wsoxfan1214
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Didn't even need to read past the title to see the stereotyping of all cops based of a couple. Then come into the topic and see everyone doing it. So edgy.
Impressive.
Impressive.
First person video of cops being racist pigs.
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Mauricio_Magus
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Fucking Disgusting, I heard most of it and those cops need to be fired.
Video makes me sick.
My friends brother was a white cop and saw almost exactly this shit going down, pulled the dickhead officer aside and apologised to the black guy being unfairly harassed. For doing this he went from being one of the most popular guys in the station to being sidelined from promotions and constantly bullied. He quit within a year and is currently a shelf stacker at Walmart, says he wouldn't do anything differently because he knows what was going down wasn't right. I have so much respect for him.
My friends brother was a white cop and saw almost exactly this shit going down, pulled the dickhead officer aside and apologised to the black guy being unfairly harassed. For doing this he went from being one of the most popular guys in the station to being sidelined from promotions and constantly bullied. He quit within a year and is currently a shelf stacker at Walmart, says he wouldn't do anything differently because he knows what was going down wasn't right. I have so much respect for him.
Devolution
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Fucking Blue Code of Silence.
Got it in one. He didn't even report the offending officer, just gave him a 'WTF are you doing' 10 second chat. Sucks.
thanks for the link, restored some faith in humanity. They really should make cameras on cops standard issued.
Still, you can't deny that this kind of case is waaaay more uncommon than the opposite (blue shield). Also i never said all cops are bad or cowards, just the majority of them.
it seems you agree on calling cops who behave according to omertá cowards and complicit in their colleagues crimes, or did i get that wrong?
ok dude, just keep talking to the strawman. It's not like there's even the slightest speck of truth in our allegations.
Of course people saying that all cops are bad are wrong. pretty much any generalized judgement of value made about a large group of people is bound to be proven wrong by examples to the contrary.
But let me ask you two questions:
1) is there not a problem with omertá in the american police force?
2) Is it forgivable for "good, hard-working police-officers" to look the other way when the "bad apples" abuse their power to ruin or end the lives of innocents?
The whole situation is sad. Patrol cops aren't the problem themselves, it's their bosses, and their bosses' bosses. The problem is ultimately systemic, city police departments relying on pointless drug arrest statistics to measure job effectiveness. The more arrests, the 'better', like it's a sport, with no regard paid to just how it effects the families and children with parents and kids in prison for non-violent offences. It dehumanizes everyone involved; entire neighborhoods are treated like warzones while cops are trapped playing the role of would-be soldiers.
There is no end game whatsoever. The drug trade can only continue since it is the only viable employer left in these towns - the real jobs left decades ago thanks to union busting and venture capitalism. The drug war is a cynical beat down of people whose only real crime is being poor with no future and having to do what they can to live day to day in the streets. Most don't respect the cops just as many cops don't respect who they are there to serve. The War on Drugs is ultimately unfair to the communities and the police.
There is no end game whatsoever. The drug trade can only continue since it is the only viable employer left in these towns - the real jobs left decades ago thanks to union busting and venture capitalism. The drug war is a cynical beat down of people whose only real crime is being poor with no future and having to do what they can to live day to day in the streets. Most don't respect the cops just as many cops don't respect who they are there to serve. The War on Drugs is ultimately unfair to the communities and the police.
There are blatantly obvious, statistically quantifiable, systemic problems with the police in the US.
Devolution
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The police and the FBI were known to harbor members of the KKK and other white supremacist groups so yeah, a few bad apples, is nowhere near true. Plus the ones that want to do their job right become complicit in a system where calling out another cop for bad behavior means all kinds of problems for themselves.
I often hear people say stuff like, "How does racism still exist these days?"
And your post is exactly why. Because people generalize like this. Your rationale is no better than somebody who has a few bad experiences with some black people and finds themselves thinking that the majority of black people are bad people afterwards.
I've said it quite a few times before on this board, but we really need to attack prejudicial thinking as a whole. Its difficult because our brains are basically wired to generalize like this, but that can be overcome. The problem is that prejudicial attitudes are treated as ok in some cases and not in others. So people get the idea that 'racism' is the type of prejudicial attitude they should avoid, while saying that the majority of cops are scum is something perfectly fine to think and say. Its not right and its not fair, but worst of all, it lends credence to prejudicial thinking in general.
Big Baybee
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The problem is that those few bad apples are constantly shielded and protected by the "good" cops.
Calling him a freeloader. He was seething with racial overtones.
It's not racist if you agree with the sentiment. Might be why some people don't see the racism.
computers putin'
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Agreed, silence = complicity as far as I'm concerned.
Blake'sGrave
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jesus christ, can we all finally agree to not trust the cops now?
HP_Wuvcraft
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I'm no longer surprised by the shit cops do.
I was just responding earlier because I felt you guys were going too hard on the guy who said
because it is true not all cops are like that, I just wanted to give an example of one who wasn't. Also I wouldn't call all cops cowards if they follow the code of silence. These are people too, it is hard to stand up for what you believe in. By doing the right thing and speaking up bad stuff will happen to them. If people want change it has to happen at the top, instead of getting pissed at all of the shitty cops, get angry at their bosses who reward them for acting in that way. If cops weren't incentivised to act like dicks, then a lot less of them would do so.
Undercover Opulent
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I barely make eye contact with cops. If I do, it's a smug face. I guess these guys were arrested for walking black.
I think you have a point but I also think there's a huge difference between how someone is born, and a career that a person chooses. When you say "black people are bad" you are saying that black people are inherently bad. When you say "cops are bad" it is understood as a systemic problem within a group of people who choose their circumstances.
As an example that I think lies somewhere between your race and your chosen profession: when people say something like "GAF'ers have too many girl issues" or whatever, it is understood by most people that they are not referring to every single GAF'er ever. You could be more technical and say "it appears to me from the threads that I've personally read during the time that I've been on GAF, that some, perhaps even an appreciable amount of GAF'ers have shown that they have had problems at one point or another in their lives with women, or with a particular woman", but I don't think that's necessary, I think everyone pretty much gets that you're not saying it is every single person who has ever posted on GAF, and that you're talking about a trend. Most people have at least enough social awareness for that.
Now when it comes to cops, some people seem to forget that social awareness when it doesn't happen in other threads. I'm guessing it's just because of how very frequently the GAF hivemind expresses it's distaste for the American police system, which breeds in many people a need for contrarianism.
I did say you have a point, and I do think that for people that are not as, let's say, "mentally astute" as GAF'ers (I just stereotyped GAF as being smart!), I think it's easier for that demographic to miss obvious implication or subtext. I also think there's a demographic of REALLY smart people who don't have a great social awareness or a great understanding of how people communicate, and might take statements like that too literally. Most people though, understand that when someone makes a generalization, that they mean to express a trend.
Vicetrailia
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Cop: "You don't know what we know"
The pinnacle of stupidity those cops, they're filth and there are far too many like them. As vile as the "bad guys" they are supposed to chase.
The pinnacle of stupidity those cops, they're filth and there are far too many like them. As vile as the "bad guys" they are supposed to chase.
Devolution
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And there it is.
NathanMcMahon
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took longer than I expected.
blitzcloud
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while we don't know the full story, there's no denying that the person being restrained was polite and just wanted to know what was happening, while the officer acted like a high-ground prick with a lot of racial based remarks.
what exact claim do you oppose:
-Is it not true that police brutality and misconduct in general are widespread and a significant problem for large sections of the population?
-Is it not true that police brutality and misconduct in general are punished only in a minority of all cases?
-is it not true that in order for crimes that only ever occur in the presence of police officers to be ignored a majority of times, a majority of police officers must be either ignoring, condoning, covering up or committing the crimes?
-is the ignoring, condoning, covering up or committing of crimes not something that should be considered "bad behavior"?
please, tell me if there's a lapse in my logic.
also shame on you for comparing this to racism. by the same reasoning you could equate hating on bankers, lobbyists or mercenaries to racial discrimination.
Red Liquorice
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That street looks like a warzone.
I think it goes beyond just pedantry, though. People here are outright saying that a majority of cops are bad people. That's pretty awful to me. Being a police officer is generally an honourable sort of job to have and to aspire to and I don't think its fair to generalize the entire group of people within the profession to be 'bad people'.
You listed some fairly harmless generalizations. We cant eliminate that sort of thinking completely as its a large part of how we learn, but we can be far more mindful of it when it comes to judging other human beings, I think. I've been guilty of doing this kind of thing before and I actively try and work on it.
I think you're kind of missing the point, which is that the same root line of reasoning is the same. I don't disagree that there's a problem within the police force on the issue. But condemning all or most of police officers for it is not the right response. There's a problem with violent gangs in the black community, but the appropriate response isn't to vilify black people in general, right? Generalizing like this accomplishes nothing but spreading ill will.
Also, to anyone who likes to take a cop's side of a story at face value over anyone else's, consider how easily this happened:
The guy with the phone is walking down the street with the guy who said hi to the alleged drug drealer, "hi" guy gets detained and phone guy starts walking away without saying a word.
The cop then says "You get back here, and put your phone away."
9 minutes later:
Cop: "You kept mouthing off instead of just leaving."
Phone guy: How did I keep mouthing off?! I tried to leave!"
Cop: "No you didn't."
Phone guy: "You said come back."
Cop: "Come back because you kept talking."
Phone: "I wasn't even talking!"
Cop: "You should've just left."
How easily the facts are distorted when reality isn't favorable. It's not like he even killed an innocent person or something, he was just losing a little argument and brought out the lies. Police need to be taped at all times when on duty for accountability considering how much potential for abuse of authority they have.
The guy with the phone is walking down the street with the guy who said hi to the alleged drug drealer, "hi" guy gets detained and phone guy starts walking away without saying a word.
The cop then says "You get back here, and put your phone away."
9 minutes later:
Cop: "You kept mouthing off instead of just leaving."
Phone guy: How did I keep mouthing off?! I tried to leave!"
Cop: "No you didn't."
Phone guy: "You said come back."
Cop: "Come back because you kept talking."
Phone: "I wasn't even talking!"
Cop: "You should've just left."
How easily the facts are distorted when reality isn't favorable. It's not like he even killed an innocent person or something, he was just losing a little argument and brought out the lies. Police need to be taped at all times when on duty for accountability considering how much potential for abuse of authority they have.
so... to you a job is just as irrelevant to a person's behavior as their skin color? So i guess if i said that "most mercenaries have no conscience", that would be the same as if i said that about an ethnic group?
Your analogy simply fails at "categories":
one thing is the result of a choice, one isn't the result of a choice.
can you guess what is what?
ElRenoRaven
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Holyshit. Listening to that recording makes me so angry. You can hear the hatred in everything these pieces of shit say. Telling the one not to come here. Just flat out screaming at them and calling them stupid and morons over and over. So fucking disgusting.
Smiles and Cries
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NEOGAF has a defense force for everything
Police need to be taped we do not have a perfect system but you can't blame people for getting angry at all cops because that is the system that gave these jackasses the power trip
Police need to be taped we do not have a perfect system but you can't blame people for getting angry at all cops because that is the system that gave these jackasses the power trip
I Stalk Alone
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it is a third world country.
soundahfekz
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Did you hit snooze a couple times? run out of coffee? Lose your keys?
We were expecting you to show up a while ago. I'm disappointed.
That is why video evidence is the greatest weapon we have in such cases. Without this video, this would have been a typical Good Cops overpowering evil thugs and dealers scenario and nobody would have believed otherwise. Reality can be easily distorted in favor of law enforcement.
I agree that taping the actions of the police is a powerful step forward. Basically, we need a system to police the police.
The simple truth.
Of course not every cop is a terrible racist pig. The problem is that the cops who aren't don't do a damn thing to curtail the cops who are. Most police departments run by a honor code among officers, which makes any of these assholes getting called out and disciplined all but impossible.
Sad thing is that it's true not all cops are bad. Most are actually kind, fair people. And the police departments in most cities actually spend a fair amount of time/resources on community outreach SPECIFICALLY to help dispel the "don't trust the police" mentality (and I know this is true of Philly). But all it takes is a few unchecked assholes to completely ruin that effort. The police really need to come down HARD on their own when they abuse their authority, but that rarely happens, and that's the problem. And it's not unfair to criticize the ENTIRE police force for it.
I'm all for cops being filmed while on duty.
That's not the point, that is just how people react to these situations...
but I understand a lot of folks probably don't know anything but YouTube and never had to worry walking down a street not knowing if you're at the wrong place/wrong skin tone near a bad cop.
When people react and say, awh shit cops are racist, they are not suggesting that every cop on earth hates negroes. However there are people that want to make it seem that way so they can flip the situation, distract the point.
I got it though, I see thru that shit.
PoweredBySoy
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I was fine with the first 5 minutes, but then it got pretty ugly..... Assholes.
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