Pasta row in Italy after Barilla's president anti-gay remarks

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I think people are hypocrites. They are quick to boycott this brand but turn a blind on everything else. A lot CEOs have questionable beliefs and many companies are involved in unethical practices. So there ate a lot of products that deserve to be boycotted.

On one hand, it's not practical for people to simultaneously oppose every negative thing in the world.

On the other, it's probably true people tend to create an explosive display of outrage when a particular bad thing is brought to light even though they're probably already supporting X number of people or companies that are doing the same thing.
 
Boycotting a product because you disagree with the CEO's opinion on a tangential matter? Jeez. Of course you're free to do so, doesn't make it any less stupid though.
 
Okay. And we're just saying our views. What's the problem?



So it has to be everything or nothing?

To me, boycotting one brand with a bad CEO is better than boycotting no brands with a bad CEO.

Well I think there are companies out there that are more deserving of a boycott like Nestle or De Beers. This in the grand schemes of things isn't that big of a deal. He isn't hurting anybody directly with his comments since he has no political power, he's simply stating his beliefs.
 
Putting a dent in the company's revenue is one of the few ways people can discourage the owner's statements. Subsequently, voicing that opinion becomes less acceptable from a business perspective and (hopefully, eventually) a social perspective. It isn't the "thought police". It isn't because people should have "thicker skin". It encourages progress in a more tolerant direction.

Boycotting his products is intimidation and is not going to make him tolerant. On top of that thousands of employee's could suffer in an already shitty financial environment they're in already in Italy.

Is he a homophobe? Probably. Should his views mean employees counting on Barilla as a company to remain open for their living be affected? Absolutely not...

Boycotts like this are reactionary and not worthwhile supporting because there are bigger things to worry about than one man's views.
 
Well, considering gay marriage isn't allowed in Italy, you could actually say the guy is rather progressive given his cultural environment, at least in that regard. No, I don't agree with his views (especially the rather antiquated gender role-model), but they're really not that extraordinary.

The point is, should you single out people for holding views that are quite usual in their country/culture/whatever? Note that this is not cultural relativism, because I do think you should criticise the culture for holding bigoted beliefs; however, singling out people only makes sense when they're outside the norm. That would be the case if the guy in question would say something like "homosexuality is a sin", but he doesn't. Note, too, that I don't actually want to crack down on Italy, because the idea that gay couples shouldn't adopt kids is rather widespread, I think. Wrong, yes, but widespread.

You could argue that everyone isn't a slave of his or her culture and you are perfectly able to think for yourself whether certain values of this culture are actually good ones. That's right, but you can't just ignore the surroundings you grew up in altogether. Just take a look at every discussion on GAF between Europeans and Americans on such things as guns or capital punishment. I'd certainly raise an eyebrow or two if I encountered a European speaking in favour of capital punishment, whereas an American doing the same is much less unusual.
 
If that's what the guy thinks he's entitled to his opinion, however little you like it. What you're describing is a world where companies that employ a lot of people can be freely intimidated with boycotts because someone voiced an opinion that people disagree with.

Threatening people into not saying things you disagree with basically.

That's not how you make a more tolerant world.

It may not be, but letting people hold bigoted/misogynistic views without challenge ain't done shit so far. And yes, people can organise and hurt companies. Welcome to living in a society. No company is entitled to anyones business.

Boycotting his products is intimidation and is not going to make him tolerant. On top of that thousands of employee's could suffer in an already shitty financial environment they're in already in Italy.

Is he a homophobe? Probably. Should his views mean employees counting on Barilla as a company to remain open for their living be affected? Absolutely not...

Boycotts like this are reactionary and not worthwhile supporting because there are bigger things to worry about than one man's views.

So people should just continue to give the bigots money, because the economy. Nice.
 
It may not be, but letting people hold bigoted/misogynistic views without challenge ain't done shit so far. And yes, people can organise and hurt companies. Welcome to living in a society. No company is entitled to anyones business.



So people should just continue to give the bigots money, because the economy. Nice.

So "agree with us or suffer the consequences" is the attitude then?

Just so we're clear.
 
I think people are hypocrites. They are quick to boycott this brand but turn a blind on everything else. A lot CEOs have questionable beliefs and many companies are involved in unethical practices. So there ate a lot of products that deserve to be boycotted.

Some people feel far stronger about some injustices than others, based on their lives and past experiences that shape their values. It's called "being human".

Being physically incapable of being involved in literally every activist boycott doesn't make anyone a "hypocrite", nor does it mean nobody should be allowed to boycott anything. This isn't "all or nothing".
 
Saw this on Facebook last night accompanied by many boycott type responses. Will be interesting to see what the fall out is.

Yeah, but they stopped donating to the anti gay organization. So it had some effect.

There were conflicting reports about that. I haven't had any Chick-Fil-A since July 2012. There is a relative lack of food options near where I work but there are two CFAs.. it's by far my favorite fast food chain taste wise, so it's hard to continue to avoid eating there. :(
 
Who cares about his views?

What has his views got to do with products? If he was using barilla profits for anti-homosexual causes sure boycott that stuff but because he holds certain views?

You guys need thicker skin...

You gays need to just suck it up when someone thinks you are less human and wants to prevent you from marrying or having kids.

You blacks and jews also have problems.

Haha
 
His remarks aren't even in the same ballpark as Chick-Fil-A actively funding anti-gay movements. This shit is so petty that the number of boycotters and homophobes who'll make it a point to buy Barilla will cancel each other out. Reasonable people will continue to buy De Cecco anyway.
 
This is a perfect example as to why you should keep certain things to yourself. Dude sounds like a total asshole. Fuck him.

In other news, by sheer coincidence, I'm gonna be using Barilla penne for dinner tonight, lol
 
Literally any other store sold dry pasta? I mean, fresh pasta or making your own is ideal, but if you're buying dry it really isn't a big deal.

I feel like I'm missing out... I've only made home made sauce once.. never home made pasta. =S

Too much effort, and I don't have the stuff to make spaghetti / pasta.
 
Literally any other store sold dry pasta? I mean, fresh pasta or making your own is ideal, but if you're buying dry it really isn't a big deal.

Yep, you'd be hard pressed to find a dry pasta that's really bad compared to everything else, a lot of it is the same shit, really. Barilla's prez better hope that people who are offended by this don't realize that.
 
I'll miss the Pan di Stelle

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Don't know if you guys have Mulino Bianco products, but they're Barilla as well.
The COOP's "pan di stelle" rip-offs are just as good anyway:

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A bit more sugary though.

Boycotting his products is intimidation and is not going to make him tolerant. On top of that thousands of employee's could suffer in an already shitty financial environment they're in already in Italy.

Is he a homophobe? Probably. Should his views mean employees counting on Barilla as a company to remain open for their living be affected? Absolutely not...

Boycotts like this are reactionary and not worthwhile supporting because there are bigger things to worry about than one man's views.

When you buy Barilla's stuff, you're implicitly avoiding other brand's products, brands that also have employees.
As long as you continue to buy products, just from another brand, i don't see the big deal.
People not at Barilla need to work, too!
 
Didn't realize Barilla was like an actual name brand. I always buy it just because it's decently priced and I prefer the box over plastic. I think it's fine for him to feel that way but really stupid for him to put voice to it.


Lol very clever but kind of a half gesture as two pennes? pennie? Whatever aren't exactly going all in and completely rejecting the message Barilla was sending in regards to ads.

Edit;nvm just watched the Youtube video at the link.
 
So he won't show gay families in Barilla ads? That's no different than most other companies, it's just that he made the mistake of being honest about it.

The only network where i've ever seen ads featuring gay couples was on MTV -- I can't remember what they were for.
 
So he won't show gay families in Barilla ads? That's no different than most other companies, it's just that he made the mistake of being honest about it.

The only network where i've ever seen ads featuring gay couples was on MTV -- I can't remember what they were for.

I don't think it's that common for advertisers and corporations to leave the gay segment out of their marketing approach. Even Budweiser has ads in gay magazines.
 
He publicily excused for his remarks:

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/201...imparare-sullevolversi-della-famiglia/726300/

"i have a lot to learn about the evolution of families. To every person or family that felt offended, i honestly say i'm sorry for what i've said"

I'm happy that he played it cool, he was getting way too stupid and political backlash.

Oh damn, another victim of the liberal media's persecution against those poor rich sexist shithead! The political correctness of this society knows no boundaries.
 
They should focus on the product more and less on social issues. I have noticed over the last year IMO their sauce isn't as good as it used to be.
 
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