US Federal Government Shutdown | Shutdown Shutdown, Debt Ceiling Raised

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Ataraxia said:
And so it begins:

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What is this from?
 
Fire Congress, hire nutless monkeys.

Nutless monkeys will do a better job.

The fate of so many people in the hands of a few hundred petulant crybabies. Fuck politics.
 
They should have shut down police and law enforcement first. Any bets how long the shut down would last in such case? My bet is 1 day at most.
 
Just read the washingtonpost link that was posted earlier and this is bigger than I thought. I was too young to know anything about the 95-96 shutdown. It's pretty crazy that this could go on for more than a week. The piece did a good job of explaining this in a way that a layman could understand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-about-how-the-government-shutdown-will-work/
slit said:
He's not in a state.
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This is what happens when I don't get my morning coffee lol.

Still gonna stick with tea today though. Expect many more errors.
 
FlashFlooder said:
Not trying to single you out specifically, but why does everyone praise Reagan so much? To me, it seems like he's the one that put the GOP on this dark path they're currently following. Mainly, the focus (obsession?) on social issues. I think it has totally ruined the modern republican party.
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Republicans praise him because... They have no one else.

huacst21 said:
The Tea Party
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The entire Republican party is on the hook for this, since they have no balls to keep Teabaggers in line.
 
What was the impetus to the Tea Party in the USA in recent years? I.E Why did they become a force so quickly?
 
marrec said:
Very basically, the Tea Party Caucus doesn't remember the shutdown of 1995 and the repercussions that followed from that. The Republicans control the House of Representatives (where budget proposals originate) and the Democrats control the Senate. Adding to this, the Tea Party has an improbable strangle hold on the House of Representatives because every Republican in the House is terrified of being Primaried by what they presume is a large national movement toward the right.

So, with all this, you have one congressional body that's being held hostage by the political equivalent of the Beverly Hillbillies, and the other congressional body that can only look on in horror.

The budget has to be agreed on by both congressional houses, but as long as the one that originates the budget is being controlled by the Tea Party (remember, they are actually a minority of Republicans in the House, out of 233 GOP members, only 49 are Tea Party) we will continue to kick these cans down the road.
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So is the number of gop representatives that needs to fear a tea party stealing his spot in congress in the primaries that big then? Is america really that polarised, that most republican reps would fear losing in the primary election more than he fears losing to a democrat in the actual election?
 
Arksy said:
What was the impetus to the Tea Party in the USA in recent years? I.E Why did they become a force so quickly?
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Neo-conservatives were pretty much shitting on themselves constantly, and the Tea Party was a way for libertarian conservative to voice their opinions. Then, the Tea Party got famous, and got filled with the same neo-conservatives who were shitting all over themselves, and you get the modern tea party movement

it's all about feces
 
jimi_dini said:
They should have shut down police and law enforcement first. Any bets how long the shut down would last in such case? My bet is 1 day at most.
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No, we don't need total chaos. But they should have stopped delivering Medicare checks. Even the tea party base would get the message (but wouldn't understand the irony).

Arksy said:
What was the impetus to the Tea Party in the USA in recent years? I.E Why did they become a force so quickly?
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They are the anti-Obama. Bush tanked the party and Obama's win subsequent Dem majority brought many racists, zealots and extreme conservatives out of the woodwork.
 
Arksy said:
What was the impetus to the Tea Party in the USA in recent years? I.E Why did they become a force so quickly?
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As for why they became a force so quickly?

Conservative rich people. They pumped millions of dollars into the political movement during and after the ACA was passed.
 
Arksy said:
What was the impetus to the Tea Party in the USA in recent years? I.E Why did they become a force so quickly?
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They're not really a force. Just loud and the media likes to cover the loudest and the dumbest.

In most districts where Republicans are safe, the only chance they have of getting unseated comes from within the party. So, that's where the tea party gets thier power, by exerting pressure on congressmen to do what they want or they might face a challenge in the next primary.

With primary elections having so few people participating, it increases the odds of some outsider coming in and 'stealing away' an election from these incumbents. So, they are more likely to cater to these loud folks just to cover all the bases. Most of it is lip service, some of it is not.
 
FlashFlooder said:
Not trying to single you out specifically, but why does everyone praise Reagan so much? To me, it seems like he's the one that put the GOP on this dark path they're currently following. Mainly, the focus (obsession?) on social issues. I think it has totally ruined the modern republican party.
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Reagan is pretty much deified by Republicans and it involves a lot of historical revisionism.
 
I wonder if they'll have their shit together to avoid a default in a few weeks. I sense a late night, last minute deal to save everything for about 3 months before we go through this all over again.
 
jorma said:
So is the number of gop representatives that needs to fear a tea party stealing his spot in congress in the primaries that big then? Is america really that polarised, that most republican reps would fear losing in the primary election more than he fears losing to a democrat in the actual election?
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Most congressional Republicans don't have the kind of money required to fight a Tea Party primary.
 
Looks like markets have decided the current debate woes are already priced in.

The question is, what happens if we approach the debt ceiling deadline without having even resolved this impasse?
 
I blame the Democrats for stonewalling because they need to make sure that equality for the ACA isn't available for the little guy while catering to big business and their own congress. "We won't sign shit that allows the same laws to apply to the little people!"

I blame the Republicans for not coming to the table to compromise at the start of this crap legislature during its creation and now are whining cry-babies.

Both sides are fucking idiots. Thanks, Oba... Government.
 
TxdoHawk said:
Looks like markets have decided the current debate woes are already priced in.

The question is, what happens if we approach the debt ceiling deadline without having even resolved this impasse?
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If this doesn't get resolved by that time, Democrats might give in if the debt ceiling isn't raised.
 
huacst21 said:
If this doesn't get resolved by that time, Democrats might give in if the debt ceiling isn't raised.
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Doubt it! That would completely destroy any leverage the Dems have on anything going forward. Also, Wall Street will probably rein in the GOP leadership before that happens.
 
Jack_AG said:
I blame the Democrats for stonewalling because they need to make sure that equality for the ACA isn't available for the little guy while catering to big business and their own congress. "We won't sign shit that allows the same laws to apply to the little people!"

I blame the Republicans for not coming to the table to compromise at the start of this crap legislature during its creation and now are whining cry-babies.

Both sides are fucking idiots. Thanks, Oba... Government.
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Yep, the politicians we elect act like children.
 
I fail to see why I should care if the federal government is shut down. State and local governments are still up, and they are the important ones really.
 
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