevant in the market they will need to focus on services, making XBL similar to Steam with great discounts and eventually eliminating the reatil market as was originally conceived. Cheap games makes people trust in the digital market more than giving free games because in the first one you decide that the value of your money is in the game, in the second you value the service (sure they will still need to pull out a strong value to XBL with free games). For that they will need a strong management to pull out agreements with publishers and developers.
 
What is making everyone write off the XB1? The used games thing that they went back on?

That didn't really bother me as much as it seems to have bothered a lot of other people. I'd just be willing to pay around 10-20 dollars less for new games like on Steam. The higher price point? I can understand not buying it, but I still don't understand how that can make someone angry and spiteful enough to write off Microsoft for a whole console generation.

Did you read any of the thread?

The vast majority of responses involve the price, the power, Kinect, and their previous draconian DRM policies.
 
Question for GAF:

Are you buying a PS4 over a Xbone just because it has better hardware according to tech specs? Do you always buy a console based on raw specs? Do you scoff at Nintendo's attempts to produce a console and you can't seem to comprehend why anyone would use a handheld gaming device? Seriously how is 'desirable' is power to you?
 
Microsoft never had mine, Sony's launch in February as well as a great track-record of exclusives sold me and made it the one next gen console I'm getting
 
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